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On November 09 2016 14:55 wuhan_clan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?
I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".
I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie. Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there. And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability. And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election. At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves. It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively. You got that right. More than ever, this election cycle was more about the candidate's character, rather than his or her policy (or lack thereof). I think Bernie would have favorable results vs Trump despite having his head stuck up his ass in socialist policies.
I wonder if Gary Johnson would have even run if Bernie was the candidate.
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Dude, that place was packed live at 10pm.
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On November 09 2016 14:57 On_Slaught wrote:
Holy shit just give it to him. I want to see this speech.
Yeah, I don't know why this is taking so long. This is over. Pennsylvania is his.
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On November 09 2016 14:51 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:50 Grettin wrote:On November 09 2016 14:49 xDaunt wrote:On November 09 2016 14:46 plasmidghost wrote:
Clinton News Network in flames Gloria is on the verge of tears. On November 09 2016 14:48 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 09 2016 14:46 plasmidghost wrote:
Clinton News Network in flames any online link to enjoy? www.cnn.comAll of the networks are streaming for free. CNN with the race talk.. Oh dear. Tears - the news channel.
Direct link please, my internet sucks
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On November 09 2016 14:56 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?
I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".
I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie. Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there. And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability. And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election. At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves. It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively. I mean third party voters won Trump Florida Arizona Michigan and Wisconson and more, so yeah its their fault. America is probably the only place on earth where it's the fault of the voters that someone doesn't get elected.
How so?
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On November 09 2016 14:59 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:51 zeo wrote:On November 09 2016 14:50 Grettin wrote:On November 09 2016 14:49 xDaunt wrote:On November 09 2016 14:46 plasmidghost wrote:
Clinton News Network in flames Gloria is on the verge of tears. On November 09 2016 14:48 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 09 2016 14:46 plasmidghost wrote:
Clinton News Network in flames any online link to enjoy? www.cnn.comAll of the networks are streaming for free. CNN with the race talk.. Oh dear. Tears - the news channel. Direct link please, my internet sucks
I'm watching on TV
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On November 09 2016 14:59 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?
I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".
I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie. Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there. And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability. And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election. At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves. It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively. I mean third party voters won Trump Florida Arizona Michigan and Wisconson and more, so yeah its their fault. America is probably the only place on earth where it's the fault of the voters that someone doesn't get elected. How so?
Hillary lost this just by being herself.
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On November 09 2016 14:59 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:57 On_Slaught wrote:
Holy shit just give it to him. I want to see this speech. Yeah, I don't know why this is taking so long. This is over. Pennsylvania is his.
Yeah, just waiting for them to call it so i can go bed.
Hillary lost this just by being herself.
Unsurprisingly. She's just not likable. She's not even a good droid, WALL-E would've kicked Trumps ass. Or Number Five.
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On November 09 2016 14:56 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 09 2016 14:49 wuhan_clan wrote:On November 09 2016 14:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Well, as it turns out, white people can't be marginalized politically in America quite yet.
I don't see what the big deal is, Trump's not gonna get re-elected. Neither would Hillary. And the United States of America is too large and strong and rich a country and a people to get completely wrekt by either of them. Most people are super dramatic about these kind of things. For the majority of the population, their day to day lives will not change at all. And yeah, this election sets up anyone to easily take the 2020 election. You know, I wonder how many times throughout history have said, "This won't really change anything", only to have their country/empire/whatever collapse as a consequence of who comes into power. I'm sure we can think of at least one example where this happened after a certain person/party gained power. It seems astoundingly ignorant for people to think "Oh, NBD, Trump won't get away with shit" when history have proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again that this is incredibly short-sighted. The only upside for me is that, since I'm white, male, and in the military, my way of life is pretty fucking safe with Republicans in charge unless Trump stays Trump and gets us into a stupid war and I get killed. Assuming I don't, I'm young enough to be around in 4 years and get some sweet "I told you so's" in when America tries to lift itself off of it's ass after its economy tanks again and we become an international laughingstock. Yeah. Tell me, how many democratic countries were that, and of those, how many were still a democracy after it. None? Well shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic
Too easy.
PS: you should feel safe as a soldier under republican lead. It's not like they ever, ever started wars.
I already mentioned this.
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On November 09 2016 14:58 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Serious question, since Trump is at odds with both Democrats and establishment Republicans: Will the Trump presidency help or harm the Republican party's image?
With the Republicans in charge of all three branches of government, I feel like things should work smoothly in theory for them if they had a President Cruz or Rubio, but Trump doesn't see eye-to-eye with the Republican party on plenty of issues. He's also volatile and thin-skinned, and there's very little chance that he'd be able to actually handle the presidency with any level of tact or diplomacy... or eloquence... or intelligence. With him as their leader, I wonder if the Republican party will go through an identity crisis. Like I said, the Republican party has been playing damage control since the day Trump became their nominee. Sticking close enough to associate with him, but ready to ditch him when things look bad. I expect that to be their MO for the next 4 years. The only question is whether the public buys their bullshit.
It's all lip service bullshit, I mean none of them really tried all that hard to go against Trump post-primary Most waited until the ship looked like it was sinking to really take a stand. Yeah Trump's probably not their 1st choice, but every single one of them probably values a Supreme Court Judge pick-up over the damage of a Trump presidency.
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On November 09 2016 14:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:49 wuhan_clan wrote:On November 09 2016 14:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Well, as it turns out, white people can't be marginalized politically in America quite yet.
