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On November 01 2016 12:32 Ropid wrote:I dislike the Slate article because I felt it was suggestive. It felt like they tried to push things as far as possible. They left out things that you can immediately find if you start searching around yourself. Compare with the NYT article about that Uranium deal: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.htmlI feel that's a much better article. You can see that it's fair to say that the donations were well intentioned. They explain why that can make sense. The writers could instead have pushed the narrative very far into treason territory, but they were fair so that you can decide yourself.
I don't feel like the Slate article pushed things that far until they started digging into the history of the bank and the relationship between Putin and Aven. But even then I would kind of expect an article like that to explore the bank a bit further as well.
What parts were suggestive? I felt like everything was presented pretty clearly as facts and it even tried making plausible excuses for the activity.
On November 01 2016 12:40 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +
A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump
On Friday, FBI Director James Comey set off a political blast when he informed congressional leaders that the bureau had stumbled across emails that might be pertinent to its completed inquiry into Hillary Clinton's handling of emails when she was secretary of state. The Clinton campaign and others criticized Comey for intervening in a presidential campaign by breaking with Justice Department tradition and revealing information about an investigation—information that was vague and perhaps ultimately irrelevant—so close to Election Day. On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid upped the ante. He sent Comey a fiery letter saying the FBI chief may have broken the law and pointed to a potentially greater controversy: "In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government…The public has a right to know this information."
Reid's missive set off a burst of speculation on Twitter and elsewhere. What was he referring to regarding the Republican presidential nominee? At the end of August, Reid had written to Comey and demanded an investigation of the "connections between the Russian government and Donald Trump's presidential campaign," and in that letter he indirectly referred to Carter Page, an American businessman cited by Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers, who had financial ties to Russia and had recently visited Moscow. Last month, Yahoo News reported that US intelligence officials were probing the links between Page and senior Russian officials. (Page has called accusations against him "garbage.") On Monday, NBC News reported that the FBI has mounted a preliminary inquiry into the foreign business ties of Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chief. But Reid's recent note hinted at more than the Page or Manafort affairs. And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him.
"This is something of huge significance, way above party politics," the former intelligence officer says. "I think [Trump's] own party should be aware of this stuff as well."
Does this mean the FBI is investigating whether Russian intelligence has attempted to develop a secret relationship with Trump or cultivate him as an asset? Was the former intelligence officer and his material deemed credible or not? An FBI spokeswoman says, "Normally, we don't talk about whether we are investigating anything." But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government.
In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump's dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project's financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) "It started off as a fairly general inquiry," says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, "there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."
This was, the former spy remarks, "an extraordinary situation." He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was "sufficiently serious" to share with the FBI.
Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."
The former intelligence officer says the response from the FBI was "shock and horror." The FBI, after receiving the first memo, did not immediately request additional material, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates. Yet in August, they say, the FBI asked him for all information in his possession and for him to explain how the material had been gathered and to identify his sources. The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos—some of which referred to members of Trump's inner circle. After that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. "It's quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry going on," he says.
"This is something of huge significance, way above party politics," the former intelligence officer comments. "I think [Trump's] own party should be aware of this stuff as well."
The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment regarding the memos. In the past, Trump has declared, "I have nothing to do with Russia."
The FBI is certainly investigating the hacks attributed to Russia that have hit American political targets, including the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta, the chairman of Clinton's presidential campaign. But there have been few public signs of whether that probe extends to examining possible contacts between the Russian government and Trump. (In recent weeks, reporters in Washington have pursued anonymous online reports that a computer server related to the Trump Organization engaged in a high level of activity with servers connected to Alfa Bank, the largest private bank in Russia. On Monday, a Slate investigation detailed the pattern of unusual server activity but concluded, "We don't yet know what this [Trump] server was for, but it deserves further explanation." In an email to Mother Jones, Hope Hicks, a Trump campaign spokeswoman, maintains, "The Trump Organization is not sending or receiving any communications from this email server. The Trump Organization has no communication or relationship with this entity or any Russian entity.")
According to several national security experts, there is widespread concern in the US intelligence community that Russian intelligence, via hacks, is aiming to undermine the presidential election—to embarrass the United States and delegitimize its democratic elections. And the hacks appear to have been designed to benefit Trump. In August, Democratic members of the House committee on oversight wrote Comey to ask the FBI to investigate "whether connections between Trump campaign officials and Russian interests may have contributed to these [cyber] attacks in order to interfere with the US. presidential election." In September, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam Schiff, the senior Democrats on, respectively, the Senate and House intelligence committees, issued a joint statement accusing Russia of underhanded meddling: "Based on briefings we have received, we have concluded that the Russian intelligence agencies are making a serious and concerted effort to influence the U.S. election. At the least, this effort is intended to sow doubt about the security of our election and may well be intended to influence the outcomes of the election." The Obama White House has declared Russia the culprit in the hacking capers, expressed outrage, and promised a "proportional" response.
There's no way to tell whether the FBI has confirmed or debunked any of the allegations contained in the former spy's memos. But a Russian intelligence attempt to co-opt or cultivate a presidential candidate would mark an even more serious operation than the hacking.
In the letter Reid sent to Comey on Sunday, he pointed out that months ago he had asked the FBI director to release information on Trump's possible Russia ties. Since then, according to a Reid spokesman, Reid has been briefed several times. The spokesman adds, "He is confident that he knows enough to be extremely alarmed."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump(This was written by the same journalist who publised the 47% tape in 2012, but I'd wait for at least another source before taking it at face value)
should've put the discretion at the top, it sounded really out there. I mean, it wouldn't be surprising if it's true, but this election is really something. hopefully it gets picked up by some bigger people.
