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On November 03 2016 05:27 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:25 LegalLord wrote:On November 03 2016 05:23 zlefin wrote:
So, how many, if any, of the allegations against Trump are NOT past the statute of limitations?
any vague sense of how long until we might see an indictment on any of them if they have sufficient evidence? Too long for us to care. I expect most of this stuff to just fall by the wayside after the election is over, regardless of the outcome. No way. Cable News is only in business because of Trump and the viewers he brings. All of his lawsuits and depositions coming up after Nov. 8 are going to be banner headlines. Do you really think the MSM is going to give a rat's ass about HRC's transition team when there are Trump depos going on?
Yeah, if Trump loses and concedes then I expect people will gradually stop caring about him. It could go some other way but less of us will care about Trump when there isn't a chance of him winning the election.
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All this talk of the impending doom a Trump presidency would bring, you would think that Clinton's camp wouldn't have intentionally elevated him. Unless of course the strategy was to run against Trump/Cruz/Carson because it gave Hillary a better shot, so what if it put the country in more danger?
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On November 03 2016 05:23 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:20 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:18 Rebs wrote:On November 03 2016 05:16 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:08 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:
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the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Drumpf elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . . Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Drumpf threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person. 1) trump has no chance 2) a coerced choice is not a free choice. you can tell me that voting for clinton is the only moral choice but you can't then tell me it's a free choice I dont follow this.. you're predicating your second point on the idea that by virtue of a choice being moral, it becomes the only choice ? That doesnt seem right. well if you want to be radical about it, there is no such thing as coercion right? even w a gun pointed at my head i can always choose the gun. Actually the only thing thats radical about this is your leap from morality to gun in terms of what determines the choice. I dont see the equivalence here in the argument you are making.
equivalence to what? i said "coerced" not a literal gun to the head.
because you are so obtuse ill give you a metaphor. if there is only one moral option the choice is coerced by a ghostly gun pointed at your immortal soul. you are only "free" to choose the moral option or choose spiritual death
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Hillary has no more margin of error, a Trump win is very possible at this point. Hopefully the next 5 days will see a return to the norm with her normal 4 point margin being restored but if not then a Trump win is absolutely within polling error. The polls, if they are completely correct, suggest Hillary should still win. But the pollsters don't claim that their polls are correct, they claim that their polls are correct to a certain margin of error and that margin of error is now smaller than the shift Trump needs.
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On November 03 2016 05:28 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:16 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 05:13 Nyxisto wrote:
Most people from the Bernie or Bust camp won't actually feel the negative consequences of a Trump presidency because they're well off. For them political activity is simply a hobby, they don't care about power and don't actually want to govern, it's the same tenured radical demographic you find at every university. From what I've personally seen, it seems to be the opposite. The majority of bernie or bust people I've seen are not well off and work in low paying jobs that are not particularly stable and will be some of the first to go in the case of economic trouble. Unfortunately, igne, trump does stand a chance. A very small chance, but still a chance. The fact that he has any sort of chance sickens me to my stomach and makes me wish a horrible death onto everyone stupid enough to support him. But if enough people feel like you and GH and decide "we don't want clinton, we want to hold out for our unrealistic option." Then it is possible that we get a fascist dictator in office. Hilllary's support among the hispanic and black voter base seems rather strong and steady, and I guess it's fair to say that these demographics are, at least on average, worse off than the white voterbase which was Bernie's strongest support within the Demographic party by some considerable margin. And yes a Trump victory is still possible, have people seriously forgotten the Brexit already? It's not like Clinton is leading by 12 points nationwide.
From what I've seen of the early voting exit polls, Hillary is hemorrhaging support from the very minority groups that she needs to win compared to the 2012 and 2008 elections. Black turnout has been particularly bad for her. I think it was a poll out of Florida that showed not only that black turnout was significantly down, but that she was only getting like 68% of the black vote and Trump was getting 20%.
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Trump is going to win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks.
