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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:08 oneofthem wrote: imagine an alternative world in which we are talking about ways to tackle urban livability, social mobility, small scale manufacturing and getting rid of real estate bias in the tax code. but no Yeah, no. Never. National News Media requires Concision. If you can't make your point in 30 seconds, then it makes as much sense to put you on TV as someone who doesn't speak English. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:08 oneofthem wrote: imagine an alternative world in which we are talking about ways to tackle urban livability, social mobility, small scale manufacturing and getting rid of real estate bias in the tax code. but no you want to talk about them here and now? there's a reason we have policy wonks, to take care of all the boring details. We should focus on electing boring people! nevuk -> i doubt comey's letter changed anything in terms of bipartisanship. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22288 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:17 Nevuk wrote: I'm wondering if this letter by Comey has actually legitimately killed bipartisanship for good. I highly doubt any republican will actually be considered to be appointed by a democrat for a long time after this mess (and the GOP had no interest in bipartisanship anyways). Oo why does a letter by Comey, that he is required to send to inform congress, kill bipartisanship? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23898 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:20 Gorsameth wrote: Oo why does a letter by Comey, that he is required to send to inform congress, kill bipartisanship? Ironically it's the opposite (atm), both sides are calling for more detailed explanations. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/fbi-reviewing-new-emails-in-clinton-probe-director-tells-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:20 Gorsameth wrote: Oo why does a letter by Comey, that he is required to send to inform congress, kill bipartisanship? Even if he's just doing his job it still comes across as an effort to harm democratic chances in the election. See Krugman's twitter account for how liberals are reacting to the letter : (his whole twitter is filled with him freaking out) And now that it's coming out that it's about 3 emails, has nothing to do with Hillary directly, and is from Weiner's sexting scandal it seems like the GOP has overreached but still managed to get out about 1-2 hours of negative press on Clinton out of it, it really does appear like Comey was acting in a partisan manner by writing a purposefully vague letter. He may not have been, but that doesn't matter : it appears like he was, and appearances are all that count at this point politically. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:28 ImFromPortugal wrote: FBI probes newly discovered emails tied to Clinton case http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/fbi-reviewing-new-emails-in-clinton-probe-director-tells-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html Do you even read the thread? Its three emails, not from Clinton, that they found on Weiner’s phone. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:28 ImFromPortugal wrote: FBI probes newly discovered emails tied to Clinton case http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/fbi-reviewing-new-emails-in-clinton-probe-director-tells-senate-judiciary-committee/index.html Yes, thank you for clarifying that you don't read this thread, only post things. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22288 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:29 Nevuk wrote: Even if he's just doing his job it still comes across as an effort to harm democratic chances in the election. See Krugman's twitter account for how liberals are reacting to the letter : https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/792056422708178944 (his whole twitter is filled with him freaking out) https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/792083337355620357 And now that it's coming out that it's about 3 emails, has nothing to do with Hillary directly, and is from Weiner's sexting scandal it seems like the GOP has overreached but still managed to get out about 1-2 hours of negative press on Clinton out of it, it really does appear like Comey was acting in a partisan manner by writing a purposefully vague letter. He may not have been, but that doesn't matter : it appears like he was, and appearances are all that count at this point politically. I don't blame Corney for that. I blame the 24/7 news race that means that people no longer take 5 minutes to verify and reach out of a reaction from those involved. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:34 Gorsameth wrote: I don't blame Corney for that. I blame the 24/7 news race that means that people no longer take 5 minutes to verify and reach out of a reaction from those involved. Considering the story broke on twitter from all reports, I am not shocked at all. That thing is designed to create headlines based on partial, incomplete information. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote: This is Hillary's version of "Believe me, we'll get the best people". There's little to no substance behind it, but people just keep saying it. That's why every time I ask specifically what she'll pass that Bernie wouldn't have and how, no one has anything. Things she would pass that Bernie wouldn't? She would actively engage against genocide. Bernie would not. She would help dictate globalization instead of just be victim to it. She would use current laws that work and bolster them instead of attacking them like Bernie has been. She would have actual allied on her corner as could be seen by the most lopsided delegate count win we've seen. She would have recent experience talking to and negotiating with world leaders and not just Vermont leaders. Bernie couldn't even answer basic questions about his own stances, crashing and burning like a freight train when interrogated by liberal journalists--and you believe he could somehow do better when he is put in front of a Senate and House majority? We are talking to the guy who help the healthcare bill hostage, who doesn't believe in talking to Israel, who doesn't believe helping muslims is important. You're talking about Bernie isolationist Sanders who would rather stick his head in the ground that realize that the world keeps moving towards globalization, towards, conflict, towards hardships, and that the world as a community is supposed to work together at solving those problems. Bernie would only be slightly better than Trump at not destroying America. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On October 29 2016 03:55 Plansix wrote: Of course. How useful they would be as evidence is another question. unless... She would actively engage against genocide. Bernie would not. What genocide? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
That said, I am not sure it's appropriate to not do a formal follow-up after the legislators decide to act like twats so that we're not relying on sometimes-conflicting "sources" with respect to a story like this. On October 29 2016 05:37 ImFromPortugal wrote: unless... https://twitter.com/kimdotcom/status/791364506425315328 You do know that the FBI actually already looked at the deleted emails, right? Edit: Well, I could be wrong about this, Sorry. They neither confirmed nor denied they recovered them. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:37 TheTenthDoc wrote: I don't think Comey deserves blame for thinking that people in the legislature might act with a modicum of self-restraint and thoughtful consideration. That said, I am not sure it's appropriate to not do a formal follow-up after the legislators decide to act like twats so that we're not relying on sometimes-conflicting "sources" with respect to a story like this. You do know that the FBI actually already looked at the deleted emails, right? I didn't but if you can provide source it would be great thanks. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22288 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:37 TheTenthDoc wrote: I don't think Comey deserves blame for thinking that people in the legislature might act with a modicum of self-restraint and thoughtful consideration. That said, I am not sure it's appropriate to not do a formal follow-up after the legislators decide to act like twats so that we're not relying on sometimes-conflicting "sources" with respect to a story like this. What sort of time line are we looking at here? From what I gather this entire exchange from stupid tweet to further classification took about 2 hours? I don't think that is an excessive amount of time to react. Its not like the FBI monitors twitter for stupid congressmen tweeting without context so they can 'emergency respond' to it. | ||
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