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On November 01 2016 12:38 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:35 oBlade wrote:
In the case of Clinton, we have all the evidence, how many emails, classified emails, deleting under subpoena, where the server was, who ran it, who had access, her making up all manner of CYA bullshit about not knowing what (C) means. This is information that came out from federal investigation. In Trump's case we have monsters under the bed. On the other hand, in the case of Clinton there's no real chance that she was actually an operative for another country with whom we're not too friendly right now. With Trump it's a distinct possibility.
You think the big dumb oaf from Queens who has been trying to run for president for 30 years is a Russian agent? When did that happen?
A great feature of early voting is not having to care about these hysterics anymore.
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This election in a nutshell (stolen from Reddit)
This is all rather familiar.
Clinton emails.
Trump admitting sexual assault.
Clinton emails.
Trump charity fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for nuclear proliferation.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for national stop and frisk.
Clinton emails.
Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba.
Clinton emails.
Trump sued over Trump University fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump bribes District Attorney.
Clinton emails.
Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump disparages a gold star family.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to jail his enemies in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to restrict freedom of the press in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US.
Clinton emails.
Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump in court for rape of a minor.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of situation in Syria.
Clinton emails.
Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination.
Clinton emails.
Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times.
Clinton emails.
Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls the most famous American POW a loser for getting caught.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Mexicans rapists.
Clinton emails.
Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage.
Clinton emails.
Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal.
Clinton emails.
Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane.
Clinton emails.
Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse.
Clinton emails.
Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight.
Clinton emails.
Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used.
Clinton emails.
Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists.
Clinton emails.
Trump says women should be punished for having abortions.
Clinton emails.
Trump makes fun of disabled people.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for end of freedom of the press.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax.
Clinton emails.
Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership.
Clinton emails.
Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Obama an illegitimate non-citizen hundreds of times over for 7 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses.
Clinton emails.
Trump first candidate to refuse to release tax returns.
Clinton emails.
Trump says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer.
Clinton emails.
Trump's campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, forcing him to step down and triggering FBI investigation.
Clinton emails.
Trump says election is rigged ... unless he wins.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages followers to commit blatant voter fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages voter intimidation through "poll watchers" in minority precincts.
Clinton emails.
Donald Trump’s companies destroyed emails in defiance of court orders (today)
Clinton emails.
Years later, Trump thinks Central Park Five still guilty, despite DNA evidence to contrary.
Clinton emails.
Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people.
Clinton emails.
Trump is a proven pathological liar.
Clinton emails.
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On November 01 2016 10:06 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 10:03 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 01 2016 09:55 Ropid wrote:On November 01 2016 09:36 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 01 2016 09:33 Sermokala wrote:
I feel really bad for comey though. For all the shit hes going to get for releasing the info about reopening the investigation 11 days before the election he'd be much worse off for releasing that after the election.
And all this started with the conversation between bill clinton and the AG at the airport. He wanted to provide transparency about the process with the impropriety implied by the AG. But he couldn't just go back on that now that more information has come to light after the weiner investigation found more emails. By saying that he wouldn't recommend charges back then he was forced to say that he was reopening the investigation when the new information came no matter how asinine it is.
Crazy election would end with a crazy set of circumstances. Comey has lost credibility and lost control of the FBI. He fucked up hard with his handling of all of this Yeah, but that weird meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch should be important? That should be involved in the first weirdness in July where Comey was the one who recommended to stop the investigation after presenting the first results of it. Normally he should have just made a presentation without recommending anything, and then the DoJ should have published an opinion and ordered the investigation stopped. They couldn't do that because it would have looked rigged so they made Comey look suspicious instead. That meeting could be a meeting between two old freinds, a poorly timed one for sure, but no evidence it was more than that. Lynch doesn't have power to directly control the FBI anyways, as evidenced by this mess. You think they talked about grandkids and yoga for 40 minutes? Given the circumstances?
I always say this to you when you bring it up and I've yet to get a good reply. Lynch said that she wasn't going to get involved due to her position as a political appointment potentially undermining the integrity of the investigation by the implication of partisanship. So she resolved herself to stay out of it, and said as much. Then, a few months later, Bill met with her. People cried out that it was an attempt to influence the process so Lynch again stated that she was not involved.
What exactly is Bill meant to have made her do? Firstly, she didn't do anything other than what she was already doing and secondly, that was staying the fuck out of it. The only possible narrative I see is Bill trying to forcefully eject her from any kind of involvement, public or otherwise, by the implication of meeting her. But what do you see that I don't? How could Hillary benefit from Bill meeting with someone not involved who was resolved to not get involved and forcing them to not involve themselves?
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On November 01 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:38 ChristianS wrote:On November 01 2016 12:35 oBlade wrote:
In the case of Clinton, we have all the evidence, how many emails, classified emails, deleting under subpoena, where the server was, who ran it, who had access, her making up all manner of CYA bullshit about not knowing what (C) means. This is information that came out from federal investigation. In Trump's case we have monsters under the bed. On the other hand, in the case of Clinton there's no real chance that she was actually an operative for another country with whom we're not too friendly right now. With Trump it's a distinct possibility. You think the big dumb oaf from Queens who has been trying to run for president for 30 years is a Russian agent? When did that happen? A great feature of early voting is not having to care about these hysterics anymore.
In theory the 5 year timeline makes sense, it's when he used birtherism to start exploring a presidential bid.
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On November 01 2016 12:53 ticklishmusic wrote:This election in a nutshell (stolen from Reddit) Show nested quote +This is all rather familiar.
