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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 02 2016 18:44 GMT
#117461
On November 03 2016 03:34 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:31 LegalLord wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:24 zlefin wrote:
I wish presidential candidates would focus less on their legislative platforms and more on their executive platforms.
i.e. they keep talking about what policies they want, even though most of that stuff is more congress than president; and they don't talk so much about the stuff that's wholly within the purview of the presidency.

Executive Obama isn't very popular with the mainstream, so I see it as perfectly reasonable for them to be quite mum about it. You can't just talk about all the things you're going to do yourself unless you want to appear imperial.

i don't think i'ts imperial if you focus only on the things that are 100% within the mandate of the presidency.
and I apply this to all parties in general, not just the obama issues.

One of my goals for when I'm president is to try to lower the power of the presidency, but I doubt it'll work out. especially the being president part

First thing I would do as president is to make a court that will get rid of the WPRA. A president needs his imperial powers.

But it does come off as very imperial when you talk frankly about unilateral presidential powers. I wouldn't talk about it at all.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 02 2016 18:47 GMT
#117462
On November 03 2016 03:43 oneofthem wrote:
realism has some ideology involved in terms of interpreting the real facts(tm). the claim that it is possible to distinguish between reals and ideology isnt ideology.

but lets just say the idea that realism is nessarily ideological is itself an ideology


you are just playing word games with "realism". what are the "reals" of potential political action? the delimiting of that boundary is ideological
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 02 2016 18:51 GMT
#117463
On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd.

I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie.


I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency.



the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology


Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Trump elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism


a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 02 2016 18:52 GMT
#117464
On November 03 2016 03:47 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:43 oneofthem wrote:
realism has some ideology involved in terms of interpreting the real facts(tm). the claim that it is possible to distinguish between reals and ideology isnt ideology.

but lets just say the idea that realism is nessarily ideological is itself an ideology


you are just playing word games with "realism". what are the "reals" of potential political action? the delimiting of that boundary is ideological

The better term is probably "pragmatism".

For example, a social conservative would say drugs are bad because they're morally wrong. A social liberal would say drugs should be allowed because people should have the right to decide their own actions and control their own bodies.

A "realist" wouldn't care about the moral or ethical rights, and would only care that trying to control drugs is impossible and causes more issues than it solves.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
November 02 2016 18:52 GMT
#117465
New poll out of Virginia (Hampton University)

Trump- 44 (+10)
Clinton- 41 (-5)

http://news.hamptonu.edu/release/Hampton-University's-CPP-Latest-Poll-Shows-VA-Voter-Shift-from-Clinton-to-Trump-Post-Email-Investigation#
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
November 02 2016 18:53 GMT
#117466
On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd.

I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie.


I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency.



the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology


Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Trump elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism


a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote.


What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power?
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 02 2016 18:53 GMT
#117467
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:


And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


i predicted that she'd come out one week before election day, off by just a day.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 02 2016 18:54 GMT
#117468
On November 03 2016 03:53 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd.

I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie.


I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency.



the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology


Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Trump elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism


a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote.


What good is a vote that makes you feel good about yourself when you are standing by while a dictator potentially gets into power?


get a grip bro, it will all be over soon enough.
Question.?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22440 Posts
November 02 2016 18:57 GMT
#117469
On November 03 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:42 Nyxisto wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:39 IgnE wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:16 hunts wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:13 Plansix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:09 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently my dad is Bernie or bust. He lives in Florida and wrote it in, said it made him feel better. I kind of doubt that'll be widespread though, my family tends to be uh, odd.

I have a couple friends that flat out refuse to vote anything but Bernie.


I have an acquaintance like that too. I honestly don't get those kinds of people. To me they just seem like the left version of trumpkins, all ideology and no brains or realism. What's worse is many of the bernie or bust people are the ones who would be hurt most by a trump presidency.



the word you were looking for is idealism, not ideology. they do not mean the same thing. "realism" is a kind of ideology


Idealism is trying to achieve Bernie's goals further down the line, this is getting Trump elected. Bernie would tell him the same. In fact voting to 'make you feel good' is actually just narcissism


a vote that makes you feel bad is a coerced vote. a coerced vote isn't a free vote.

If only the real world was a place where everything was as we dreamed it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 02 2016 18:58 GMT
#117470
On November 03 2016 03:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


i predicted that she'd come out one week before election day, off by just a day.

It is nice to have a good plan. Reporters have been gearing up for this one for a while now. Lets see if this gets as much attention as the FBI’s letter about potential emails that may or may not be something.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 02 2016 19:01 GMT
#117471
On November 03 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


i predicted that she'd come out one week before election day, off by just a day.

