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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 28 2016 15:39 GMT
#104761
MIAMI — To kill Donald Trump's chances of capturing the White House, Hillary Clinton needs to win Florida. And to do that, she needs a big minority turnout.

But Democrats are beginning to worry that too many African-American voters are uninspired by Clinton’s candidacy, leading her campaign to hit the panic button this week and launch an all-out blitz to juice-up voter enthusiasm.

Bill Clinton, once nicknamed the “first black president,” embarks on a North Florida bus tour Friday in an attempt to draw African-American crowds. At the same time, Clinton herself will host events in Broward and St. Lucie counties, which have black populations higher than the statewide average.

That follows the events of this past weekend, when black mothers who have lost children to gun violence hosted a Clinton organizing event in Jacksonville and a voter-registration drive in Opa-Locka, a majority black city near Miami. The group, Mothers of the Movement, includes Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin, whose 2012 shooting death near Orlando became a flashpoint for racial division and gun violence.

Coming soon: President Barack Obama, who’s expected to campaign here at least twice before Election Day. First Lady Michelle Obama — more popular than her husband — will likely visit Florida as well, in addition to the ad she cut for Clinton that’s currently airing on Florida radio.

"Hillary Clinton's campaign is in panic mode. Full panic mode," said Leslie Wimes, a South Florida-based president of the Democratic African-American Women Caucus.

"They have a big problem because they thought Obama and Michelle saying, 'Hey, go vote for Hillary' would do it. But it's not enough," Wimes said, explaining that too much of the black vote in Florida is anti-Trump, rather than pro-Clinton. "In the end, we don't vote against somebody. We vote for somebody."

Part of the problem Clinton faces is that Obama, the actual black president, is the toughest of acts to follow. Obama enjoyed support from 95 percent of Florida’s black voters in both 2012 and 2008, according to exit polls.

Clinton isn’t polling quite that well in a state that has nearly 1.7 million black voters. An average of the last three Florida polls that provided racial breakdowns shows she’s polling less than 85 percent among African-American voters in Florida, while Trump polls around 5 percent.

It’s not just Clinton’s margins with black voters that concerns Democrats. It’s whether African-American voters turn out in force for her in a pivotal state whose 29 electoral votes are essential to the GOP nominee's path to an Electoral College victory. A loss in Florida all but guarantees a Trump defeat on Election Day.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 28 2016 15:40 GMT
#104762
On September 29 2016 00:35 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 00:23 LegalLord wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:12 Doodsmack wrote:
Though the bank’s evaluations [of Drumpf's net worth] aren’t public, discussion of them in a later deposition of Drumpf revealed they were unflattering. The deposition was taken in a defamation lawsuit Drumpf filed against journalist Tim O’Brien, who wrote a book that questioned Drumpf’s net worth. Drumpf lost the suit.

“(North Fork) concluded in their estimation that your net worth was actually $1.2 billion instead of $3.5 billion as you claimed. Are you aware of that?” asked O’Brien’s attorney, Andrew Ceresney.

Drumpf said he had not known that, but dismissed the quality of the bank’s opinion.

“The numbers are wrong,” he said.

North Fork wasn’t alone in marking down Drumpf’s net worth. Deutsche Bank also reviewed Drumpf’s finances as of 2004, deeming him to be worth “give or take $788 million,” Ceresney said in the deposition. The attorney did not say whether Deutsche Bank relied on Drumpf’s tax return in its calculation.


Washington Post


When Drumpf says something is wrong, it tends to be right.


Not necessarily. He could have stashed it all offshore. So while the bank records show he's not as rich (refuse to use 'wealthy') he probably has more than what has been shown.

Probably just keeps all his money in his Swedish bank account.


Why would he have a swedish bank account ?

To hide his billions. Obviously.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 28 2016 15:44 GMT
#104763
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15661 Posts
September 28 2016 15:48 GMT
#104764
On September 29 2016 00:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/781156839480111105


I don't understand what he meant and I don't understand what could be bad about this.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 28 2016 15:50 GMT
#104765
On September 29 2016 00:40 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 00:35 Rebs wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:23 LegalLord wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:12 Doodsmack wrote:
Though the bank’s evaluations [of Drumpf's net worth] aren’t public, discussion of them in a later deposition of Drumpf revealed they were unflattering. The deposition was taken in a defamation lawsuit Drumpf filed against journalist Tim O’Brien, who wrote a book that questioned Drumpf’s net worth. Drumpf lost the suit.