Clinton emails.
Trump admitting sexual assault.
Clinton emails.
Trump charity fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for nuclear proliferation.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for national stop and frisk.
Clinton emails.
Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba.
Clinton emails.
Trump sued over Trump University fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump bribes District Attorney.
Clinton emails.
Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump disparages a gold star family.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to jail his enemies in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to restrict freedom of the press in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US.
Clinton emails.
Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump in court for rape of a minor.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of situation in Syria.
Clinton emails.
Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination.
Clinton emails.
Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times.
Clinton emails.
Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls the most famous American POW a loser for getting caught.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Mexicans rapists.
Clinton emails.
Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage.
Clinton emails.
Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal.
Clinton emails.
Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane.
Clinton emails.
Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse.
Clinton emails.
Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight.
Clinton emails.
Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used.
Clinton emails.
Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists.
Clinton emails.
Trump says women should be punished for having abortions.
Clinton emails.
Trump makes fun of disabled people.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for end of freedom of the press.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax.
Clinton emails.
Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership.
Clinton emails.
Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Obama an illegitimate non-citizen hundreds of times over for 7 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses.
Clinton emails.
Trump first candidate to refuse to release tax returns.
Clinton emails.
Trump says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer.
Clinton emails.
Trump's campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, forcing him to step down and triggering FBI investigation.
Clinton emails.
Trump says election is rigged ... unless he wins.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages followers to commit blatant voter fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages voter intimidation through "poll watchers" in minority precincts.
Clinton emails.
Donald Trump’s companies destroyed emails in defiance of court orders (today)
Clinton emails.
Years later, Trump thinks Central Park Five still guilty, despite DNA evidence to contrary.
Clinton emails.
Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people.
Clinton emails.
Trump is a proven pathological liar.
Clinton emails.
What a nasty woman.
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On November 01 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:38 ChristianS wrote:On November 01 2016 12:35 oBlade wrote:
In the case of Clinton, we have all the evidence, how many emails, classified emails, deleting under subpoena, where the server was, who ran it, who had access, her making up all manner of CYA bullshit about not knowing what (C) means. This is information that came out from federal investigation. In Trump's case we have monsters under the bed. On the other hand, in the case of Clinton there's no real chance that she was actually an operative for another country with whom we're not too friendly right now. With Trump it's a distinct possibility. You think the big dumb oaf from Queens who has been trying to run for president for 30 years is a Russian agent? When did that happen? A great feature of early voting is not having to care about these hysterics anymore.
I don't know what he is, like I said the evidence is pretty murky right now. But dismissing evidence of treason on the basis of "C'mon, he's from Queens!" seems pretty absurd to me. All along there have been parts of the Russia stuff that don't add up. If Trump knows as little foreign policy as he seems to, why did his campaign intervene to soften the Republican platform's Ukraine defense stuff? Why did Trump promise to lift sanctions on Russia, when Trump's usual MO is to not promise anything so that he can use it as a bargaining chip in negotiations? Not to mention Paul Manafort's connections to Russia.
And these are just the things I remember off the top of my head. Weren't there other members of the Trump team that had done work for Gazprom or something?
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On November 01 2016 12:53 ticklishmusic wrote:This election in a nutshell (stolen from Reddit) Show nested quote +This is all rather familiar.
Clinton emails.
Trump admitting sexual assault.
Clinton emails.
Trump charity fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for nuclear proliferation.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for national stop and frisk.
Clinton emails.
Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba.
Clinton emails.
Trump sued over Trump University fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump bribes District Attorney.
Clinton emails.
Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump disparages a gold star family.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to jail his enemies in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to restrict freedom of the press in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US.
Clinton emails.
Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump in court for rape of a minor.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of situation in Syria.
Clinton emails.
Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination.
Clinton emails.
Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times.
Clinton emails.
Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls the most famous American POW a loser for getting caught.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Mexicans rapists.
Clinton emails.
Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage.
Clinton emails.
Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal.
Clinton emails.
Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane.
Clinton emails.
Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse.
Clinton emails.
Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight.
Clinton emails.
Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used.
Clinton emails.
Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists.
Clinton emails.
Trump says women should be punished for having abortions.
Clinton emails.
Trump makes fun of disabled people.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for end of freedom of the press.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax.
Clinton emails.
Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership.
Clinton emails.
Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Obama an illegitimate non-citizen hundreds of times over for 7 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses.
Clinton emails.
Trump first candidate to refuse to release tax returns.
Clinton emails.
Trump says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer.
Clinton emails.
Trump's campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, forcing him to step down and triggering FBI investigation.
Clinton emails.
Trump says election is rigged ... unless he wins.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages followers to commit blatant voter fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages voter intimidation through "poll watchers" in minority precincts.
Clinton emails.
Donald Trump’s companies destroyed emails in defiance of court orders (today)
Clinton emails.
Years later, Trump thinks Central Park Five still guilty, despite DNA evidence to contrary.
Clinton emails.
Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people.
Clinton emails.
Trump is a proven pathological liar.
Clinton emails.
That is a quite good, but not exhaustive, list of Trump's outrages. For example, it doesn't have Ivana's rape accusation.
But to be fair, we SHOULD be mentioning Russian Uranium, Morocco and maybe some other possible Clinton Foundation corruption. But that's still unconfirmed, whereas half of Trump's list is on audio and video. Couple of the Trump items are exaggerated though.
