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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On October 29 2016 03:51 LegalLord wrote: I find it pretty ironic that the biggest argument in favor of nominating Hillary was that she is so ungodly electable that it would be folly to choose someone else. No the biggest argument in favor of Hillary was that Bernie did not have a clue as to how he was going to get any of his idea's implemented. Hillary does and her idea's are just Bernie light anyway. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:18 Gorsameth wrote: No the biggest argument in favor of Hillary was that Bernie did not have a clue as to how he was going to get any of his idea's implemented. Hillary does and her idea's are just Bernie light anyway. The biggest argument that resonates with you, perhaps. The polls in the primaries said that electability was the biggest reason people chose Hillary though. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:00 ticklishmusic wrote: i dont think the PEC does anything crazy. i remember getting a little confused about their RGY schema, but its just 1, 2, 3 SD's or something like that. mostly goes to show that averaging polls is a pretty solid methodology. who knew, more data the better. anyways before things blow up about a offhand comment i made: looks like the story is quickly being walked back to "oh there were some emails kind of related to clinton and comey is obligated to tell the house". chaffetz thought it was xmas and there was a big ass box under the tree for him. turns out it was mostly packing peanuts. From the Washington Post article, the emails were discovered due to an investigation into an unrelated matter. My bet is they gained access to emails in another case and some of those emails were from the state department during Clinton’s tenure. Also apparently none of the emails are from Clinton herself, but staff in the state department. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote: Turns out the new emails were from Weiner's cell phone. Nothing through the Chappaqua server. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html Ok, I feel a lot better now. I bet those are a whole lot of nothing. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:18 Gorsameth wrote: No the biggest argument in favor of Hillary was that Bernie did not have a clue as to how he was going to get any of his idea's implemented. Hillary does and her idea's are just Bernie light anyway. This is Hillary's version of "Believe me, we'll get the best people". There's little to no substance behind it, but people just keep saying it. That's why every time I ask specifically what she'll pass that Bernie wouldn't have and how, no one has anything. | ||
KwarK
United States44379 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote: This is Hillary's version of "Believe me, we'll get the best people". There's little to no substance behind it, but people just keep saying it. That's why every time I ask specifically what she'll pass that Bernie wouldn't have and how, no one has anything. Minimum wage hike? Bernie's plan depended upon a sweeping revolution that ended all obstructionism and brought everyone from all sides of the political spectrum into the far left somehow. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote: This is Hillary's version of "Believe me, we'll get the best people". There's little to no substance behind it, but people just keep saying it. That's why every time I ask specifically what she'll pass that Bernie wouldn't have and how, no one has anything. hillary does actually have the best people. you just don't know about them. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:29 oneofthem wrote: hillary does actually have the best people. you just don't know about them. Every last Podesta email leak of a "From: Podesta" email has impressed me with his clear-headed analysis of HRC's weaknesses. He comes off as a real campaign professional. But he really needs two factor authentication on his email accounts. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote: Turns out the new emails were from Weiner's cell phone. Nothing through the Chappaqua server. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html So basically Comey wanted a reason to force dick pics on Congress if they drag him out for another stupid session. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:25 KwarK wrote: Minimum wage hike? Bernie's plan depended upon a sweeping revolution that ended all obstructionism and brought everyone from all sides of the political spectrum into the far left somehow. So the idea is that Bernie would have rather taken no minimum wage hike over one less than he desired? Except he already admitted that he's asking for a whole loaf expecting half a loaf, instead of asking for half a loaf and getting crumbs. So I reject your suggestion that he would only get a min wage hike with a sweeping political revolution, maybe a $15/hr wage, but not an increase. Pretty sure every Democratic president has raised minimum wage anyway though, so that's kind of a given. The idea that Bernie wants it his way or no way is a fiction that disregards some of the other primary attacks made by Clinton and his endorsement of her. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Picking a "primary" reason the electorate is as difficult as picking the primary reason my friends and I are going zombie paintballing tomorrow. On another (more horrific) note, Trump mistook a black supporter at his rally for a protester, called him a thug, and had him thrown out. What a standup guy. A non-Slate source, if you prefer. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:34 TheTenthDoc wrote: I mean, the main reason Clinton got nominated was that more Democrats thought she should be president of the United States for a whole bunch of reasons. These reasons were very heterogeneous-they ranged from foreign policy experience and different positions to what was perceived as more practical positions to more experience running campaigns to being someone people had higher name recognition for to not calling herself a socialist to, yes, possibly being the first female President. Picking a "primary" reason the electorate is as difficult as picking the primary reason my friends and I are going zombie paintballing tomorrow. I can't find them atm but I seem to recall it being one of the more popular reasons according to polling during the primary. It was also a common theme in articles. Aside: + Show Spoiler + Paintball zombies wear protective head gear, as a result, the only way to take down these paintball prone zombies is to shoot them in the nuts #science EDIT: On October 29 2016 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote: So basically Comey wanted a reason to force dick pics on Congress if they drag him out for another stupid session. Considering his well documented lack of self-control and discretion I'd probably be a bit more worried about what he might have said if I was in Clinton's camp. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
comey pls. i thought u were with us | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
oddly enough, the clinton campaign's strategy to help trump implode has worked quite splendidly. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:53 oneofthem wrote: https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/792079725329907713 comey pls. i thought u were with us I don't think he anticipated Chaffetz using inappopriate language to score political points with something that was mandated as part of Comey's job. If Americans paid attention this would highlight how absolutely incompetent the Trump campaign is, given that they commented based on a non-FBI tweet. But they won't. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:22 Plansix wrote: Ok, I feel a lot better now. I bet those are a whole lot of nothing. My question would be who cares even if theyre bad? You can probably count the number of people who haven't made up their mind in regards to the emails in the whole country on one hand. Nobody is going to change their vote because of the email situation 10 days before the election since it's been going on for the last year. It's white noise. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
EDIT: not that it's an actual argument but you get the idea. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:04 On_Slaught wrote: My question would be who cares even if theyre bad? You can probably count the number of people who haven't made up their mind in regards to the emails in the whole country on one hand. Nobody is going to change their vote because of the email situation 10 days before the election since it's been going on for the last year. It's white noise. This election was never about changing votes, it was always about turnout. | ||
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