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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
November 09 2016 05:53 GMT
#121541
On November 09 2016 14:49 LegalLord wrote:
I was going to say that first thing the Hillary camp would do is blame Bernie voters for not getting behind her... but it seems I was late to the punch. It's already happening.

Seriously. Way more sanders supporters ended up going for her than I originally thought.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 05:54:41
November 09 2016 05:53 GMT
#121542
On November 09 2016 14:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Well, as it turns out, white people can't be marginalized politically in America quite yet.

I don't see what the big deal is, Trump's not gonna get re-elected. Neither would Hillary. And the United States of America is too large and strong and rich a country and a people to get completely wrekt by either of them.


Most people are super dramatic about these kind of things. For the majority of the population, their day to day lives will not change at all. And yeah, this election sets up anyone to easily take the 2020 election.


You know, I wonder how many times throughout history have said, "This won't really change anything", only to have their country/empire/whatever collapse as a consequence of who comes into power. I'm sure we can think of at least one example where this happened after a certain person/party gained power.

It seems astoundingly ignorant for people to think "Oh, NBD, Trump won't get away with shit" when history have proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again that this is incredibly short-sighted.

The only upside for me is that, since I'm white, male, and in the military, my way of life is pretty fucking safe with Republicans in charge unless Trump stays Trump and gets us into a stupid war and I get killed. Assuming I don't, I'm young enough to be around in 4 years and get some sweet "I told you so's" in when America tries to lift itself off of it's ass after its economy tanks again and we become an international laughingstock.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
November 09 2016 05:54 GMT
#121543
On November 09 2016 14:50 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:47 ChristianS wrote:
This was the last presidential election where a candidate could run on "fuck minorities" and still have enough white people around to win on it. 4 years from now this wouldn't be possible.


I fucking hope so.

Might not matter now. Pray to God Kwark is wrong about where Trump will take us.

Speaking of, I'll miss you Kwark. You were easily my favorite poster in the thread, and the only person who has ever described modern imperialism in a way i found remotely persuasive

90 days isn't so much, America just got sentenced to 1461. And anyway, I'm British. Grace in defeat, magnanimity in victory.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
November 09 2016 05:54 GMT
#121544
On November 09 2016 14:48 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Well, as it turns out, white people can't be marginalized politically in America quite yet.

I don't see what the big deal is, Trump's not gonna get re-elected. Neither would Hillary. And the United States of America is too large and strong and rich a country and a people to get completely wrekt by either of them.

T-t-trump won't get 5% of the vote in the primaries
T-t-trump might have over 5% but he wont win a single state
T-trump might have won a few states but he won't win the primaries
Trump is the Republican ticket now b-b-but he won't win the election

T-t-t-trump won't get reelected!

Sigh.


4 years in the White House is a bit different from 4 months of a general election campaign.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 09 2016 05:55 GMT
#121545
On November 09 2016 14:54 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:50 ChristianS wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:47 ChristianS wrote:
This was the last presidential election where a candidate could run on "fuck minorities" and still have enough white people around to win on it. 4 years from now this wouldn't be possible.


I fucking hope so.

Might not matter now. Pray to God Kwark is wrong about where Trump will take us.

Speaking of, I'll miss you Kwark. You were easily my favorite poster in the thread, and the only person who has ever described modern imperialism in a way i found remotely persuasive

90 days isn't so much, America just got sentenced to 1461. And anyway, I'm British. Grace in defeat, magnanimity in victory.


I learned the most in this thread from you, later bro.
Question.?
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
November 09 2016 05:55 GMT
#121546
On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?

I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".

I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie.

Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there.


And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability.

And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election.

At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves.


It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively.


You got that right.
More than ever, this election cycle was more about the candidate's character, rather than his or her policy (or lack thereof). I think Bernie would have favorable results vs Trump despite having his head stuck up his ass in socialist policies.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
November 09 2016 05:55 GMT
#121547
On November 09 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?

I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".

I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie.

Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there.


And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability.

And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election.

At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves.


It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively.

I mean third party voters won Trump Florida Arizona Michigan and Wisconson and more, so yeah its their fault.

Trump voters won Trump. Every vote for a third party over Hillary is one more vote she needed to win. Every vote for Trump over Hillary is two more votes she needed to win. If we're gonna attack a group for the Trump victory then how about we look at the deplorable half of the country.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
November 09 2016 05:56 GMT
#121548
On November 09 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?

I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".

I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie.

Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there.


And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability.

And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election.

At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves.


It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively.

I mean third party voters won Trump Florida Arizona Michigan and Wisconson and more, so yeah its their fault.


America is probably the only place on earth where it's the fault of the voters that someone doesn't get elected.
No will to live, no wish to die
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
November 09 2016 05:56 GMT
#121549
Serious question, since Trump is at odds with both Democrats and establishment Republicans: Will the Trump presidency help or harm the Republican party's image?

With the Republicans in charge of all three branches of government, I feel like things should work smoothly in theory for them if they had a President Cruz or Rubio, but Trump doesn't see eye-to-eye with the Republican party on plenty of issues. He's also volatile and thin-skinned, and there's very little chance that he'd be able to actually handle the presidency with any level of tact or diplomacy... or eloquence... or intelligence. With him as their leader, I wonder if the Republican party will go through an identity crisis.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 09 2016 05:56 GMT
#121550
On November 09 2016 14:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:43 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Well, as it turns out, white people can't be marginalized politically in America quite yet.