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On November 03 2016 05:31 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:23 Rebs wrote:On November 03 2016 05:20 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:18 Rebs wrote:On November 03 2016 05:16 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:08 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:
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Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Drumpf elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote. What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . . Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Drumpf threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person. 1) trump has no chance 2) a coerced choice is not a free choice. you can tell me that voting for clinton is the only moral choice but you can't then tell me it's a free choice I dont follow this.. you're predicating your second point on the idea that by virtue of a choice being moral, it becomes the only choice ? That doesnt seem right. well if you want to be radical about it, there is no such thing as coercion right? even w a gun pointed at my head i can always choose the gun. Actually the only thing thats radical about this is your leap from morality to gun in terms of what determines the choice. I dont see the equivalence here in the argument you are making. equivalence to what? i said "coerced" not a literal gun to the head. because you are so obtuse ill give you a metaphor. if there is only one moral option the choice is coerced by a ghostly gun pointed at your immortal soul. you are only "free" to choose the moral option or choose spiritual death
I mean I dont get it still, this is a pretty stupid metaphor, you are saying that an immoral decision will kill your soul/spirit when that really isnt the case. People make immoral decisions more often than they change their pyjamas. I dont see how voting for Drumpf even with the knowledge that the decisions to do so maybe immoral is spiritual death.
Anyway lets leave it, I think your reasoning is stupid and we can agree to disagree on it.
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On November 03 2016 05:32 KwarK wrote:
Hillary has no more margin of error, a Trump win is very possible at this point. Hopefully the next 5 days will see a return to the norm with her normal 4 point margin being restored but if not then a Trump win is absolutely within polling error. The polls, if they are completely correct, suggest Hillary should still win. But the pollsters don't claim that their polls are correct, they claim that their polls are correct to a certain margin of error and that margin of error is now smaller than the shift Trump needs.
I am constantly amazed how easy it is for people to forget about events a week in the past and change their opinions so quickly when the 2 sides are so very far apart.
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On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trumps gonna win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks.
It is a fundamental downplaying of corruption in government and the dishonesty of HRC and the incredible exaggeration of Trump's negatives to the point where the liberals are detached from America's problems. Trump is going to win, and in 4 years USA will be the same or better, and HRC will be in jail.
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On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trump is going to win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks.
Make sure to be here when he loses. Try not to embarass yourself by claiming it was rigged. In the event she loses, I'll be here.
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On November 03 2016 05:37 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trumps gonna win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks. It is a fundamental downplaying of corruption in government and the dishonesty of HRC and the incredible exaggeration of Trump's negatives to the point where the liberals are detached from America's problems. Trump is going to win, and in 4 years USA will be the same or better, and HRC will be in jail.
This is the one thing I agree on. If he wins the country will be better off in 4 years when Trump loses by 40 points and the Dems win the senate and house for good.
Assuming he doesnt fuck us too bad in those 4 years.
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On November 03 2016 05:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:32 KwarK wrote:
Hillary has no more margin of error, a Trump win is very possible at this point. Hopefully the next 5 days will see a return to the norm with her normal 4 point margin being restored but if not then a Trump win is absolutely within polling error. The polls, if they are completely correct, suggest Hillary should still win. But the pollsters don't claim that their polls are correct, they claim that their polls are correct to a certain margin of error and that margin of error is now smaller than the shift Trump needs. I am constantly amazed how easy it is for people to forget about events a week in the past and change their opinions so quickly when the 2 sides are so very far apart.
I overestimated the American people. I am still baffled by the fact that Trump polls above single digits. I cannot conceive the kind of mind that looks at him and thinks "yeah, that's the man we need for President". But apparently millions of Americans do. I'm now saying it's close where a week ago I was saying it was done because for some reason a bunch of Americans decided to switch to Trump. I was wrong in my belief that they wouldn't, I've been let down by the people.
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On November 03 2016 05:37 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trumps gonna win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks. It is a fundamental downplaying of corruption in government and the dishonesty of HRC and the incredible exaggeration of Trump's negatives to the point where the liberals are detached from America's problems. Trump is going to win, and in 4 years USA will be the same or better, and HRC will be in jail.
What do you think about Saudi Arabia being allowed to get nukes?
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On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trump is going to win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks.
Yeah, its pretty obvious with the rats in the polling industry jumping ship en-mass this close to the election. They can't bullshit the numbers anymore.
