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On November 03 2016 04:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:50 oBlade wrote:On November 03 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:
We will see. I can see it not getting coverage and I can also see it getting all the coverage. Trump has to know who this woman is at this point and they have not outed her or attempted to discredit the case to date. Every time he goes after or reciprocates shit against someone, we hear repeatedly how he's unhinged, undisciplined, unfocused, has no self-control, and so forth. Is someone claiming you're a child rapist the one time you're justified in being more than silent? Do you know why that is?
Because the campaign not bothering with it proves he's a child rapist, which you already believe?
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On November 03 2016 05:01 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:56 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 oBlade wrote:On November 03 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:
We will see. I can see it not getting coverage and I can also see it getting all the coverage. Trump has to know who this woman is at this point and they have not outed her or attempted to discredit the case to date. Every time he goes after or reciprocates shit against someone, we hear repeatedly how he's unhinged, undisciplined, unfocused, has no self-control, and so forth. Is someone claiming you're a child rapist the one time you're justified in being more than silent? Do you know why that is? Because the campaign not bothering with it proves he's a child rapist, which you already believe?
Out of curiousity, do you believe any of the assault allegations against Trump? If we start on the easy end like "did he try to kiss the woman he told Billy Bush he tried to kiss", move through "did he walk in on the naked Miss America contestants the way they alleged he did and he bragged about doing", then his ex-wife's rape allegations, then through the rape allegations (who he said weren't pretty enough for him to rape) and finally to child rape, where on that spectrum do you decide it's probably nothing?
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On November 03 2016 04:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:38 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 03 2016 04:27 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:24 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 03 2016 04:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 03 2016 04:12 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 03 2016 04:07 Rebs wrote:On November 03 2016 04:05 Little-Chimp wrote:On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate. Wow I hope this gets all the headlines. I dunno man Donald is a dumb ass but I don't see him as someone who rapes teenagers. I think this one will smell fishy to most people without more evidence. you're right, he just grabs em by the pussy... I'm not denying he uses his fame to get into sexual assault territory, but usually people that rape kids are really weird sexually repressed people. Why would someone who can bang supermodels rape a 13 year old? My gut tells me I can't convict him of this without more facts. Especially with this timing. Except the part where he stated on a live talk show that he walked into change rooms to see 16 year olds naked? Making shit hyperbole up only makes you look stupid. He said on a talk show that he would walk in on adult contests such as miss universe. People from teen beauty contests (ages 14 to 19) have separately claimed he has walked in on them too. I believe them tbh especially with 18 and 19 year olds there but still doesn't equate to sexual assault of a 13 year old at a party. Why would you doubt it without at least looking at the evidence first? Sexual assault is just one step away from rape and Trump freely admits to sexually assaulting women. Do you actually think Trump abusing his fame and money to grope/kiss a women before getting rejected (where he then backed off per his story) is ONE step from child rape? I'd say it's a pretty big leap, not completely unfounded since he has teen pageants but definitely one worth investigating and not immediately convicting. Also holding back a child rape case until 1 week before election? you're just looking for a convenient bomb here to drop on Donald IMO. When you get down to it, the difference between sexually assaulting a young adult and sexually assaulting a child is asking their age first.
"The Jane Doe assault allegedly took place at a party held by sex offender Jeffrey Epstein who is known as “the billionaire pedophile.” Doe has accused Trump of vaginally and anally raping her while she was tied to a bed, and then threatening the life of her and her family if she reported him."
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.deathandtaxesmag.com/308704/jane-doe-trump-child-break-silence-lisa-bloom?amp=1
That's so fucked up dude. That's a whole other level. if Trump did this, he should get fucked in jail for life. That being said the story is so fucked up that I can't logically leap from groping a girl and backing off to violent child rape without more evidence.
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On November 03 2016 05:01 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:56 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 oBlade wrote:On November 03 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:
We will see. I can see it not getting coverage and I can also see it getting all the coverage. Trump has to know who this woman is at this point and they have not outed her or attempted to discredit the case to date. Every time he goes after or reciprocates shit against someone, we hear repeatedly how he's unhinged, undisciplined, unfocused, has no self-control, and so forth. Is someone claiming you're a child rapist the one time you're justified in being more than silent? Do you know why that is? Because the campaign not bothering with it proves he's a child rapist, which you already believe?
We do have to ask ourselves what makes this one different? Why did he attack everyone who has made claims against him except this case? They have to know who filed the case, even if its isn’t in the court documents. Why not get ahead of it earlier and get more information out there if it is completely false? Why live it as a potential problem looming over the election?
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On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd. I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie. I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency. the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Trump elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power?
hence the coercion . . .
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On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd. I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie. I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency. the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Trump elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . .
Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Trump threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person.
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Most people from the Bernie or Bust camp won't actually feel the negative consequences of a Trump presidency because they're well off. For them political activity is simply a hobby, they don't care about power and don't actually want to govern, it's the same tenured radical demographic you find at every university.
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On November 03 2016 05:08 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd. I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie. I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency. the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Trump elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . . Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Trump threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person.
1) trump has no chance
2) a coerced choice is not a free choice. you can tell me that voting for clinton is the only moral choice but you can't then tell me it's a free choice
back to 3) a vote that feels bad is a coerced vote
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On November 03 2016 05:13 Nyxisto wrote:
Most people from the Bernie or Bust camp won't actually feel the negative consequences of a Trump presidency because they're well off. For them political activity is simply a hobby, they don't care about power and don't actually want to govern, it's the same tenured radical demographic you find at every university.
From what I've personally seen, it seems to be the opposite. The majority of bernie or bust people I've seen are not well off and work in low paying jobs that are not particularly stable and will be some of the first to go in the case of economic trouble.
