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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44382 Posts
October 29 2016 00:49 GMT
#116141
On October 29 2016 09:48 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 09:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 29 2016 08:28 Plansix wrote:
Keep wishing, because if there was any juice behind those emails, they would be out by now. October Surprise is best served in early October.

FBI reopening their investigation into Hillary Clinton less than two weeks from the election is a massive October surprise.This is history in the making.Unless the democrats can dish some big dirt on Trump before the poll this thing is all over.She's done.


How much ya wanna bet?

He always refuses to put his money where his mouth is with his predictions. He'll say you have a gambling problem and make another equally absurd prediction. We've been on this ride before. Nettles says something retarded, refuses to defend it, watches reality make a fool of him again and then pretends it never happened as he says something new retarded.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
October 29 2016 00:50 GMT
#116142
On October 29 2016 08:55 Danglars wrote:
Hillary's presser on new emails



Thanks for the video. She didn't sound too stressed out. She seemed kind of annoyed/amused. One reporter said "E-MALL" instead of "E-MAIL" which I found funny.

She's probably right though that most people have way already made up their minds. If you were going to spin something this ambiguous in an anti-Hillary light then you were already going to be anti-Hillary.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44382 Posts
October 29 2016 00:52 GMT
#116143
/r/The_Donald

Trump is going to destroy her with this in the 4th debate.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 29 2016 00:53 GMT
#116144
On October 29 2016 09:12 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 09:04 Danglars wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:01 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On October 29 2016 08:48 Danglars wrote:
On October 29 2016 08:02 Plansix wrote:
A special reminder that George W Bush and his administration deleted 22 million emails, mostly relating to the lead up to the Iraq war. Weirdly Republicans are not very invested into looking into that. And Bush's SOS used a private email account for all his communication. And again, no one seems to mind or even bother looking into it.

Give me the FBI investigation, sources, and the prosecutor or investigator that said it hinged on intent.


From Comey in July:

He pointed to the 1917 statute "that on its face, makes it a crime, a felony, for someone to engage in gross negligence. So that would appear to say, well maybe in that circumstance you don't need to prove they knew they were doing something that was unlawful. Maybe it's enough to prove that they were just really, really careless, beyond a resonable doubt."

But Comey noted that at the time Congress passed the law in 1917, "there was a lot of concern in the House and the Senate about whether that was going to violate the American tradition of requiring that before you're going to lock somebody up, you prove they knew they were doing something wrong. And so there was a lot of concern when the statute was passed.

"As best I can tell, the Department of Justice has used it once in the 99 years since, reflecting that same concern," he said.

"I know from 30 years with the Department of Justice, they have grave concerns about whether it's appropriate to prosecute somebody for gross negligence, which is why they've done it once that I know of, in a case involving espionage.

"And so when I look at the facts we gathered here, as I said, I see evidence of great carelessness, but I do not see evidence that's sufficient to establish that Secretary Clinton or those with whom she was corresponding both talked about classified information on email and knew when they did it that they were doing something that was against the law.

"So given that assessment of the facts, and my understanding of the law, my conclusion was and remains, no reasonable proseuctor would bring this case. No reasonable prosecutor would bring the second case in 100 years focused on gross negligence."

Comey told the committee, "That's just the way it is."

"I know the Department of Justice, I know no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case. I know a lot of my former friends are out there saying they would. I wonder where they were in the last 40 years, because I'd like to see the cases they brought on gross negligence. Nobody would, nobody did."


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/comey-nobody-uses-1917-law-making-gross-negligence-crime

Yes that certainly is a source for Bush and his Plansix Woodward's 22 million! You know, you can save time and energy not quoting my post when you want to talk about something totally different.


Then what hinging intent are you talking about? I endlessly hear about the HRC investigation "doesn't hinge on intent" so I figured you mean that. What about the deleted Bush emails involves intent?

Lol. Do I have to hold your hand the whole way? If we have a real source for the quoted section (and if you still haven't read it, read it now please), it would be of immediate interest if there was an FBI investigation that terminated upon finding no intent.

Since I'm only now hearing about it, I find it more likely it has no bearing whatsoever regarding unauthorized handling of classified emails or the federal records act.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 29 2016 00:54 GMT
#116145
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 29 2016 00:56 GMT
#116146
On October 29 2016 09:50 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 08:55 Danglars wrote:
Hillary's presser on new emails
https://twitter.com/JoePerticone/status/792144372221485056


Thanks for the video. She didn't sound too stressed out. She seemed kind of annoyed/amused. One reporter said "E-MALL" instead of "E-MAIL" which I found funny.