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On November 01 2016 12:54 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote:On November 01 2016 12:38 ChristianS wrote:On November 01 2016 12:35 oBlade wrote:
In the case of Clinton, we have all the evidence, how many emails, classified emails, deleting under subpoena, where the server was, who ran it, who had access, her making up all manner of CYA bullshit about not knowing what (C) means. This is information that came out from federal investigation. In Trump's case we have monsters under the bed. On the other hand, in the case of Clinton there's no real chance that she was actually an operative for another country with whom we're not too friendly right now. With Trump it's a distinct possibility. You think the big dumb oaf from Queens who has been trying to run for president for 30 years is a Russian agent? When did that happen? A great feature of early voting is not having to care about these hysterics anymore. In theory the 5 year timeline makes sense, it's when he used birtherism to start exploring a presidential bid.
Can you elaborate what you meant by this? All I can get from it is the suggestion that he only became a Russian agent at age 65 and the evidence for this is using birtherism, as though it were a Putin plot, to try and explode into the election, and I know that couldn't be right.
But you did give me an insight, which is that this phenomenon is virtually birtherism, just in another direction: the guy with a Slovenian wife is secretly working for the Russians (excuse me, he might be secretly working for the Russians, the evidence is unclear and the jury's still out so who knows, I mean, we can't disprove that he's working for the Russians so that ought to count for something), which is progress of a kind from thinking the half-black guy is a secret Muslim.
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On November 01 2016 12:55 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote:On November 01 2016 12:38 ChristianS wrote:On November 01 2016 12:35 oBlade wrote:
In the case of Clinton, we have all the evidence, how many emails, classified emails, deleting under subpoena, where the server was, who ran it, who had access, her making up all manner of CYA bullshit about not knowing what (C) means. This is information that came out from federal investigation. In Trump's case we have monsters under the bed. On the other hand, in the case of Clinton there's no real chance that she was actually an operative for another country with whom we're not too friendly right now. With Trump it's a distinct possibility. You think the big dumb oaf from Queens who has been trying to run for president for 30 years is a Russian agent? When did that happen? A great feature of early voting is not having to care about these hysterics anymore. I don't know what he is, like I said the evidence is pretty murky right now. But dismissing evidence of treason on the basis of "C'mon, he's from Queens!" seems pretty absurd to me. All along there have been parts of the Russia stuff that don't add up. If Trump knows as little foreign policy as he seems to, why did his campaign intervene to soften the Republican platform's Ukraine defense stuff? Why did Trump promise to lift sanctions on Russia, when Trump's usual MO is to not promise anything so that he can use it as a bargaining chip in negotiations? Not to mention Paul Manafort's connections to Russia. And these are just the things I remember off the top of my head. Weren't there other members of the Trump team that had done work for Gazprom or something?
Carter Page is under FBI investigation for allegedly initiating back channel talks with Russians regarding the lifting of sanctions. Trump named Carter Page on TV as a FP advisor, but it's possible Mr. Page is actually just a nobody and there isn't much to the story other than him trying to profit off of Trump naming him so publicly.
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On November 01 2016 12:14 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:On November 01 2016 11:47 oBlade wrote:Amid multiple reports drawing different connections between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia Monday night, the New York Times reported that FBI officials' investigations of the GOP nominee have yet to confirm ties between the two.
FBI officials said their investigations have yet to find a connection between the GOP presidential nominee and Russia.
The bureau has been investigating the Russian government’s role in the U.S. presidential election. But the FBI believes that the country was likely trying to disrupt the overall race, and not trying boost Trump’s chance of getting elected.
The Monday night report comes after CNBC reported earlier in the day that FBI Director James Comey argued against accusing Russia of interfering in the election due to the timing, and because he did not want the accusation against Russia to come from his agency.
And Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) alleged earlier in the day that the FBI has “explosive information” about a connection between the two, suggesting federal investigators have “explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors and the Russian government” and must make it public. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303705-us-officials-see-no-link-between-trump-and-russia-reporthttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html It's pretty funny that the FBI concluding that there "could be an innocuous explanation" for sketchy server traffic they spent weeks investigating indicts Trump less than declining to charge Clinton did for conservatives. I can't help but wonder what weeks of this investigation in the news alongside leaks from Wikileaks related to it would have done for the campaign. On November 01 2016 11:57 Ropid wrote:
I guess the Slate article is simply garbage. If you look at the whois info, there's even a typo in the "Trump Orgainzation" entry. Why wasn't it mentioned that there's a second set of data with that Cendyn business and the mail contact also leading there? They wrote their stuff as if this is about a server sitting somewhere in Trump Tower. Yeah, I think you're blowing that out your ass. The Slate article basically copied exactly what the FBI did...and concluded the exact same thing...so they're at least as functional as the FBI. They just aren't willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Do you approach that story about Clinton as Secretary of State giving the go-ahead to sell Uranium to Russia after the Clinton Foundation had been wired a hundred million dollars from several Russian donors the same? Russia recently proudly presented their new Satan II nukes which is why they were shopping around for materials a few years ago.
Dude. You didn't read any part of that story.
Here's the rundown.
1) Clinton didn't authorize it. Like 12 government departments and a dozen other independent agencies signed off on it.
2) No uranium was sold. No export license has been granted and will be granted. No American uranium is leaving to go to Russia, it's just not true.
3) No money came from Russia to the Clinton Foundation. The alleged bribe was made in like 2006 by the guy who founded the company who divested himself of all interest in the company in the late 2000s. The timeline is a nonsense, it's fodder for retards and hopefully you don't want to fall in that description. Bush was in power when this guy allegedly bribed Clinton to sign off on a sale that didn't exist yet for a company he wouldn't own a share in when the deal was conceived.
4) The "uranium" in this story is a mining company with international holdings, mostly in the former Soviet Union. It was purchased for those, the American assets are no use to them because, as I mentioned, no export license.