Unfortunately, igne, trump does stand a chance. A very small chance, but still a chance. The fact that he has any sort of chance sickens me to my stomach and makes me wish a horrible death onto everyone stupid enough to support him. But if enough people feel like you and GH and decide "we don't want clinton, we want to hold out for our unrealistic option." Then it is possible that we get a fascist dictator in office.
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On November 03 2016 05:16 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:08 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd. I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie. I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency. the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Drumpf elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . . Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Drumpf threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person. 1) trump has no chance 2) a coerced choice is not a free choice. you can tell me that voting for clinton is the only moral choice but you can't then tell me it's a free choice
I dont follow this.. you're predicating your second point on the idea that by virtue of a choice being the only moral, it becomes the only choice ?
That doesnt seem right.
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On November 03 2016 05:16 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:13 Nyxisto wrote:
Most people from the Bernie or Bust camp won't actually feel the negative consequences of a Trump presidency because they're well off. For them political activity is simply a hobby, they don't care about power and don't actually want to govern, it's the same tenured radical demographic you find at every university. From what I've personally seen, it seems to be the opposite. The majority of bernie or bust people I've seen are not well off and work in low paying jobs that are not particularly stable and will be some of the first to go in the case of economic trouble.
Then they are more foolish than I thought by (effectively) voting for Trump. They will suffer greatly under a Trump presidency yet they help him get into office. Nice.
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On November 03 2016 05:18 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:16 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:08 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:
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I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie. I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency. the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Drumpf elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . . Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Drumpf threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person. 1) trump has no chance 2) a coerced choice is not a free choice. you can tell me that voting for clinton is the only moral choice but you can't then tell me it's a free choice I dont follow this.. you're predicating your second point on the idea that by virtue of a choice being moral, it becomes the only choice ? That doesnt seem right.
well if you want to be radical about it, there is no such thing as coercion right? even w a gun pointed at my head i can always choose the gun.
anyway you have fucked up the contingency. a choice is coerced by being the ONLY moral choice not simply A moral choice.
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is it really coercion if you're just making people aware of whats at stake rather than originating the threat?
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On November 03 2016 05:20 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:18 Rebs wrote:On November 03 2016 05:16 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:08 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:
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I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency. the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Drumpf elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . . Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Drumpf threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person. 1) trump has no chance 2) a coerced choice is not a free choice. you can tell me that voting for clinton is the only moral choice but you can't then tell me it's a free choice I dont follow this.. you're predicating your second point on the idea that by virtue of a choice being moral, it becomes the only choice ? That doesnt seem right. well if you want to be radical about it, there is no such thing as coercion right? even w a gun pointed at my head i can always choose the gun.
Actually the only thing thats radical about this is your leap from morality to gun in terms of what determines the choice.
I dont see the equivalence here in the argument you are making.
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So, how many, if any, of the allegations against Trump are NOT past the statute of limitations?
any vague sense of how long until we might see an indictment on any of them if they have sufficient evidence?
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On November 03 2016 05:23 zlefin wrote:
So, how many, if any, of the allegations against Trump are NOT past the statute of limitations?
any vague sense of how long until we might see an indictment on any of them if they have sufficient evidence?
Too long for us to care. I expect most of this stuff to just fall by the wayside after the election is over, regardless of the outcome.
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On November 03 2016 05:22 ticklishmusic wrote:
is it really coercion if you're just making people aware of whats at stake rather than originating the threat?
i didn't say someone in the thread was coercing hillary votes. that doesn't mean the votes aren't coerced
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On November 03 2016 05:25 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:23 zlefin wrote:
So, how many, if any, of the allegations against Trump are NOT past the statute of limitations?
any vague sense of how long until we might see an indictment on any of them if they have sufficient evidence? Too long for us to care. I expect most of this stuff to just fall by the wayside after the election is over, regardless of the outcome.
No way. Cable News is only in business because of Trump and the viewers he brings. All of his lawsuits and depositions coming up after Nov. 8 are going to be banner headlines. Do you really think the MSM is going to give a rat's ass about HRC's transition team when there are Trump depos going on?
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On November 03 2016 05:16 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:13 Nyxisto wrote:
Most people from the Bernie or Bust camp won't actually feel the negative consequences of a Trump presidency because they're well off. For them political activity is simply a hobby, they don't care about power and don't actually want to govern, it's the same tenured radical demographic you find at every university. From what I've personally seen, it seems to be the opposite. The majority of bernie or bust people I've seen are not well off and work in low paying jobs that are not particularly stable and will be some of the first to go in the case of economic trouble. Unfortunately, igne, trump does stand a chance. A very small chance, but still a chance. The fact that he has any sort of chance sickens me to my stomach and makes me wish a horrible death onto everyone stupid enough to support him. But if enough people feel like you and GH and decide "we don't want clinton, we want to hold out for our unrealistic option." Then it is possible that we get a fascist dictator in office.
Hilllary's support among the hispanic and black voter base seems rather strong and steady, and I guess it's fair to say that these demographics are, at least on average, worse off than the white voterbase which was Bernie's strongest support within the Demographic party by some considerable margin.
And yes a Trump victory is still possible, have people seriously forgotten the Brexit already? It's not like Clinton is leading by 12 points nationwide.
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On November 03 2016 05:25 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:23 zlefin wrote:
So, how many, if any, of the allegations against Trump are NOT past the statute of limitations?
any vague sense of how long until we might see an indictment on any of them if they have sufficient evidence? Too long for us to care. I expect most of this stuff to just fall by the wayside after the election is over, regardless of the outcome.
I expect a few DAs to try investigating the cases if they're not past the statute of limitations. It usually takes awhile anyways for investigations.
And I'll still care.
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