She's probably right though that most people have way already made up their minds. If you were going to spin something this ambiguous in an anti-Hillary light then you were already going to be anti-Hillary.

Hillary supporters will spin it to mean she did well, Trump supporters will say the opposite. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44382 Posts
October 29 2016 00:56 GMT
#116147
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 29 2016 00:57 GMT
#116148
On October 29 2016 09:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado
Question.?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
October 29 2016 01:00 GMT
#116149
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.


what was wrong with the press conference lol
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 29 2016 01:00 GMT
#116150
On October 29 2016 09:57 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 09:56 KwarK wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado


Maine isnt in play, 1 district in Maine is in play because they allocate proportionally and that 1 electoral college vote does not help.

Colorado and NH are REALLY hard to flip. NH is an interesting bet but the problem is she is up about 6-8 points there and not a lot of undecided so he needs to move the needle a LOT in 10 days to do it there and the situation in CO is if anything worse.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 29 2016 01:02 GMT
#116151
On October 29 2016 10:00 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.


what was wrong with the press conference lol


Might need to clear up those clinton goggles. It was 4 minutes. 2 minutes for her speech and then 2 minutes for not answering any questions in her usual fashion. That isn't how transparency looks.
Question.?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 01:06:40
October 29 2016 01:03 GMT
#116152
On October 29 2016 09:53 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 09:12 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:04 Danglars wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:01 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On October 29 2016 08:48 Danglars wrote:
On October 29 2016 08:02 Plansix wrote:
A special reminder that George W Bush and his administration deleted 22 million emails, mostly relating to the lead up to the Iraq war. Weirdly Republicans are not very invested into looking into that. And Bush's SOS used a private email account for all his communication. And again, no one seems to mind or even bother looking into it.

Give me the FBI investigation, sources, and the prosecutor or investigator that said it hinged on intent.


From Comey in July:

He pointed to the 1917 statute "that on its face, makes it a crime, a felony, for someone to engage in gross negligence. So that would appear to say, well maybe in that circumstance you don't need to prove they knew they were doing something that was unlawful. Maybe it's enough to prove that they were just really, really careless, beyond a resonable doubt."

But Comey noted that at the time Congress passed the law in 1917, "there was a lot of concern in the House and the Senate about whether that was going to violate the American tradition of requiring that before you're going to lock somebody up, you prove they knew they were doing something wrong. And so there was a lot of concern when the statute was passed.

"As best I can tell, the Department of Justice has used it once in the 99 years since, reflecting that same concern," he said.

"I know from 30 years with the Department of Justice, they have grave concerns about whether it's appropriate to prosecute somebody for gross negligence, which is why they've done it once that I know of, in a case involving espionage.

"And so when I look at the facts we gathered here, as I said, I see evidence of great carelessness, but I do not see evidence that's sufficient to establish that Secretary Clinton or those with whom she was corresponding both talked about classified information on email and knew when they did it that they were doing something that was against the law.

"So given that assessment of the facts, and my understanding of the law, my conclusion was and remains, no reasonable proseuctor would bring this case. No reasonable prosecutor would bring the second case in 100 years focused on gross negligence."

Comey told the committee, "That's just the way it is."

"I know the Department of Justice, I know no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case. I know a lot of my former friends are out there saying they would. I wonder where they were in the last 40 years, because I'd like to see the cases they brought on gross negligence. Nobody would, nobody did."


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/comey-nobody-uses-1917-law-making-gross-negligence-crime

Yes that certainly is a source for Bush and his Plansix Woodward's 22 million! You know, you can save time and energy not quoting my post when you want to talk about something totally different.


Then what hinging intent are you talking about? I endlessly hear about the HRC investigation "doesn't hinge on intent" so I figured you mean that. What about the deleted Bush emails involves intent?

Lol. Do I have to hold your hand the whole way? If we have a real source for the quoted section (and if you still haven't read it, read it now please), it would be of immediate interest if there was an FBI investigation that terminated upon finding no intent.

Since I'm only now hearing about it, I find it more likely it has no bearing whatsoever regarding unauthorized handling of classified emails or the federal records act.




all the sources are a bit old and no one cares and I can't find charges but this is from a little googling, seems extremely similar/relevant to Hillary's emails scandal.

Vice President Dick Cheney’s office destroyed its emails, in violation of the requirements of the federal records act and potentially criminal law, for the following days:

September 12, 2003: The day on which the headlines in the New York Times read “federal appeals court in Washington yesterday rejected the Bush administration’s effort to avoid releasing documents about Vice President Cheney Energy Task Force.”

October 1, 2003: The day on which the Solicitor General argued to the Supreme Court that Vice President Cheney was entitled to keep all the details concerning his meetings with oil executives and their influence in his formulation of national energy policy confidential, including the names of the participants.