5) The US is not a uranium exporting nation. It doesn't produce uranium. Nobody is going to the US to try and get supplies of uranium, the US imports uranium from other countries that produce it.
6) The donors weren't Russian.
7) The donation was made long before Clinton became SoS.
8) The purchase wasn't within Clinton's power as SoS to authorize.
That entire scandal is basically a "are you a fucking moron" test. If you repeat it verbatim the way you just did, well, let's just say you didn't pass the test. Someone goes onto facebook and they put the words "Russia", "uranium" and "Clinton Foundation" in some random forward that people who don't know any better will like and share because they don't know enough to make even the slightest effort to verify the things their racist redneck cousin shares.
You should feel ashamed. And then you should take that shame and use it to better yourself.
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On November 01 2016 13:03 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:54 Doodsmack wrote:On November 01 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote:On November 01 2016 12:38 ChristianS wrote:On November 01 2016 12:35 oBlade wrote:
In the case of Clinton, we have all the evidence, how many emails, classified emails, deleting under subpoena, where the server was, who ran it, who had access, her making up all manner of CYA bullshit about not knowing what (C) means. This is information that came out from federal investigation. In Trump's case we have monsters under the bed. On the other hand, in the case of Clinton there's no real chance that she was actually an operative for another country with whom we're not too friendly right now. With Trump it's a distinct possibility. You think the big dumb oaf from Queens who has been trying to run for president for 30 years is a Russian agent? When did that happen? A great feature of early voting is not having to care about these hysterics anymore. In theory the 5 year timeline makes sense, it's when he used birtherism to start exploring a presidential bid. Can you elaborate what you meant by this? All I can get from it is the suggestion that he only became a Russian agent at age 65 and the evidence for this is using birtherism, as though it were a Putin plot, to try and explode into the election, and I know that couldn't be right. But you did give me an insight, which is that this phenomenon is virtually birtherism, just in another direction: the guy with a Slovenian wife is secretly working for the Russians (excuse me, he might be secretly working for the Russians, the evidence is unclear and the jury's still out so who knows, I mean, we can't disprove that he's working for the Russians so that ought to count for something), which is progress of a kind from thinking the half-black guy is a secret Muslim.
Just saying it would theoretically make sense that Russia would begin attempting to cultivate him 5 years ago, when he began real presidential aspirations (according to this alleged former spy, shit started going down 5 years ago). So birtherism was on his own but then Russia capitalized. At least that's the first layer of the conspiracy; ultimately the Illuminati are pulling all the strings, of course.
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One of those in ticklish's list stood out that I haven't seen before
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html
Donald Trump’s Companies Destroyed Emails in Defiance of Court Orders
Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records.
This behavior is of particular import given Trump’s frequent condemnations of Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent, for having deleted more than 30,000 emails from a server she used during her time as secretary of state. While Clinton and her lawyers have said all of those emails were personal, Trump has suggested repeatedly on the campaign trail that they were government documents Clinton was trying to hide and that destroying them constituted a crime. The allegation—which the FBI concluded was not supported by any evidence—is a crowd-pleaser at Trump rallies, often greeted by supporters chanting, “Lock her up!”
Shortly after the government filed its case in October, Trump attacked: He falsely declared to reporters that the feds had no evidence he and his father discriminated against minorities, but instead were attempting to force them to lease to welfare recipients who couldn’t pay their rent.
The family’s attempts to slow down the federal case were at times nonsensical. Trump submitted an affidavit contending that the government had engaged in some unspecified wrongdoing by releasing statements to the press on the day it brought the case without first having any “formal communications” with him; he contended that he’d learned of the complaint only while listening to his car radio that morning. But Trump’s sworn statement was a lie. Court records show that the government had filed its complaint at 10 a.m. and phoned him almost immediately afterward. The government later notified the media with a press release.
Prosecutors responded to Trump’s affidavit by showing he had fudged his claim by using the term “formal communication”—an acknowledgment, they said, that he had received what only he would characterize as an informal notification—which they described as an intentional effort to mislead the court and the public. But the allegation slowed the case; it required government lawyers to appear in court to shoot down Trump’s false charge.
The Trumps had more delaying tactics. Trump announced in a press conference that his family and their company were bringing a $100 million countersuit against the government for libel; anonymous tenants and community leaders, he said, had been calling and writing letters expressing shock at the government’s “outrageous lies.” Once again, motions, replies and hearings followed. Once again, the court threw out the Trump allegations.
For months, the Trumps ignored the government’s discovery demands, even though court procedure in a civil or criminal case requires each side to produce relevant documents in a timely manner. This allows for the plaintiffs or prosecutors to develop more evidence in support of their claims, as well as for the defense to gather proof to fight the case against them. When litigation is filed or even contemplated, scrupulous lawyers and corporations immediately impose document-retention programs or require that any shredding or disposing of records be halted. Courts have handed down severe sanctions or even criminal charges of obstruction of justice against executives and companies that destroyed records because they knew they were going to be sued.
Yet when the government filed its standard discovery requests, the Trumps reacted as though seeking that information was outrageous. They argued in court that prosecutors had no case and wanted to riffle through corporate files on a fishing expedition. Once again, this led to more delays, more replies, more hearings...and another specious argument thrown out of court.
Six months after the original filing, the case was nowhere because the Trumps had repeatedly ignored the deadlines to produce records and answers to questions, known as interrogatories. When a government attorney finally telephoned a Trump lawyer to find out why, he was told the Trumps had not even begun preparing their answers and had no plans to do so. The Trumps also postponed and blocked depositions, refused to provide a description of their records, as required, and would not turn over any documents.