It is nice to have a good plan. Reporters have been gearing up for this one for a while now. Lets see if this gets as much attention as the FBI’s letter about potential emails that may or may not be something.


It's going to get 0 attention, let me tell you why: wikileaks showing clear cut evidence of collusion and MSM is covering it. Also the defense will be the same as for all the other accusers, which is the suspect timing. Clinton camp is in complete desperation right now. Corruption of our greatest institutions will not go unnoticed by the people.
Question.?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 02 2016 19:02 GMT
#117472
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 02 2016 19:04 GMT
#117473
On November 03 2016 04:01 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


i predicted that she'd come out one week before election day, off by just a day.

It is nice to have a good plan. Reporters have been gearing up for this one for a while now. Lets see if this gets as much attention as the FBI’s letter about potential emails that may or may not be something.


It's going to get 0 attention, let me tell you why: wikileaks showing clear cut evidence of collusion and MSM is covering it. Also the defense will be the same as for all the other accusers, which is the suspect timing. Clinton camp is in complete desperation right now. Corruption of our greatest institutions will not go unnoticed by the people.

Just like every other woman who was sexually assaulted by Trump got zero attention or news coverage.

FYI – NPR is the outlet that gave me a heads up about the press conference later today.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada949 Posts
November 02 2016 19:05 GMT
#117474
On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.


I dunno man Donald is a dumb ass but I don't see him as someone who rapes teenagers. I think this one will smell fishy to most people without more evidence.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 02 2016 19:06 GMT
#117475
On November 03 2016 04:05 Little-Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.


I dunno man Donald is a dumb ass but I don't see him as someone who rapes teenagers. I think this one will smell fishy to most people without more evidence.


It's going to help trump, going to look like a setup if there ever was one by the clinton campaign, unless there is some evidence.
Question.?
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 19:08:07
November 02 2016 19:07 GMT
#117476
On November 03 2016 04:05 Little-Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.


I dunno man Donald is a dumb ass but I don't see him as someone who rapes teenagers. I think this one will smell fishy to most people without more evidence.


you're right, he just grabs em by the pussy...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 02 2016 19:10 GMT
#117477
On November 03 2016 04:05 Little-Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.


I dunno man Donald is a dumb ass but I don't see him as someone who rapes teenagers. I think this one will smell fishy to most people without more evidence.

He already admitted that he sexually assaults women and this case has been building for some time. The court documents are out there. The only reason the news media has not covered it was that they didn’t’ know the plaintiff’s name.

Weirdly enough, this thing has been out there for 4 months and the Trump camp as not tried to discredit it or find out who filed it. They have just sort of ignored it and push all the deadlines until after the election.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
November 02 2016 19:11 GMT
#117478
On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.

Yawn

Lawsuits accusing Donald Trump of sexually assaulting a child in the 1990s appear to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities.

Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show, has previously been involved with disputed allegations that OJ Simpson bought illegal drugs on the day Simpson’s wife was murdered, and that Kurt Cobain’s widow had the Nirvana frontman killed.

Court filings in California and New York against Trump, purportedly on behalf of a woman using the name Katie Johnson, have in recent weeks alleged that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee raped Johnson when she was 13. Trump vehemently denies the allegations.

theguardian

Pretty shitty Hail Mary from the Clinton campaign, picking up a rape case that was thrown out twice 6 days before the election. Jerry Springer has more legitimacy at this point.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22440 Posts
November 02 2016 19:12 GMT
#117479
On November 03 2016 04:05 Little-Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.


I dunno man Donald is a dumb ass but I don't see him as someone who rapes teenagers. I think this one will smell fishy to most people without more evidence.

Evidence of 'forcing' himself on women.
Earlier stories of him walking on Miss contestants changing, including minors in the room.

I can see it happening.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden890 Posts
November 02 2016 19:12 GMT
#117480
On November 03 2016 04:10 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:05 Little-Chimp wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:41 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/lisabloom/status/793880513018785792

And we sort of all knew this was coming. That case was filed months ago. There was a time when having a pending child rape case that wasn't instantly dismissed as fake would have doomed any candidate.


Wow I hope this gets all the headlines.


I dunno man Donald is a dumb ass but I don't see him as someone who rapes teenagers. I think this one will smell fishy to most people without more evidence.

He already admitted that he sexually assaults women and this case has been building for some time. The court documents are out there. The only reason the news media has not covered it was that they didn’t’ know the plaintiff’s name.

Weirdly enough, this thing has been out there for 4 months and the Trump camp as not tried to discredit it or find out who filed it. They have just sort of ignored it and push all the deadlines until after the election.


well you cant trust all this shit. Any random woman can claim trump has sexually assaulted them for some nice attention it happens every fucking time some famous person is accused of sexual assault suddenly 50 woman out of nowhere come forward and say the same thing
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