October 2, 2003: The day on which senior Congressional Republicans began a rewrite of key energy legislation behind closed doors and without involvement of Democrats—but potentially with the involvement of Vice President Cheney and oil executives involved in his secret energy task force.

October 3, 2003: The Senate approved a requirement that all future contracts to rebuild Iraq be granted on an open and competitive basis after airing open criticism on the closed and controversial process that resulted in multi-billion dollar noncompetitive contract awards to subsidiaries of Halliburton, the company which Vice President Cheney headed before he assumed office, and from which, under a deferred compensation agreement, he continues to receive more compensation than he receives from the Treasury for his services as vice president.

October 5, 2003: Publication of the findings of a task force studying the development of the Iraqi oil industry and its potential for funding the costs of the occupation of Iraq.

January 29, 2004: David A. Kay, the former chief American weapons inspector in Iraq, called for an independent inquiry into pre-war intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s weapons programs as skepticism about the administration’s claims about Iraqi WMD grows.

January 30, 2004: President Bush opposes an independent investigation of intelligence failures surrounding Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction stockpiles despite increasing demands for one by some U.S. lawmakers.

January 31, 2004: Press reports focus on building speculation that an independent commission will be created to look into the White House’s basis for claims that Iraq had WMDs, accusations which were consistently led by Vice President Cheney.

February 15, 2005: Citing the threat exemplified by 9/11, President Bush urges Congress to re-authorize the Patriot Act.

February 16, 2005: An appeals court orders that two reporters who have refused to testify about their conversations with confidential sources regarding the leak that exposed the identification of CIA agent Valerie Plame should be held in contempt. It would later be revealed that both had conversations with members of Vice President Cheney’s staff.

May 23, 2005: Calls mount for the resignation of Tom Delay pending the outcome of an investigation into ethical violations. The Congressional and criminal investigation into Jack Abramoff widens to include long-time associate and fellow architect of the Republican takeover of the capital, Grover Norquist. The White House continues to obstruct efforts to identify who Abramoff saw in his hundreds of visits to the White House.

The missing Cheney emails fit a pattern that suggests intentional rather than accidental destruction. They all occur on days on which, considering contemporaneous press reports, the Vice President or his staff members were in the news and would likely have been communicating on the subjects relating to the press coverage. The most persistent themes are the outing of Valerie Plame and Cheney’s secret dealings with a group of oil and gas executives who were directly influencing national energy policy. The Empty Wheel has some excellent analysis of these points.


http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 29 2016 01:03 GMT
#116153
On October 29 2016 10:00 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 09:57 biology]major wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:56 KwarK wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado


Maine isnt in play, 1 district in Maine is in play because they allocate proportionally and that 1 electoral college vote does not help.

Colorado and NH are REALLY hard to flip. NH is an interesting bet but the problem is she is up about 6-8 points there and not a lot of undecided so he needs to move the needle a LOT in 10 days to do it there and the situation in CO is if anything worse.


That one red neck electoral vote from Maine is actually necessary for him if he flips NH, he would be at 269 if he got NH and didn't get that Maine district if I recall right.
Question.?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 01:05:50
October 29 2016 01:05 GMT
#116154
On October 29 2016 10:02 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 10:00 Blisse wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.


what was wrong with the press conference lol


Might need to clear up those clinton goggles. It was 4 minutes. 2 minutes for her speech and then 2 minutes for not answering any questions in her usual fashion. That isn't how transparency looks.


but you still haven't answered my question? transparency about what? i have clinton goggles on because i don't think the news leans either way?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44382 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 01:05:56
October 29 2016 01:05 GMT
#116155
On October 29 2016 10:03 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 10:00 Adreme wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:57 biology]major wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:56 KwarK wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado


Maine isnt in play, 1 district in Maine is in play because they allocate proportionally and that 1 electoral college vote does not help.

Colorado and NH are REALLY hard to flip. NH is an interesting bet but the problem is she is up about 6-8 points there and not a lot of undecided so he needs to move the needle a LOT in 10 days to do it there and the situation in CO is if anything worse.


That one red neck electoral vote from Maine is actually necessary for him if he flips NH, he would be at 269 if he got NH and didn't get that Maine district if I recall right.

Yeah, NH+Maine is one route, assuming he goes 6/6 on the others. That's the one you're saying is his path? I mean the math checks out but I don't know that NH is flipping.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 29 2016 01:06 GMT
#116156
On October 29 2016 10:03 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 10:00 Adreme wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:57 biology]major wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:56 KwarK wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado


Maine isnt in play, 1 district in Maine is in play because they allocate proportionally and that 1 electoral college vote does not help.