I don't see what the big deal is, Trump's not gonna get re-elected. Neither would Hillary. And the United States of America is too large and strong and rich a country and a people to get completely wrekt by either of them. Most people are super dramatic about these kind of things. For the majority of the population, their day to day lives will not change at all. And yeah, this election sets up anyone to easily take the 2020 election. You know, I wonder how many times throughout history have said, "This won't really change anything", only to have their country/empire/whatever collapse as a consequence of who comes into power. I'm sure we can think of at least one example where this happened after a certain person/party gained power. It seems astoundingly ignorant for people to think "Oh, NBD, Trump won't get away with shit" when history have proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again that this is incredibly short-sighted. The only upside for me is that, since I'm white, male, and in the military, my way of life is pretty fucking safe with Republicans in charge unless Trump stays Trump and gets us into a stupid war and I get killed. Assuming I don't, I'm young enough to be around in 4 years and get some sweet "I told you so's" in when America tries to lift itself off of it's ass after its economy tanks again and we become an international laughingstock.
"Oh, I'm sure he will not start a war with Poland, and the stuff he says about the jews is just locker room talk, lol. At least he says it like it is, and he also cares for the working class. What can possibly go wrong?"
Seriously, I hope all the Trumpists here own up to the shit they did today, and when the stuff starts to go the wrong way (hopefully only the economy), they will not try to hide behind "we didn't know what we were getting into" because you knew you were going to elect a narcistic buffoon into the office with the most power and most access to WMD and the office most important to combat climate change. You did know and you are responsible for what is to come.
That said, I hope you, Stratos_speAr, stay save mate and don't get sent somewhere where you shouldn't be!
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So, what's the hold up? It's been at least an hour and Michigan isn't confirmed yet? Nothing on the other states too?
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Is it foolish of me to worry about the possibility that the Trump presidency in concert with a republican legislature and a republican SCOTUS could be able to sufficiently modify the electoral map (or do some other sketchy shit) in order to not have to lose elections again.
It seems to me like we're in a spot where clearly something went way wrong and the US cornered itself into electing one of two candidates that is hated by a large proportion of the electorate. At this point I have to assume that if his presidency is as obscene as his campaign, the Democrats just have to find some random schmuck with a minimum of credibility and they'll take it in 2020.
Surely we can't get 8 years of this fucking mistake.
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On November 09 2016 15:00 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:59 clickrush wrote:On November 09 2016 14:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?
I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".
I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie. Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there. And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability. And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election. At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves. It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively. I mean third party voters won Trump Florida Arizona Michigan and Wisconson and more, so yeah its their fault. America is probably the only place on earth where it's the fault of the voters that someone doesn't get elected. How so? Hillary lost this just by being herself.
That would have been an incredibly sexist and misogynist thing to say in this thread only 12 hours ago.
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On November 09 2016 14:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So they've already started the post-match blame-game lol
The blame game started when Republicans brought this to our country. Trump supporters aren't going to have much room to act surprised if Trump's presidency breaks as bad as we're worried about. All the signs were there.
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On November 09 2016 14:58 KwarK wrote:
I'm genuinely worried about the stability of the Iran deal. That was a really, really good deal and the most influential countries around the world put a lot of effort into making it happen. Do we think it's possible someone can explain that to Trump? Possibly Putin?
I think it will survive, but hey, if Obama got it passed as a treaty, it'd have a better shot!
I think they are going to be more concerned with domestic issues for a long time.
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On November 09 2016 14:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Serious question, since Trump is at odds with both Democrats and establishment Republicans: Will the Trump presidency help or harm the Republican party's image?
With the Republicans in charge of all three branches of government, I feel like things should work smoothly in theory for them if they had a President Cruz or Rubio, but Trump doesn't see eye-to-eye with the Republican party on plenty of issues. He's also volatile and thin-skinned, and there's very little chance that he'd be able to actually handle the presidency with any level of tact or diplomacy... or eloquence... or intelligence. With him as their leader, I wonder if the Republican party will go through an identity crisis.
Ugh. Trump brands himself as a "different" Republican from Bush et al, while offering Reaganomic solutions.
Then when Trump becomes hated, we'll get a "true" Republican like Paul Ryan... who will answer everything with Reaganomic solutions.
The GOP's identity crisis has never been more than skin-deep. Trump's Supreme Court list is perfectly Republican. His policies are perfectly Republican. The only thing different is the branding and marketing. Trump's only political differences with Bush et all will be a more strong-man approach to foreign-policy and immigration... and a weird thing with Russia that I pray to God ends with his campaign.
So, basically, it is just an identity crisis, and not a crisis of principles. It works to their favor. They can toss out the old (Bush) and elect a new identity that offers the same back-assward solutions.
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Well Godwin Law is in effect. Trump is pretty much an independent who ran on the Republican ticket so we'll see how this goes. At least LP got 4%+ in a lot of places so maybe they'll run someone better in 2020 and see if they can do better.
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On November 09 2016 15:02 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 14:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So they've already started the post-match blame-game lol The blame game started when Republicans brought this to our country. Trump supporters aren't going to have much room to act surprised if Trump's presidency breaks as bad as we're worried about. All the signs were there.
And when it doesn't?
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Democrats lost it on minorities and boy did they bank on minorities. Sorry, illegal immigration hurts unskilled labor that already immigrated in before tomorrow's millions sneaking across the border.
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