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On October 29 2016 09:48 Yoav wrote:


How much ya wanna bet?

On October 29 2016 08:55 Danglars wrote:
Hillary's presser on new emails

On October 29 2016 09:12 CannonsNCarriers wrote:


Then what hinging intent are you talking about? I endlessly hear about the HRC investigation "doesn't hinge on intent" so I figured you mean that. What about the deleted Bush emails involves intent?

On October 29 2016 09:50 Blisse wrote:


Thanks for the video. She didn't sound too stressed out. She seemed kind of annoyed/amused. One reporter said "E-MALL" instead of "E-MAIL" which I found funny.

She's probably right though that most people have way already made up their minds. If you were going to spin something this ambiguous in an anti-Hillary light then you were already going to be anti-Hillary.

On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

On October 29 2016 09:56 KwarK wrote:

Which state does he flip, in addition to the six closely contested ones? PA? CO? NH?

On October 29 2016 09:54 biology]major wrote:
Trumps path to victory is still narrow as fuck, but this gives him an opening. That 4 minute press conference is exactly why she is so disliked in the first place, and it's only going to continue when she is president. Someone find trump and chain him up for the next 11 days, let Conway campaign for him in the mean time.

On October 29 2016 09:57 biology]major wrote:


NH, Maine, maybe Colorado

On October 29 2016 10:00 Blisse wrote:


what was wrong with the press conference lol

On October 29 2016 09:53 Danglars wrote:

Lol. Do I have to hold your hand the whole way? If we have a real source for the quoted section (and if you still haven't read it, read it now please), it would be of immediate interest if there was an FBI investigation that terminated upon finding no intent.

Since I'm only now hearing about it, I find it more likely it has no bearing whatsoever regarding unauthorized handling of classified emails or the federal records act.

Vice President Dick Cheney’s office destroyed its emails, in violation of the requirements of the federal records act and potentially criminal law, for the following days:

September 12, 2003: The day on which the headlines in the New York Times read “federal appeals court in Washington yesterday rejected the Bush administration’s effort to avoid releasing documents about Vice President Cheney Energy Task Force.”

October 1, 2003: The day on which the Solicitor General argued to the Supreme Court that Vice President Cheney was entitled to keep all the details concerning his meetings with oil executives and their influence in his formulation of national energy policy confidential, including the names of the participants.

October 2, 2003: The day on which senior Congressional Republicans began a rewrite of key energy legislation behind closed doors and without involvement of Democrats—but potentially with the involvement of Vice President Cheney and oil executives involved in his secret energy task force.

October 3, 2003: The Senate approved a requirement that all future contracts to rebuild Iraq be granted on an open and competitive basis after airing open criticism on the closed and controversial process that resulted in multi-billion dollar noncompetitive contract awards to subsidiaries of Halliburton, the company which Vice President Cheney headed before he assumed office, and from which, under a deferred compensation agreement, he continues to receive more compensation than he receives from the Treasury for his services as vice president.

October 5, 2003: Publication of the findings of a task force studying the development of the Iraqi oil industry and its potential for funding the costs of the occupation of Iraq.

January 29, 2004: David A. Kay, the former chief American weapons inspector in Iraq, called for an independent inquiry into pre-war intelligence about Saddam Hussein’s weapons programs as skepticism about the administration’s claims about Iraqi WMD grows.

January 30, 2004: President Bush opposes an independent investigation of intelligence failures surrounding Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction stockpiles despite increasing demands for one by some U.S. lawmakers.

January 31, 2004: Press reports focus on building speculation that an independent commission will be created to look into the White House’s basis for claims that Iraq had WMDs, accusations which were consistently led by Vice President Cheney.

February 15, 2005: Citing the threat exemplified by 9/11, President Bush urges Congress to re-authorize the Patriot Act.

February 16, 2005: An appeals court orders that two reporters who have refused to testify about their conversations with confidential sources regarding the leak that exposed the identification of CIA agent Valerie Plame should be held in contempt. It would later be revealed that both had conversations with members of Vice President Cheney’s staff.

May 23, 2005: Calls mount for the resignation of Tom Delay pending the outcome of an investigation into ethical violations. The Congressional and criminal investigation into Jack Abramoff widens to include long-time associate and fellow architect of the Republican takeover of the capital, Grover Norquist. The White House continues to obstruct efforts to identify who Abramoff saw in his hundreds of visits to the White House.

The missing Cheney emails fit a pattern that suggests intentional rather than accidental destruction. They all occur on days on which, considering contemporaneous press reports, the Vice President or his staff members were in the news and would likely have been communicating on the subjects relating to the press coverage. The most persistent themes are the outing of Valerie Plame and Cheney’s secret dealings with a group of oil and gas executives who were directly influencing national energy policy. The Empty Wheel has some excellent analysis of these points.

On October 29 2016 10:00 Adreme wrote:


Maine isnt in play, 1 district in Maine is in play because they allocate proportionally and that 1 electoral college vote does not help.

Colorado and NH are REALLY hard to flip. NH is an interesting bet but the problem is she is up about 6-8 points there and not a lot of undecided so he needs to move the needle a LOT in 10 days to do it there and the situation in CO is if anything worse.

On October 29 2016 10:02 biology]major wrote:


Might need to clear up those clinton goggles. It was 4 minutes. 2 minutes for her speech and then 2 minutes for not answering any questions in her usual fashion. That isn't how transparency looks.

On October 29 2016 10:03 biology]major wrote:


That one red neck electoral vote from Maine is actually necessary for him if he flips NH, he would be at 269 if he got NH and didn't get that Maine district if I recall right.

On October 29 2016 10:03 biology]major wrote:


That one red neck electoral vote from Maine is actually necessary for him if he flips NH, he would be at 269 if he got NH and didn't get that Maine district if I recall right.

On October 29 2016 10:05 Blisse wrote:


but you still haven't answered my question? transparency about what?

On October 29 2016 10:06 Adreme wrote:


269 is what he needs to win. She needs 270 but the house is pretty rigged so it isnt going to flip so he wins at 269. I havnt checked to see if your math is right but if he needs that district to hit 270 it does not matter.

On October 29 2016 10:10 KwarK wrote:

His math checks out.
Play with this tool for a bit.
http://www.270towin.com/

There's no path that doesn't involve flipping a Hillary "safe" states and the states that people typically like to say Trump will flip are less competitive in this election than Texas. Imagine if people were saying "Hillary can still win this, once she flips Texas it'll blow the race wide open". That's basically the Trump party line right now, although it's PA rather than TX that he's going allin on.