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On November 03 2016 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:37 biology]major wrote:On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trumps gonna win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks. It is a fundamental downplaying of corruption in government and the dishonesty of HRC and the incredible exaggeration of Trump's negatives to the point where the liberals are detached from America's problems. Trump is going to win, and in 4 years USA will be the same or better, and HRC will be in jail. What do you think about Saudi Arabia being allowed to get nukes?
The most dangerous country in the world will get competition.
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On November 03 2016 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:37 biology]major wrote:On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trumps gonna win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks. It is a fundamental downplaying of corruption in government and the dishonesty of HRC and the incredible exaggeration of Trump's negatives to the point where the liberals are detached from America's problems. Trump is going to win, and in 4 years USA will be the same or better, and HRC will be in jail. What do you think about Saudi Arabia being allowed to get nukes?
What do you think of the recent leaks showing DOJ attorney tipping off Podesta about hearings and what questions will get asked? Is that really how low the bar is for the great institutions of this country? This isn't fucking Nigeria, this is the USA, it has standards and is supposed to be a free and just society. Stop obsessing over the personality of a man you despise and see the country with the eyes of an average american.
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On November 03 2016 05:43 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trump is going to win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks. Yeah, its pretty obvious with the rats in the polling industry jumping ship en-mass this close to the election. They can't bullshit the numbers anymore.
Ban bet? If Trump wins I take 2 weeks. If Clinton wins, you take a month? :p
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On November 03 2016 05:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:43 zeo wrote:On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trump is going to win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks. Yeah, its pretty obvious with the rats in the polling industry jumping ship en-mass this close to the election. They can't bullshit the numbers anymore. Ban bet? If Trump wins I take 2 weeks. If Clinton wins, you take a month? :p
Didn't you already say you were going to get unmodded if Clinton loses?
edit: Implying you won't take a month long break from TL if Trump wins anyway 
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On November 03 2016 05:34 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:31 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:23 Rebs wrote:On November 03 2016 05:20 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:18 Rebs wrote:On November 03 2016 05:16 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 05:08 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 05:07 IgnE wrote:On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
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a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote.
What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power? hence the coercion . . . Being coerced by your own moral compass preventing you from standing by and doing nothing when a figure like Drumpf threatens the basic civil rights of immigrants, Muslims, minorities, gays, lesbians, trans people and so forth is not really coercion. It's just being a good person. 1) trump has no chance 2) a coerced choice is not a free choice. you can tell me that voting for clinton is the only moral choice but you can't then tell me it's a free choice I dont follow this.. you're predicating your second point on the idea that by virtue of a choice being moral, it becomes the only choice ? That doesnt seem right. well if you want to be radical about it, there is no such thing as coercion right? even w a gun pointed at my head i can always choose the gun. Actually the only thing thats radical about this is your leap from morality to gun in terms of what determines the choice. I dont see the equivalence here in the argument you are making. equivalence to what? i said "coerced" not a literal gun to the head. because you are so obtuse ill give you a metaphor. if there is only one moral option the choice is coerced by a ghostly gun pointed at your immortal soul. you are only "free" to choose the moral option or choose spiritual death I mean I dont get it still, this is a pretty stupid metaphor, you are saying that an immoral decision will kill your soul/spirit when that really isnt the case. People make immoral decisions more often than they change their pyjamas. I dont see how voting for Drumpf even with the knowledge that the decisions to do so maybe immoral is spiritual death. Anyway lets leave it, I think your reasoning is stupid and we can agree to disagree on it.
do you not know what the word coercion means or are you just playing the idiot?
edit: the metaphor does not rely upon the truth value of its proposition for the analogy to work. metaphor is a literary device. i have no earthly idea why you are talking about how voting for trump doesnt "really" kill your immortal soul.
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On November 03 2016 05:45 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:45 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 05:43 zeo wrote:On November 03 2016 05:33 pmh wrote:
Trump is going to win,its a done deal. The salt will be real on this forum in 2 weeks. Yeah, its pretty obvious with the rats in the polling industry jumping ship en-mass this close to the election. They can't bullshit the numbers anymore. Ban bet? If Trump wins I take 2 weeks. If Clinton wins, you take a month? :p Didn't you already say you were going to get unmodded if Clinton loses?
No? Why on earth would I say that?
I do have a banbet with GGTemplar though.
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