“(North Fork) concluded in their estimation that your net worth was actually $1.2 billion instead of $3.5 billion as you claimed. Are you aware of that?” asked O’Brien’s attorney, Andrew Ceresney.

Drumpf said he had not known that, but dismissed the quality of the bank’s opinion.

“The numbers are wrong,” he said.

North Fork wasn’t alone in marking down Drumpf’s net worth. Deutsche Bank also reviewed Drumpf’s finances as of 2004, deeming him to be worth “give or take $788 million,” Ceresney said in the deposition. The attorney did not say whether Deutsche Bank relied on Drumpf’s tax return in its calculation.


Washington Post


When Drumpf says something is wrong, it tends to be right.


Not necessarily. He could have stashed it all offshore. So while the bank records show he's not as rich (refuse to use 'wealthy') he probably has more than what has been shown.

Probably just keeps all his money in his Swedish bank account.


Why would he have a swedish bank account ?

To hide his billions. Obviously.


The ones we dont know he has...
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
September 28 2016 15:52 GMT
#104766
In the meantime, Comey is getting murdered.
"My spoon is too big."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 28 2016 15:58 GMT
#104767
On September 29 2016 00:52 Antyee wrote:
In the meantime, Comey is getting murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL38se8nzM

Huh. Didn't know this was happening. Looks like an adventure. Personally I don't see any benefit in the Republicans doing this - Comey gave them all but an indiction to work with. It's not his problem that Trump is just that bad.

Also, I just found out that Comey is 6 ft 8 in. Holy shit he's huge.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15661 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 16:00:40
September 28 2016 16:00 GMT
#104768
"The policy says any conversations while under FBI custody needs to be recorded. Now, I realize she was not technically under custody.."

SO THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP AND REALIZE YOU HAVE NO CASE
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 28 2016 16:02 GMT
#104769
Comey is in need of an anger translator who can express his disbelief that he has to put up with this nonsense. At this point, he's probably starting to emphasize with Clinton.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 16:08:34
September 28 2016 16:03 GMT
#104770
A picture taken from cell phone footage of the San Diego shooting clearly shows it was a justified shooting. Shouldn't be surprised that bystanders lied when they said he was shot with his hands in the air. Probably won't stop the protesters either. Would link it but on phone.

Npr has the picture.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 28 2016 16:06 GMT
#104771
On September 29 2016 01:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Comey is in need of an anger translator who can express his disbelief that he has to put up with this nonsense. At this point, he's probably starting to emphasize with Clinton.

All things considered, Comey has been quite measured and reasonable about this entire process. I've heard generally good things about him before this entire Clinton issue and I think he's done about as good a job as anyone could do in the situation he was placed in.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 28 2016 16:07 GMT
#104772
On September 29 2016 00:58 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 00:52 Antyee wrote:
In the meantime, Comey is getting murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL38se8nzM

Huh. Didn't know this was happening. Looks like an adventure. Personally I don't see any benefit in the Republicans doing this - Comey gave them all but an indiction to work with. It's not his problem that Trump is just that bad.

Also, I just found out that Comey is 6 ft 8 in. Holy shit he's huge.

Comey deservers to get grilled for a lot of shit (Mr. "System-backdoors-but-only-for-good-guys" and "Encryption should be illegal"), but naturally government officials are only held up for things no one cares about.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 28 2016 16:10 GMT
#104773
On September 29 2016 01:03 On_Slaught wrote:
A picture taken from cell phone footage of the San Diego shooting clearly shows it was a justified shooting. Shouldn't be surprised that bystanders lied when they said he was shot with his hands in the air. Probably won't stop the protesters either. Would link it but on phone.