I don't see what the big deal is, Trump's not gonna get re-elected. Neither would Hillary. And the United States of America is too large and strong and rich a country and a people to get completely wrekt by either of them.


Most people are super dramatic about these kind of things. For the majority of the population, their day to day lives will not change at all. And yeah, this election sets up anyone to easily take the 2020 election.


You know, I wonder how many times throughout history have said, "This won't really change anything", only to have their country/empire/whatever collapse as a consequence of who comes into power. I'm sure we can think of at least one example where this happened after a certain person/party gained power.

It seems astoundingly ignorant for people to think "Oh, NBD, Trump won't get away with shit" when history have proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again that this is incredibly short-sighted.

The only upside for me is that, since I'm white, male, and in the military, my way of life is pretty fucking safe with Republicans in charge unless Trump stays Trump and gets us into a stupid war and I get killed. Assuming I don't, I'm young enough to be around in 4 years and get some sweet "I told you so's" in when America tries to lift itself off of it's ass after its economy tanks again and we become an international laughingstock.


Yeah. Tell me, how many democratic countries were that, and of those, how many were still a democracy after it.

None? Well shit.

PS: you should feel safe as a soldier under republican lead. It's not like they ever, ever started wars.
On track to MA1950A.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
November 09 2016 05:57 GMT
#121551
So they've already started the post-match blame-game lol
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 05:57 GMT
#121552
On November 09 2016 14:53 a_flayer wrote:
So trying to look at the upside... what are the chances Trump wants to put his name on Mars?


Well he has said he wants to increase funding for the COTS program(The Commercial Space funding).
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 09 2016 05:57 GMT
#121553
On November 09 2016 14:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:47 ChristianS wrote:
This was the last presidential election where a candidate could run on "fuck minorities" and still have enough white people around to win on it. 4 years from now this wouldn't be possible.


If white people start voting in bloc fashion the way minorities do, they'll determine who wins the presidency for another 30 years.

Admittedly that isn't going to happen, but tonight we saw the white working class (which is like 40% of the electorate) essentially voting as a bloc for Trump.

A less vulgar and generally boorish Republican candidate could bring college-educated whites back to their historical GOP voting levels while retaining working class whites and that would be enough to win the presidency for some time. Could. It took a Trump to get such a swing in the white working class from generally favoring the Republican to overwhelmingly favoring the Republican.

I'd be absolutely floored if a name other than Trump wins white working class this big.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
November 09 2016 05:57 GMT
#121554
On November 09 2016 14:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Serious question, since Trump is at odds with both Democrats and establishment Republicans: Will the Trump presidency help or harm the Republican party's image?

With the Republicans in charge of all three branches of government, I feel like things should work smoothly in theory for them if they had a President Cruz or Rubio, but Trump doesn't see eye-to-eye with the Republican party on plenty of issues. He's also volatile and thin-skinned, and there's very little chance that he'd be able to actually handle the presidency with any level of tact or diplomacy... or eloquence... or intelligence. With him as their leader, I wonder if the Republican party will go through an identity crisis.

Trump just got them 2 Supreme Court judges. They will get along just fine
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 05:58:29
November 09 2016 05:57 GMT
#121555
On November 09 2016 14:51 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
What happened here, is it a local issue?
https://twitter.com/eliotnelson/status/796190510901821440/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

fairly sure I saw that on 538 already before the first polls closed as a tradition that will most certainly break. Used to be democratic, turned more and more conservative over the years (by now way more conservative than the average US) and was at exactly 50% or something like that in 2012 despite Obama winning pretty handily
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
November 09 2016 05:57 GMT
#121556
Holy shit just give it to him. I want to see this speech.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4462 Posts
November 09 2016 05:58 GMT
#121557
On November 09 2016 14:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So they've already started the post-match blame-game lol

Good, let them tear the democrat party even further apart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 05:58 GMT
#121558
This is what Trump and Paul Ryan, for now while he is speaker, will have to face and more in the morning.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
November 09 2016 05:58 GMT
#121559
I'm genuinely worried about the stability of the Iran deal. That was a really, really good deal and the most influential countries around the world put a lot of effort into making it happen. Do we think it's possible someone can explain that to Trump? Possibly Putin?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 09 2016 05:58 GMT
#121560
On November 09 2016 14:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Serious question, since Trump is at odds with both Democrats and establishment Republicans: Will the Trump presidency help or harm the Republican party's image?

With the Republicans in charge of all three branches of government, I feel like things should work smoothly in theory for them if they had a President Cruz or Rubio, but Trump doesn't see eye-to-eye with the Republican party on plenty of issues. He's also volatile and thin-skinned, and there's very little chance that he'd be able to actually handle the presidency with any level of tact or diplomacy... or eloquence... or intelligence. With him as their leader, I wonder if the Republican party will go through an identity crisis.

Like I said, the Republican party has been playing damage control since the day Trump became their nominee. Sticking close enough to associate with him, but ready to ditch him when things look bad.

I expect that to be their MO for the next 4 years. The only question is whether the public buys their bullshit.
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