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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 08 2016 10:59 KwarK wrote: Ooooh, fun idea for a poll, suggest some options. 2020 candidates, D and R. Clinton and Kaine are obvious options, as are Ryan, Rubio and Cruz. Who else wants the job? Sasse, Cotton, Kasich | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On November 08 2016 10:59 KwarK wrote: Ooooh, fun idea for a poll, suggest some options. 2020 candidates, D and R. Clinton and Kaine are obvious options, as are Ryan, Rubio and Cruz. Who else wants the job? I honestly feel like Kasich would do well in a national election (perhaps better as the VP choice though), he would certainly win Ohio in no time. Unfortunately the moderate Republican just doesn't seem to speak to a large chunk of their traditional electorate anymore. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 08 2016 10:55 Nyxisto wrote: I don't really understand the huge support for Obama but disappointment with Clinton. They're very close on policy issues and Clinton is arguably less aloof and better connected in Washington. Sure Obama was a charismatic guy but if you liked him you should be at least enthusiastic about Clinton. That is a big question. Clinton has been part of the national conscience since her husband was elected 23 years ago. Her long history both as a politician and as the wife of the President have not been spotless. Comparatively Obama was a Chicago politician and not a household name. He appeared out of nowhere and fit the part of the President despite the initial shock of his skin. It was a shock nationally to have a popular black candidate even if it just wasn't something you said on TV. But this man could sell you a rock from outside your driveway and convince you that rock would change the world. Clinton is not of that caliber. Her policies may be similar. Her experience may be even greater than Obamas. But when I look at her I look at her warily. With Obama it was open arms and a willingness to believe in his dream, not just his policies. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:02 hunts wrote: Maybe Jeb will try again? Or trump? jeb's done, my impression is his heart wasn't all that into it this year and was hoping legacy, resume and $$$ would carry him to a win. probably would have worked without trump. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13779 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:01 las91 wrote: I honestly feel like Kasich would do well in a national election (perhaps better as the VP choice though), he would certainly win Ohio in no time. Unfortunately the moderate Republican just doesn't seem to speak to a large chunk of their traditional electorate anymore. He is only moderate until you pay attention to what he says. It's hard to do when he was overshadowed by Trump, but if you listen closely you will find someone who is far from moderate. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:05 ticklishmusic wrote: jeb's done, my impression is his heart wasn't all that into it this year and was hoping legacy, resume and $$$ would carry him to a win. probably would have worked without trump. My impression was, like his time as my governor, that it was expected of him to do these things and not something he was passionate about. Stuck in a family of politicians. | ||
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Introvert
United States4844 Posts
Walker, Haley, Martinez (maybe). | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:05 LegalLord wrote: He is only moderate until you pay attention to what he says. It's hard to do when he was overshadowed by Trump, but if you listen closely you will find someone who is far from moderate. The last policy related thing I read about him was how he managed to plummet Ohio from being a top ten state in education rankings to rank 25 or something because he gutted education funds by half a billion and celebrated that as a win. I think he's just as terrible as Trump, he just looks like the nice grandpa type | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:05 LegalLord wrote: He is only moderate until you pay attention to what he says. It's hard to do when he was overshadowed by Trump, but if you listen closely you will find someone who is far from moderate. Moderate probably isn't the right word. He incorporates stances from both parties across all of his policies which is virtually unheard of these days esp. on the national level. He's been my governor for 6 years, I've seen what he does, not just what he says. On November 08 2016 11:09 Nyxisto wrote: The last policy related thing I read about him was how he managed to plummet Ohio from being a top ten state in education rankings to rank 25 or something because he gutted education funds by half a billion and celebrated that as a win. I think he's just as terrible as Trump, he just looks like the nice grandpa type Education was something that he tried to push incredibly unsuccessfully. The Ohio student compared to nationally was already on a downward trend, it's hard to know if his policies accelerated them or kept them at the same pace of failure. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
Or is Trump lying again lol | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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KwarK
United States43129 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:05 LegalLord wrote: He is only moderate until you pay attention to what he says. It's hard to do when he was overshadowed by Trump, but if you listen closely you will find someone who is far from moderate. My understanding of Kasich is that he's been a somewhat typical Republican failure of a governor. He slashed corporate taxes heavily, promising to make up the expected shortfall with growth. Then he ran a deficit, panicked and raised sales taxes (a regressive tax punishing the poor) to make up the difference, exactly as they always do. Now I'm not saying that he won't get support for doing that nationally, but I don't think anyone is selling him as a moderate. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 08 2016 10:55 Nyxisto wrote: I don't really understand the huge support for Obama but disappointment with Clinton. They're very close on policy issues and Clinton is arguably less aloof and better connected in Washington. Sure Obama was a charismatic guy but if you liked him you should be at least enthusiastic about Clinton. better connected yes; on aloofness I'm not so sure. clinton has a few personality aspects and leadership choices I find troubling. but I don't really mind clinton that much. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Hillary Clinton now speaking at the final rally On November 08 2016 11:10 CorsairHero wrote: Are obamacare premiums going up triple digits anywhere Or is Trump lying again lol Double digits yes, and I am very very worried. Triple digits? Only Trump has heard of this fact as far as I'm aware. The Affordable Care Act needs a lot of help though. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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farvacola
United States18834 Posts
Walker is dead in the water, he'd bring the reality of conservative government economics to the national stage and the Republicans can't tolerate having people actually scrutinize what's happening in states like Wisconsin and Kansas. | ||
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Introvert
United States4844 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:18 farvacola wrote: Walker is dead in the water, he'd bring the reality of conservative government economics to the national stage and the Republicans can't tolerate having people actually scrutinize what's happening in states like Wisconsin and Kansas. Feels kind of like a baiting statement, but I'll point out the question is "who wants the job [and who will try]?" I could see him trying again, unless he's so dejected from his failure this time around. | ||
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KwarK
United States43129 Posts
On November 08 2016 11:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Christ; Hillary is a terrible candidate, has she ever been genuinely happy about anything? She just seems so fake. She lacks the charisma of Obama but I think she'll do a decent enough job in the Oval Office. They are two very different skill sets. Also if you want to see her genuinely happy then watch the debates again. Every time Trump stumbles she gets this glazed look over her eyes and her mind drifts to thinking of herself in January. | ||
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