Npr has the picture.

technical note: they may not have lied, but simply been mistaken. There's ample evidence that documents how terribly unreliable eyewitness accounts are.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 28 2016 16:11 GMT
#104774
On September 29 2016 01:06 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 01:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Comey is in need of an anger translator who can express his disbelief that he has to put up with this nonsense. At this point, he's probably starting to emphasize with Clinton.

All things considered, Comey has been quite measured and reasonable about this entire process. I've heard generally good things about him before this entire Clinton issue and I think he's done about as good a job as anyone could do in the situation he was placed in.

imho, the republicans should've put up Comey for president, they'd have done alot better I think.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 16:13:17
September 28 2016 16:12 GMT
#104775
Someone in this thread has said this before: if the Republicans really think this case is worth prosecuting, Congress has the means to appoint a special prosecutor and prosecute it like Comey suggested. That they aren't doing this, suggests that they don't think they would win the case.

On September 29 2016 01:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 00:58 LegalLord wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:52 Antyee wrote:
In the meantime, Comey is getting murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL38se8nzM

Huh. Didn't know this was happening. Looks like an adventure. Personally I don't see any benefit in the Republicans doing this - Comey gave them all but an indiction to work with. It's not his problem that Trump is just that bad.

Also, I just found out that Comey is 6 ft 8 in. Holy shit he's huge.

Comey deservers to get grilled for a lot of shit (Mr. "System-backdoors-but-only-for-good-guys" and "Encryption should be illegal"), but naturally government officials are only held up for things no one cares about.

Intelligence officials want easier access to data. In other news water is wet.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 16:16:17
September 28 2016 16:15 GMT
#104776
On September 28 2016 23:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 23:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Oliver straightens up the whole scandal race shit :



I think he did a really thorough job on researching the scandals he talked about, and I think it shows a double standard of expectations between the candidates.

One of the problems though, is that he still talks more about Hillary's pseudo scandals than Trump's real scandals which would be an endless list easily requiring a set of episodes. Every thing about Trump is fundamentally crooked, I imagine there is a scandal behind literally every business dealing he ever had.

So the viewers hear about Trump's scandals and how Hillary doesn't compare but it is not necessarily reflected in the structure of the episode. This is seen throughout media, where every time someone endorses Hillary, Trump still gets more coverage.

Also, with regards to Hillary's tenure as secretary, which iirc Legallord mentioned, if anyone has a real problem with her policy there such as invading and bombing Libya, that is really an indictment of all US foreign policy throughout the last sixty years and if it would disqualify her it would disqualify 95% of mainstream politicians. Of course in a better world it would play a role, but in the mean time one has to settle for lesser evil-ism.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 16:16:42
September 28 2016 16:16 GMT
#104777
On the continuing theme of "Nate Silver has had it and is done here"....

natesilver: I’m a big fan of the Pravda.ru poll, but it’s a little Trump-leaning. The raw numbers were 99-1 Trump, but our model adjusts it to 97-3.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 28 2016 16:17 GMT
#104778
On September 29 2016 01:12 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 01:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:58 LegalLord wrote:
On September 29 2016 00:52 Antyee wrote:
In the meantime, Comey is getting murdered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIL38se8nzM

Huh. Didn't know this was happening. Looks like an adventure. Personally I don't see any benefit in the Republicans doing this - Comey gave them all but an indiction to work with. It's not his problem that Trump is just that bad.

Also, I just found out that Comey is 6 ft 8 in. Holy shit he's huge.

Comey deservers to get grilled for a lot of shit (Mr. "System-backdoors-but-only-for-good-guys" and "Encryption should be illegal"), but naturally government officials are only held up for things no one cares about.

Intelligence officials want easier access to data. In other news water is wet.

Intelligence officials should also want to keep access to data away from everyone else and generally know what they're talking about.

I wouldn't blame a general for wanting better weapons. I'd call him a giant moron if he started demanding nuclear weapons that couldn't kill Americans.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15661 Posts
September 28 2016 16:19 GMT
#104779
LMAO, these guys are complete jokes. "You allowed this person to serve as an attorney"

"No, I am not in a position to disallow anyone to serve as an attorney, so I can not allow it either"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 28 2016 16:19 GMT
#104780
This hearing is much less reasonable than the first Comey hearing and he seems visibly pissed off by this proceeding.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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