Finally, under subpoena, Trump appeared for a short deposition. When asked about the missing documents, he made a shocking admission: The Trumps had been destroying their corporate records for the previous six months and had no document-retention program. They had conducted no inspections to determine which files might have been sought in the discovery requests or might otherwise be related to the case. Instead, in order to “save space,” Trump testified, officials with his company had been tossing documents into the shredder and garbage.
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I mean, it's a smart business strategy since he's gotten away with it...
On November 01 2016 13:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:14 Ropid wrote:On November 01 2016 12:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:On November 01 2016 11:47 oBlade wrote:Amid multiple reports drawing different connections between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia Monday night, the New York Times reported that FBI officials' investigations of the GOP nominee have yet to confirm ties between the two.
FBI officials said their investigations have yet to find a connection between the GOP presidential nominee and Russia.
The bureau has been investigating the Russian government’s role in the U.S. presidential election. But the FBI believes that the country was likely trying to disrupt the overall race, and not trying boost Trump’s chance of getting elected.
The Monday night report comes after CNBC reported earlier in the day that FBI Director James Comey argued against accusing Russia of interfering in the election due to the timing, and because he did not want the accusation against Russia to come from his agency.
And Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) alleged earlier in the day that the FBI has “explosive information” about a connection between the two, suggesting federal investigators have “explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors and the Russian government” and must make it public. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303705-us-officials-see-no-link-between-trump-and-russia-reporthttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html It's pretty funny that the FBI concluding that there "could be an innocuous explanation" for sketchy server traffic they spent weeks investigating indicts Trump less than declining to charge Clinton did for conservatives. I can't help but wonder what weeks of this investigation in the news alongside leaks from Wikileaks related to it would have done for the campaign. On November 01 2016 11:57 Ropid wrote:
I guess the Slate article is simply garbage. If you look at the whois info, there's even a typo in the "Trump Orgainzation" entry. Why wasn't it mentioned that there's a second set of data with that Cendyn business and the mail contact also leading there? They wrote their stuff as if this is about a server sitting somewhere in Trump Tower. Yeah, I think you're blowing that out your ass. The Slate article basically copied exactly what the FBI did...and concluded the exact same thing...so they're at least as functional as the FBI. They just aren't willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Do you approach that story about Clinton as Secretary of State giving the go-ahead to sell Uranium to Russia after the Clinton Foundation had been wired a hundred million dollars from several Russian donors the same? Russia recently proudly presented their new Satan II nukes which is why they were shopping around for materials a few years ago. Dude. You didn't read any part of that story. Here's the rundown. 1) Clinton didn't authorize it. Like 12 government departments and a dozen other independent agencies signed off on it. 2) No uranium was sold. No export license has been granted and will be granted. No American uranium is leaving to go to Russia, it's just not true. 3) No money came from Russia to the Clinton Foundation. The alleged bribe was made in like 2006 by the guy who founded the company who divested himself of all interest in the company in the late 2000s. The timeline is a nonsense, it's fodder for retards and hopefully you don't want to fall in that description. Bush was in power when this guy allegedly bribed Clinton to sign off on a sale that didn't exist yet for a company he wouldn't own a share in when the deal was conceived. 4) The "uranium" in this story is a mining company with international holdings, mostly in the former Soviet Union. It was purchased for those, the American assets are no use to them because, as I mentioned, no export license. 5) The US is not a uranium exporting nation. It doesn't produce uranium. Nobody is going to the US to try and get supplies of uranium, the US imports uranium from other countries that produce it. 6) The donors weren't Russian. 7) The donation was made long before Clinton became SoS. 8) The purchase wasn't within Clinton's power as SoS to authorize. That entire scandal is basically a "are you a fucking moron" test. If you repeat it verbatim the way you just did, well, let's just say you didn't pass the test. Someone goes onto facebook and they put the words "Russia", "uranium" and "Clinton Foundation" in some random forward that people who don't know any better will like and share because they don't know enough to make even the slightest effort to verify the things their racist redneck cousin shares. You should feel ashamed. And then you should take that shame and use it to better yourself.
I was going to respond to Ropid as well but I think that Ropid was taking the stance that we shouldn't be accepting left bias articles just like we don't accept right bias articles. At least, that's what I think he was doing. But yeah the uranium scandal is bogus smearing.
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So to what extent to people believe that organizations doing business with companies that reside in foreign countries is suspect and indicative of treason?
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On November 01 2016 13:03 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 12:54 Doodsmack wrote:On November 01 2016 12:44 oBlade wrote:On November 01 2016 12:38 ChristianS wrote:On November 01 2016 12:35 oBlade wrote:
In the case of Clinton, we have all the evidence, how many emails, classified emails, deleting under subpoena, where the server was, who ran it, who had access, her making up all manner of CYA bullshit about not knowing what (C) means. This is information that came out from federal investigation. In Trump's case we have monsters under the bed. On the other hand, in the case of Clinton there's no real chance that she was actually an operative for another country with whom we're not too friendly right now. With Trump it's a distinct possibility. You think the big dumb oaf from Queens who has been trying to run for president for 30 years is a Russian agent? When did that happen? A great feature of early voting is not having to care about these hysterics anymore. In theory the 5 year timeline makes sense, it's when he used birtherism to start exploring a presidential bid. Can you elaborate what you meant by this? All I can get from it is the suggestion that he only became a Russian agent at age 65 and the evidence for this is using birtherism, as though it were a Putin plot, to try and explode into the election, and I know that couldn't be right. But you did give me an insight, which is that this phenomenon is virtually birtherism, just in another direction: the guy with a Slovenian wife is secretly working for the Russians (excuse me, he might be secretly working for the Russians, the evidence is unclear and the jury's still out so who knows, I mean, we can't disprove that he's working for the Russians so that ought to count for something), which is progress of a kind from thinking the half-black guy is a secret Muslim.
