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Titan107
Profile Joined March 2016
30 Posts
October 04 2016 23:59 GMT
#106461
On October 05 2016 08:23 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 08:06 xDaunt wrote:
There were stories from earlier this summer that the Russians had hacked the Clinton Foundation. Like this one.


Those were DCCC* files that got leaked today, not Clinton Foundation files. You got baited by a narrative you liked before checking what was in the release. The "pay to play" folder was Democratic Opposition research on Republican congressmen. Russian Intelligence / Guccifer 2.0 is scrambling to cover their asses for getting the DCCC mixed up with the CF. Don't trust Russian Psyops so readily next time.

** DCCC is the official campaign arm of the Democrats in the House.
http://dccc.org/


If this tweet proves true, that is all that matters.

GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
October 05 2016 00:03 GMT
#106462
gg no re



Can we admit as a country neither of these parties should be running the most powerful country in the world.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 05 2016 00:06 GMT
#106463
On October 05 2016 09:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
gg no re

https://twitter.com/GMA/status/783454358088409092

Can we admit as a country neither of these parties should be running the most powerful country in the world.

no, we cannot.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45221 Posts
October 05 2016 00:13 GMT
#106464
I'm laughing so hard at that right now... I guess no need to watch the debate, since apparently Pence demolished his opponent... Just like Trump lol...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
October 05 2016 00:15 GMT
#106465
On October 05 2016 09:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'm laughing so hard at that right now... I guess no need to watch the debate, since apparently Pence demolished his opponent... Just like Trump lol...


I like how the "top moments" are "economy" and "Highlighting Hillary's scandals", wonder which scandals he's got scripted out?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2016 00:16 GMT
#106466


Classic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 00:24:08
October 05 2016 00:23 GMT
#106467
It appears people called the phone numbers listed in the recent Guccifer leaks and they check out. Not sure how that would happen if they weren't real?

+ Show Spoiler +
On to step 2
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45221 Posts
October 05 2016 00:29 GMT
#106468
On October 05 2016 09:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 09:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'm laughing so hard at that right now... I guess no need to watch the debate, since apparently Pence demolished his opponent... Just like Trump lol...


I like how the "top moments" are "economy" and "Highlighting Hillary's scandals", wonder which scandals he's got scripted out?


I feel like Clinton would have prepared Kaine for these, and if Trump isn't going to get under Clinton's skin, I don't think Pence will get under Kaine's.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 05 2016 00:32 GMT
#106469
On October 05 2016 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
It appears people called the phone numbers listed in the recent Guccifer leaks and they check out. Not sure how that would happen if they weren't real?

+ Show Spoiler +
On to step 2

I'll care when a legitimate news organization decides the information is worth reporting on. Reddit detectives will chase anything.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 00:42:07
October 05 2016 00:41 GMT
#106470
On October 05 2016 09:32 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 09:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
It appears people called the phone numbers listed in the recent Guccifer leaks and they check out. Not sure how that would happen if they weren't real?

+ Show Spoiler +
On to step 2

I'll care when a legitimate news organization decides the information is worth reporting on. Reddit detectives will chase anything.


Have to wait until the clicks start adding up and the people who care about profit start yelling at the politicos that they want some of those clicks/views.

Then we'll get clickbait articles from pro Clinton reporters about how it's not a big deal, then you guys come and post it, then everyone moves on to how Russia and Trump have joined the vast right wing conspiracy.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 00:44:18
October 05 2016 00:43 GMT
#106471
Those are just leftover documents from the DNC hack. So while they're real, they're basically a non-story according to everyone that's looked at them so far (if they had real teeth they would've been released with the last batch, really). The big draw was only that they were the CF, no one really cares about more DNC leaks at this point
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 00:45:52
October 05 2016 00:44 GMT
#106472
I don't think you need to wait for legit news orgs to decide the information is worth reporting. Just wait until psycho far right orgs report the information isn't worth reporting.

Which as far as I can tell is the current consensus among those groups (Daily Caller too). Even moreso than other past leaks which by this point had already had the worst parts picked out.

When r/the_donald has concluded this is a false flag and Guccifer 2 has been compromised, you can be sure there's nothing incriminating in there.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
October 05 2016 00:52 GMT
#106473
On October 05 2016 09:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think you need to wait for legit news orgs to decide the information is worth reporting. Just wait until psycho far right orgs report the information isn't worth reporting.

Which as far as I can tell is the current consensus among those groups (Daily Caller too). Even moreso than other past leaks which by this point had already had the worst parts picked out.

When r/the_donald has concluded this is a false flag and Guccifer 2 has been compromised, you can be sure there's nothing incriminating in there.


Excellent, we're moving along at almost Mook like speed.

Next comes "compare it to Trump!" and "Russia is destroying our democracy".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 05 2016 00:52 GMT
#106474
Man, what a long day. Somehow I have 1.5 hours almost exactly to watch this debate before it's back to work.

Any streams yet?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 05 2016 00:52 GMT
#106475
On October 05 2016 09:52 LegalLord wrote:
Man, what a long day. Somehow I have 1.5 hours almost exactly to watch this debate before it's back to work.

Any streams yet?

GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
October 05 2016 00:53 GMT
#106476
On October 05 2016 09:52 LegalLord wrote:
Man, what a long day. Somehow I have 1.5 hours almost exactly to watch this debate before it's back to work.

Any streams yet?


Here's one option https://twitter.com/i/live/778347749217406976
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 00:55:13
October 05 2016 00:54 GMT
#106477
Regardless of how it goes, Republicans will find it easy to declare Pence a clear winner.
Because after the Presidential debate... all Pence has to do is not have have a meltdown and talk about Rosie O'Donnell to make himself look great in contrast.

I predict it will be a trade of really tired talking points after which both sides will be "amazed" at their VP's "statesmanship".

I hope to be surprised.
Big water
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 05 2016 00:55 GMT
#106478
On October 05 2016 09:54 Leporello wrote:
Regardless of how it goes, Republicans will find it easy to declare Pence a clear winner.
Because after the Presidential debate... all Pence has to do is not have have a meltdown and talk about Rosie O'Donnell to make himself look great in contrast.

I predict it will be a trade of really tired talking points after which both sides will be "amazed" at their VP's "statesmanship".

The GOP already declared Pence the winner based on his stance on the economy and attacks on Clinton scandals. (The debate hasn't happened yet)
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 00:57:56
October 05 2016 00:56 GMT
#106479
On October 05 2016 09:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 09:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think you need to wait for legit news orgs to decide the information is worth reporting. Just wait until psycho far right orgs report the information isn't worth reporting.

Which as far as I can tell is the current consensus among those groups (Daily Caller too). Even moreso than other past leaks which by this point had already had the worst parts picked out.

When r/the_donald has concluded this is a false flag and Guccifer 2 has been compromised, you can be sure there's nothing incriminating in there.


Excellent, we're moving along at almost Mook like speed.

Next comes "compare it to Trump!" and "Russia is destroying our democracy".


I'm sorry you didn't get an Assange or Guccifer present today GH. But these are not the droids you're looking for-and operating under the assumption they are when none of the smoking guns have materialized in any of the previous leaks is just silly.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 05 2016 00:56 GMT
#106480
Trusting reddit's super sleuths to come up with the right answer? Considering their track record I wouldn't hitch my wagon to that train. How many innocent people have they implicated in their moronic investigations?
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