Colorado and NH are REALLY hard to flip. NH is an interesting bet but the problem is she is up about 6-8 points there and not a lot of undecided so he needs to move the needle a LOT in 10 days to do it there and the situation in CO is if anything worse.


That one red neck electoral vote from Maine is actually necessary for him if he flips NH, he would be at 269 if he got NH and didn't get that Maine district if I recall right.


269 is what he needs to win. She needs 270 but the house is pretty rigged so it isnt going to flip so he wins at 269. I havnt checked to see if your math is right but if he needs that district to hit 270 it does not matter.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 29 2016 01:06 GMT
#116157
On October 29 2016 10:05 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 10:02 biology]major wrote:
On October 29 2016 10:00 Blisse wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.


what was wrong with the press conference lol


Might need to clear up those clinton goggles. It was 4 minutes. 2 minutes for her speech and then 2 minutes for not answering any questions in her usual fashion. That isn't how transparency looks.


but you still haven't answered my question? transparency about what?


About why huma didn't turn over that device if it had stuff related to investigation, and huma knows what's on them so she could tell HRC who could then clarify what it is Comey found. She dodged the classified emails question completely.
Question.?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46516 Posts
October 29 2016 01:07 GMT
#116158
On October 29 2016 10:02 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 10:00 Blisse wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.


what was wrong with the press conference lol


Might need to clear up those clinton goggles. It was 4 minutes. 2 minutes for her speech and then 2 minutes for not answering any questions in her usual fashion. That isn't how transparency looks.


Are you kidding? We're talking about the four minute video that Danglars posted, right? The one where she took some questions and said she was eager to get the information out into the open because she had nothing to hide?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44382 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 01:11:53
October 29 2016 01:10 GMT
#116159
On October 29 2016 10:06 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2016 10:03 biology]major wrote:
On October 29 2016 10:00 Adreme wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:57 biology]major wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:56 KwarK wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado


Maine isnt in play, 1 district in Maine is in play because they allocate proportionally and that 1 electoral college vote does not help.

Colorado and NH are REALLY hard to flip. NH is an interesting bet but the problem is she is up about 6-8 points there and not a lot of undecided so he needs to move the needle a LOT in 10 days to do it there and the situation in CO is if anything worse.


That one red neck electoral vote from Maine is actually necessary for him if he flips NH, he would be at 269 if he got NH and didn't get that Maine district if I recall right.


269 is what he needs to win. She needs 270 but the house is pretty rigged so it isnt going to flip so he wins at 269. I havnt checked to see if your math is right but if he needs that district to hit 270 it does not matter.

His math checks out.
http://www.270towin.com/maps/eXNkG
Play with this tool for a bit if you want to look at various potential outcomes.
http://www.270towin.com/

There's no path that doesn't involve flipping a Hillary "safe" states and the states that people typically like to say Trump will flip are less competitive in this election than Texas. Imagine if people were saying "Hillary can still win this, once she flips Texas it'll blow the race wide open". That's basically the Trump party line right now, although it's PA rather than TX that he's going allin on.
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On October 29 2016 10:06 Adreme wrote:
On October 29 2016 10:03 biology]major wrote:
On October 29 2016 10:00 Adreme wrote:
On October 29 2016 09:57 biology]major wrote:
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On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado


Maine isnt in play, 1 district in Maine is in play because they allocate proportionally and that 1 electoral college vote does not help.

Colorado and NH are REALLY hard to flip. NH is an interesting bet but the problem is she is up about 6-8 points there and not a lot of undecided so he needs to move the needle a LOT in 10 days to do it there and the situation in CO is if anything worse.


That one red neck electoral vote from Maine is actually necessary for him if he flips NH, he would be at 269 if he got NH and didn't get that Maine district if I recall right.


269 is what he needs to win. She needs 270 but the house is pretty rigged so it isnt going to flip so he wins at 269. I havnt checked to see if your math is right but if he needs that district to hit 270 it does not matter.

His math checks out.
Play with this tool for a bit.
http://www.270towin.com/

There's no path that doesn't involve flipping a Hillary "safe" states and the states that people typically like to say Trump will flip are less competitive in this election than Texas. Imagine if people were saying "Hillary can still win this, once she flips Texas it'll blow the race wide open". That's basically the Trump party line right now, although it's PA rather than TX that he's going allin on.


Yeah it's probably like a 5 percent shot because he has to win every single competitive state and then flip one or two more on top of that. I wonder what percent of the population already voted and thus completely immune to this FBI news. Comey found out yesterday so I'm not gonna blame him for not reopening sooner.
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