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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
November 09 2016 04:12 GMT
#121041
We live in interesting times.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4428 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 04:13:30
November 09 2016 04:13 GMT
#121042
On November 09 2016 06:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
My Prediction : Trump win
[image loading]

From 5 hours ago.
See what happens with PA, MI and WI but overall a very close estimate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 09 2016 04:13 GMT
#121043
On November 09 2016 13:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 13:09 xDaunt wrote:
Regardless, the key is Trump. Like I have been saying for a year or so, Trump is going to make deals in Washington to get things done. He will give things up to get what he really wants. There's going to be a return to more "bipartisan" normalcy under Trump.

I'm just praying what you say is true.


I have little confidence in his actual ability. He is the definition of all bark no bite.
Never Knows Best.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 04:13 GMT
#121044
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 09 2016 04:13 GMT
#121045
Another loser in all of this is Bill Clinton, his reputation was tarnished and dragged through the mud for no reason lmao
Question.?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 09 2016 04:13 GMT
#121046
On November 09 2016 13:11 LegalLord wrote:
On my drive home (at long last) I was looking for what I could use as my personal description of what's happening here. Ultimately, I came up with "the fuck-you to Hillary and the establishment that I was not willing to risk my own skin to send."

Trump is now favored to win, and we are favored to see four very interesting years. If that is what happens, I really hope that at the very least the Democrats understand exactly why it is that this happened. Their attitude towards this was absolutely not acceptable.

Bingo. And this is why I am excited to see Trump win. All of those elitists on the left are going to be hugely humbled, which needed to happen for the sake of discourse in the country. Vive les Deplorables!
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 04:13 GMT
#121047
And NC officially goes to Trump.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 09 2016 04:14 GMT
#121048
On November 09 2016 13:12 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:59 Nevuk wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:53 Danglars wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:48 xDaunt wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:47 Clonester wrote:
NYTimes closes Ohio and predicts a +8% for Trump.
Seriously, from +3% for Obama...

Hillary Clinton is the worst candidate since 30 years.

Which was also pointed out repeatedly in this thread for over a year, and which was also vehemently denied.

We had quote chains at hundreds of words, not that she was some close call, but she was clearly a good candidate that just had enough s*** thrown at her by Republicans that tarnished her name somewhat. I'm wondering if there's anybody on the fence that will finally conclude that in THIS close of a race, something was more wrong with their girl than truthless scandals and an uninformed populace.

My more nuanced position was that it was stupid to nominate someone who had been the target of a 20 year smear campaign, regardless of the whether or no the the accusations were true. Made the general election needlessly hard.

It's not even a more nuanced position. Her record was Hillary Clinton pulling a smear campaign on Hillary Clinton. Her conduct contained enough unforced errors to give the Jr High Reporting Team an easy job doing a 1 year reporting campaign on substantial accusations. I mean, where's the nuance between saying the accusations wouldn't have mattered and calling attention to an alleged smear campaign over decades, versus saying the accusations mattered on substance and the supposed targeting is pretty laughable given just how transparent her character has been.

The reason for my phrasing is that it dodges the rather pointless argument about her character and instead redirects it to strategy. You aren't going to convince someone she's a terrible person if they like her. Making the case that it's a really bad strategy to nominate her was easy, though.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24138 Posts
November 09 2016 04:14 GMT
#121049
On November 09 2016 13:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cenk on TYT just made a profound point about the media and Clinton campaign about attacking Trump. All voters heard was he is not a politician. That and the mainstream media is on it's deathbed.


And Jimmy made a great point that the DNC and Hillary elevated Trump on purpose. Whoops.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 09 2016 04:14 GMT
#121050
I just don't think she can take Michigan. Sure Only 52% reporting and "omg still Detroit" with that only being at 575 out of 999 reported but that doesn't even make it underrepresented.
The only hope for her I'm seeing there would be Washtenaw County at 10 out of 143 reporting ( 70 vs 25 lead for Clinton) that's still out. Not sure if that's enough votes, could get close
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 04:14 GMT
#121051
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 09 2016 04:15 GMT
#121052
On November 09 2016 13:13 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 13:11 LegalLord wrote:
On my drive home (at long last) I was looking for what I could use as my personal description of what's happening here. Ultimately, I came up with "the fuck-you to Hillary and the establishment that I was not willing to risk my own skin to send."

Trump is now favored to win, and we are favored to see four very interesting years. If that is what happens, I really hope that at the very least the Democrats understand exactly why it is that this happened. Their attitude towards this was absolutely not acceptable.

Bingo. And this is why I am excited to see Trump win. All of those elitists on the left are going to be hugely humbled, which needed to happen for the sake of discourse in the country. Vive les Deplorables!


Yes because anti-intellectualism is always a good thing...Just wait until they turn their teeth at those "elite" who were on their side. It already started with establishment Republicans.
Never Knows Best.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 09 2016 04:15 GMT
#121053
Oh yes, and lest we forget, fuck all of those republican politicians who turned their backs on Trump. The GOP as we knew it is dead, thank god.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
November 09 2016 04:15 GMT
#121054
Who the hell is McMullin and how does he have as many votes as Clinton in Utah?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 09 2016 04:15 GMT
#121055
On November 09 2016 13:09 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 13:05 TheYango wrote:
On November 09 2016 13:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:58 xDaunt wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:55 TheYango wrote:
Can someone who supports Trump give me a positive spin on why I should be okay with Christie and Gingrich being a part of his administration?

Trump is a political neophyte. At this point, I'm willing to give it a shot. Some of his surrogates, however, that have a very real shot at being part of his administration already have...less-than-stellar track records in government.

Because Christie, Gingrich, and Trump will all work with democrats to get shit done.


Just confirming that you're being sarcastic, right?

"Gingrich" and "work with democrats" seem like they don't go together at all.

On November 09 2016 13:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Wasn't Gingrich the entire architect behind the Contract With America that initiated obstructionism and not working with Democrats?

Yes.

And Gingrich got a lot done with Clinton at the expense of liberal democrats in Congress.

Regardless, the key is Trump. Like I have been saying for a year or so, Trump is going to make deals in Washington to get things done. He will give things up to get what he really wants. There's going to be a return to more "bipartisan" normalcy under Trump.

That's the big deal. Gingrich prevailing against presidential vetoes. Gingrich moving his Contract with America policies to gain Clinton's support. Welfare Reform.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 04:16 GMT
#121056
On November 09 2016 13:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Who the hell is McMullin and how does he have as many votes as Clinton in Utah?


Oh you didn't see the news?

Yeah, he just started making airwaves when he started going around and saying they both suck. At one point he was predicted to be getting 40-50% of the vote.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
November 09 2016 04:16 GMT
#121057
On November 09 2016 13:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Who the hell is McMullin and how does he have as many votes as Clinton in Utah?


He is a mormon.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5001 Posts
November 09 2016 04:16 GMT
#121058
On November 09 2016 13:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Who the hell is McMullin and how does he have as many votes as Clinton in Utah?


A conservative Mormon.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 09 2016 04:16 GMT
#121059
On November 09 2016 13:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Who the hell is McMullin and how does he have as many votes as Clinton in Utah?

write-in alternative GOP candidate
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 09 2016 04:16 GMT
#121060
On November 09 2016 13:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Who the hell is McMullin and how does he have as many votes as Clinton in Utah?

Mormons really don't like Trump
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