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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 05 2016 02:00 GMT
#106621
Cut taxes, don't pay them, rebuild the military lol
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 05 2016 02:00 GMT
#106622
On October 05 2016 11:00 plasmidghost wrote:
Pence's rebuilding the military comment... surely he doesn't mean re-instituting the draft?

no, i'ts just standard republican boilerplate for more defense spending.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23217 Posts
October 05 2016 02:00 GMT
#106623
On October 05 2016 10:56 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:42 Kickstart wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:31 Kickstart wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:26 CorsairHero wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:25 Kickstart wrote:
Trump and Pence getting slaughtered over Trump's taxes.

what's there to be slaughtered about
he had a bad year and crystallized his losses

That not paying taxes makes him smart.
That his losses (potentially, since we don't know without him releasing his tax info) allow him to not pay taxes for several years to come.
That he lost nearly $1B in the casino industry.

Of course his supporters will explain how it was all legal and how it is for businesses to incur loses and continue to operate. My father owned his own business, at one point it was the 3rd largest residential roofing company in our state. He then did a job for a large hotel chain, who, like Trump, didn't pay any of the people they contracted work out to. After they strung him along to complete the job and got all the work out of him, he got nothing. Point being, what is 'legal' and what is morally correct are not always the same.


My question is do people think Democrats just found out about this now? They didn't care when he did it, just when he was in the way of them being in the white house.

This type of stuff has actually gotten worse under Obama.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tax-advantages-landlords-married-real-estate-professionals.html

Frankly neither party has done enough to change it. You are right to be upset with the left though, because traditionally it would be a liberal principle to push to remove such loopholes. I don't think anyone is claiming that anyone just now found out that these things happen.


Like I said though, the left hasn't just sat on their hands, they've actively made it worse. If they aren't just finding it out, than why should anyone believe they are actually upset and not just pointing out the bad optics of something they helped create without taking any responsibility?


The point really isn't if 'the establishment left' is upset about it. The point is the average american who pays their fair share of taxes and doesn't use these loopholes are upset about it (or should be~). Yes we have problems because of the nature of our current two party system, one of them being the issues you brought up.
But voting for the candidate that uses such loopholes and brags about it, and who wants to further decrease taxes on the top %es, over the candidate whose platform is on reform and not giving the rich further tax breaks, seems counter-productive at best.


I'm certainly not talking about voting for Trump, just that it's silly to pretend the Democrats outrage at the whole situation is anything more than political theater. They are taking advantage of the fact that Americans are too dense to realize what Trump did (and plenty after him) was only possible in part thanks to Democrats.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 05 2016 02:00 GMT
#106624
On October 05 2016 10:58 zlefin wrote:
Is it so much to ask, for one of the highest elected offices in our land, that people be able to stick to a schedule, and not talk out of turn?

Usually yes but this year is extraordinary like that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2016 02:01 GMT
#106625
On October 05 2016 11:00 plasmidghost wrote:
Pence's rebuilding the military comment... surely he doesn't mean re-instituting the draft?

The military is always broken in Republican eyes. Always. It is always needs rebuilding, especially in election years. Its weird.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 05 2016 02:02 GMT
#106626
How hard would it be for the US, with a coalition of international forces, to rebuild Syria after the civil war is over in exchange for their natural gas reserves? Let's face it, the US would never help Syria without gaining access to those sweet, sweet resources
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
October 05 2016 02:02 GMT
#106627
Pence really said Putin is a better leader than Obama?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5579 Posts
October 05 2016 02:02 GMT
#106628
I thought we were talking about Russia, not the fucking taxes again, Kainebot.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7225 Posts
October 05 2016 02:02 GMT
#106629
OMG 1916 Navy argument AGAIN.

WTF, how many times does this need to be discredited. I've never liked Pence but hes dropped even farther after regurgitating that bullshit.

Also, not a fan of Tim Kaine's generalizations. I feel like there is enough ammo on Donald Trump that he doesn't need to make these exaggerations.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2016 02:02 GMT
#106630
On October 05 2016 11:00 LegalLord wrote:
You know, this entire time I can't help but notice Kaine being demoted from Governor to Senator by changing jobs. It really is quite noticeable.

That isn't really a demotion.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 02:03:33
October 05 2016 02:03 GMT
#106631
On October 05 2016 11:02 Dan HH wrote:
Pence really said Putin is a better leader than Obama?

no, Trump (I think?)
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2016 02:03 GMT
#106632
On October 05 2016 11:02 Dan HH wrote:
Pence really said Putin is a better leader than Obama?

Putin is white after all.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 05 2016 02:03 GMT
#106633
Trump won't rebuild the military because 9/11 and taxes. The fuck?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42638 Posts
October 05 2016 02:03 GMT
#106634
He's not even bothering with the question. She reminds him what the question is and he goes
this is important
like fuck you, I'm bashing Trump.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 05 2016 02:03 GMT
#106635
On October 05 2016 11:01 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 11:00 plasmidghost wrote:
Pence's rebuilding the military comment... surely he doesn't mean re-instituting the draft?

The military is always broken in Republican eyes. Always. It is always needs rebuilding, especially in election years. Its weird.

It's the conservative version of a jobs program
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42638 Posts
October 05 2016 02:04 GMT
#106636
On October 05 2016 11:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 11:02 Dan HH wrote:
Pence really said Putin is a better leader than Obama?

Putin is white after all.

So he is an American citizen?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 05 2016 02:04 GMT
#106637
On October 05 2016 11:02 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 11:00 LegalLord wrote:
You know, this entire time I can't help but notice Kaine being demoted from Governor to Senator by changing jobs. It really is quite noticeable.

That isn't really a demotion.

A small demotion, but a demotion nonetheless. 50 governors, 100 Senators.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 05 2016 02:04 GMT
#106638
On October 05 2016 11:02 plasmidghost wrote:
How hard would it be for the US, with a coalition of international forces, to rebuild Syria after the civil war is over in exchange for their natural gas reserves? Let's face it, the US would never help Syria without gaining access to those sweet, sweet resources

the natural gas reserves are kind of useless for the US. (I can explain why if you want)
rebuliding is possible; for the infrastructure, but the real loss is institutions, which are much harder to deal with.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 02:04:54
October 05 2016 02:04 GMT
#106639
Syria situation is just shitty, Pence saying that they should attack Assad military position is not going to solve anythings, rebels can't win this war without a heavy outside help for a lot of time and a lot of killing, same with Assad only he is already half way to winning.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 05 2016 02:04 GMT
#106640
The sleeping giant of the Russian bear has awakened! Cold war pt 2 is coming yall.
Never Knows Best.
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