This guy who vacillates between claiming to know Putin and having no idea who Putin is, intervened to change one policy platform at the convention related to Russian interests, and directly contradicts his U.S. intelligence briefings about Russia to the public is the main thing. Not the Slovenian wife.
Like if Obama got on his knees facing east three times a day spontaneously and made a big stink about pork, I would be more okay with the secret Muslim angle.
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On November 01 2016 13:11 Blisse wrote:One of those in ticklish's list stood out that I haven't seen before http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html+ Show Spoiler +Donald Trump’s Companies Destroyed Emails in Defiance of Court Orders
Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records.
This behavior is of particular import given Trump’s frequent condemnations of Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent, for having deleted more than 30,000 emails from a server she used during her time as secretary of state. While Clinton and her lawyers have said all of those emails were personal, Trump has suggested repeatedly on the campaign trail that they were government documents Clinton was trying to hide and that destroying them constituted a crime. The allegation—which the FBI concluded was not supported by any evidence—is a crowd-pleaser at Trump rallies, often greeted by supporters chanting, “Lock her up!”
Shortly after the government filed its case in October, Trump attacked: He falsely declared to reporters that the feds had no evidence he and his father discriminated against minorities, but instead were attempting to force them to lease to welfare recipients who couldn’t pay their rent.
The family’s attempts to slow down the federal case were at times nonsensical. Trump submitted an affidavit contending that the government had engaged in some unspecified wrongdoing by releasing statements to the press on the day it brought the case without first having any “formal communications” with him; he contended that he’d learned of the complaint only while listening to his car radio that morning. But Trump’s sworn statement was a lie. Court records show that the government had filed its complaint at 10 a.m. and phoned him almost immediately afterward. The government later notified the media with a press release.
Prosecutors responded to Trump’s affidavit by showing he had fudged his claim by using the term “formal communication”—an acknowledgment, they said, that he had received what only he would characterize as an informal notification—which they described as an intentional effort to mislead the court and the public. But the allegation slowed the case; it required government lawyers to appear in court to shoot down Trump’s false charge.
The Trumps had more delaying tactics. Trump announced in a press conference that his family and their company were bringing a $100 million countersuit against the government for libel; anonymous tenants and community leaders, he said, had been calling and writing letters expressing shock at the government’s “outrageous lies.” Once again, motions, replies and hearings followed. Once again, the court threw out the Trump allegations.
For months, the Trumps ignored the government’s discovery demands, even though court procedure in a civil or criminal case requires each side to produce relevant documents in a timely manner. This allows for the plaintiffs or prosecutors to develop more evidence in support of their claims, as well as for the defense to gather proof to fight the case against them. When litigation is filed or even contemplated, scrupulous lawyers and corporations immediately impose document-retention programs or require that any shredding or disposing of records be halted. Courts have handed down severe sanctions or even criminal charges of obstruction of justice against executives and companies that destroyed records because they knew they were going to be sued.
Yet when the government filed its standard discovery requests, the Trumps reacted as though seeking that information was outrageous. They argued in court that prosecutors had no case and wanted to riffle through corporate files on a fishing expedition. Once again, this led to more delays, more replies, more hearings...and another specious argument thrown out of court.
Six months after the original filing, the case was nowhere because the Trumps had repeatedly ignored the deadlines to produce records and answers to questions, known as interrogatories. When a government attorney finally telephoned a Trump lawyer to find out why, he was told the Trumps had not even begun preparing their answers and had no plans to do so. The Trumps also postponed and blocked depositions, refused to provide a description of their records, as required, and would not turn over any documents.
Finally, under subpoena, Trump appeared for a short deposition. When asked about the missing documents, he made a shocking admission: The Trumps had been destroying their corporate records for the previous six months and had no document-retention program. They had conducted no inspections to determine which files might have been sought in the discovery requests or might otherwise be related to the case. Instead, in order to “save space,” Trump testified, officials with his company had been tossing documents into the shredder and garbage.
... I mean, it's a smart business strategy since he's gotten away with it... Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 13:06 KwarK wrote:On November 01 2016 12:14 Ropid wrote:On November 01 2016 12:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:On November 01 2016 11:47 oBlade wrote:Amid multiple reports drawing different connections between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia Monday night, the New York Times reported that FBI officials' investigations of the GOP nominee have yet to confirm ties between the two.
FBI officials said their investigations have yet to find a connection between the GOP presidential nominee and Russia.
The bureau has been investigating the Russian government’s role in the U.S. presidential election. But the FBI believes that the country was likely trying to disrupt the overall race, and not trying boost Trump’s chance of getting elected.
The Monday night report comes after CNBC reported earlier in the day that FBI Director James Comey argued against accusing Russia of interfering in the election due to the timing, and because he did not want the accusation against Russia to come from his agency.
And Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) alleged earlier in the day that the FBI has “explosive information” about a connection between the two, suggesting federal investigators have “explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors and the Russian government” and must make it public. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303705-us-officials-see-no-link-between-trump-and-russia-reporthttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html It's pretty funny that the FBI concluding that there "could be an innocuous explanation" for sketchy server traffic they spent weeks investigating indicts Trump less than declining to charge Clinton did for conservatives. I can't help but wonder what weeks of this investigation in the news alongside leaks from Wikileaks related to it would have done for the campaign. On November 01 2016 11:57 Ropid wrote:
I guess the Slate article is simply garbage. If you look at the whois info, there's even a typo in the "Trump Orgainzation" entry. Why wasn't it mentioned that there's a second set of data with that Cendyn business and the mail contact also leading there? They wrote their stuff as if this is about a server sitting somewhere in Trump Tower. Yeah, I think you're blowing that out your ass. The Slate article basically copied exactly what the FBI did...and concluded the exact same thing...so they're at least as functional as the FBI. They just aren't willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Do you approach that story about Clinton as Secretary of State giving the go-ahead to sell Uranium to Russia after the Clinton Foundation had been wired a hundred million dollars from several Russian donors the same? Russia recently proudly presented their new Satan II nukes which is why they were shopping around for materials a few years ago. Dude. You didn't read any part of that story. Here's the rundown. 1) Clinton didn't authorize it. Like 12 government departments and a dozen other independent agencies signed off on it. 2) No uranium was sold. No export license has been granted and will be granted. No American uranium is leaving to go to Russia, it's just not true. 3) No money came from Russia to the Clinton Foundation. The alleged bribe was made in like 2006 by the guy who founded the company who divested himself of all interest in the company in the late 2000s. The timeline is a nonsense, it's fodder for retards and hopefully you don't want to fall in that description. Bush was in power when this guy allegedly bribed Clinton to sign off on a sale that didn't exist yet for a company he wouldn't own a share in when the deal was conceived. 4) The "uranium" in this story is a mining company with international holdings, mostly in the former Soviet Union. It was purchased for those, the American assets are no use to them because, as I mentioned, no export license. 5) The US is not a uranium exporting nation. It doesn't produce uranium. Nobody is going to the US to try and get supplies of uranium, the US imports uranium from other countries that produce it. 6) The donors weren't Russian. 7) The donation was made long before Clinton became SoS. 8) The purchase wasn't within Clinton's power as SoS to authorize. That entire scandal is basically a "are you a fucking moron" test. If you repeat it verbatim the way you just did, well, let's just say you didn't pass the test. Someone goes onto facebook and they put the words "Russia", "uranium" and "Clinton Foundation" in some random forward that people who don't know any better will like and share because they don't know enough to make even the slightest effort to verify the things their racist redneck cousin shares. You should feel ashamed. And then you should take that shame and use it to better yourself. I was going to respond to Ropid as well but I think that Ropid was taking the stance that we shouldn't be accepting left bias articles just like we don't accept right bias articles. At least, that's what I think he was doing. But yeah the uranium scandal is bogus smearing.
If he was then Ropid, sorry for going off on you, it looked like you really believed something so patently untrue that nobody should believe it. We cool?
If he wasn't then I stand by every word!
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Regardless of the veracity of the claims against Trump, it's quite funny how we can go from accusing Trump of McCarthyism to collaborating with the Russians overnight.
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On November 01 2016 13:16 TheYango wrote:
Regardless of the veracity of the claims against Trump, it's quite funny how we can go from accusing Trump of McCarthyism to collaborating with the Russians overnight.
It's almost like McCarthyism is less about what the people you smear believe and more about how you smear them.
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On November 01 2016 12:53 ticklishmusic wrote:This election in a nutshell (stolen from Reddit) Show nested quote +This is all rather familiar.
Clinton emails.
Trump admitting sexual assault.
Clinton emails.
Trump charity fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for nuclear proliferation.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for national stop and frisk.
Clinton emails.
Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba.
Clinton emails.
Trump sued over Trump University fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump bribes District Attorney.
Clinton emails.
Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump disparages a gold star family.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to jail his enemies in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump threatens to restrict freedom of the press in fascistic style.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US.
Clinton emails.
Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump in court for rape of a minor.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation.
Clinton emails.
Trump unaware of situation in Syria.
Clinton emails.
Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination.
Clinton emails.
Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times.
Clinton emails.
Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls the most famous American POW a loser for getting caught.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Mexicans rapists.
Clinton emails.
Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage.
Clinton emails.
Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal.
Clinton emails.
Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane.
Clinton emails.
Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse.
Clinton emails.
Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight.
Clinton emails.
Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used.
Clinton emails.
Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists.
Clinton emails.
Trump says women should be punished for having abortions.
Clinton emails.
Trump makes fun of disabled people.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls for end of freedom of the press.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax.
Clinton emails.
Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership.
Clinton emails.
Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate.
Clinton emails.
Trump calls Obama an illegitimate non-citizen hundreds of times over for 7 years.
Clinton emails.
Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses.
Clinton emails.
Trump first candidate to refuse to release tax returns.
Clinton emails.
Trump says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer.
Clinton emails.
Trump's campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, forcing him to step down and triggering FBI investigation.
Clinton emails.
Trump says election is rigged ... unless he wins.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages followers to commit blatant voter fraud.
Clinton emails.
Trump encourages voter intimidation through "poll watchers" in minority precincts.
Clinton emails.
Donald Trump’s companies destroyed emails in defiance of court orders (today)
Clinton emails.
Years later, Trump thinks Central Park Five still guilty, despite DNA evidence to contrary.
Clinton emails.
Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people.
Clinton emails.
Trump is a proven pathological liar.
Clinton emails.
Benghazi
Multi millions in Donations from Saudi Arabia
Health concerns
Super predators
Bill Clinton rape allegations
DNC collaboration to deny Sanders nomination
Hosts giving Clinton debate questions ahead of time
Media bias toward Clinton in both the primary and general
Haiti
Plus far more that will come out shortly 
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