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On September 28 2016 11:29 Doodsmack wrote:
As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
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We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.
So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them.
I'm confident we still are the best at cyber security than the rest of the world.
Cyber security has become a very profitable venture as well.
Zero day exploits being bought for a million dollars.
Cisco exploits being undisclosed by the US/NSA to use against their own country and others.
I'm confident other countries have their own zero days as well.
The thing that I see though, is what it will take and be able to prove it was a nation-state that attacks the United States in a serious enough matter.
1. Critical infrastructure (Electricity)
2. National security information/defense/etc
3. Banks
4. Student loans/debt (Yeah Mr. Robot)
And what would it take to not false-flag this though? Independent research/committees? hehe...
We just need a really good defense, in my opinion.
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On September 28 2016 12:12 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 11:29 Doodsmack wrote:
As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
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We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.
So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them.
If I didn't know this was something someone actually said on live TV, I would think this was a Twitch meme.
If I didn't know any better I would almost assume it was created by a random word generator.
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On September 28 2016 12:24 KwarK wrote:
Kerry is actually really good at his job from what I can tell.
He's done good and bad. I've seen some stupid moments and some pretty good moments over the years. The real test, however, is how well the policies he's helped to push pan out, and that we will only see in a few years.
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On September 28 2016 12:55 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 12:24 KwarK wrote:
Kerry is actually really good at his job from what I can tell. He's done good and bad. I've seen some stupid moments and some pretty good moments over the years. The real test, however, is how well the policies he's helped to push pan out, and that we will only see in a few years.
True.
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Is there any reasoning behind not providing debate participants with the means to support their claims and debunk those of their opponents? You will have a very hard time convincing me that we don't have the technology or that it would be too expensive or laborious. We're talking about the general presidential election here. The way things are now, though, it seems like debate hosts are essentially promoting posturing and lying over the truth by only providing participants with a stage and a microphone.
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Am I the only one who thinks the controversy with Pepe has actually made him even better, not killed?
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Seize all rare pepes before Hillary Clinton takes them all away.
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Is the daily beast a troll/clickbait site? Or is this actually a thing?
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On September 28 2016 13:36 hunts wrote:
Is the daily beast a troll/clickbait site? Or is this actually a thing?
It's a legit website.
Pepe the Frog is a cartoon character that has become a popular Internet meme (often referred to as the "sad frog meme" by people unfamiliar with the name of the character). The character first appeared in 2005 in the on-line cartoon Boy's Club, created by artist Matt Furie. In that appearance, the character also first used its catchphrase, "feels good, man."
The Pepe the Frog character did not originally have racist or anti-Semitic connotations. Internet users appropriated the character and turned him into a meme, placing the frog in a variety of circumstances and saying many different things. Many variations of the meme became rather esoteric, resulting in the phenomenon of so-called "rare Pepes."
The majority of uses of Pepe the Frog have been, and continue to be, non-bigoted. However, it was inevitable that, as the meme proliferated in on-line venues such as 4chan, 8chan, and Reddit, which have many users who delight in creating racist memes and imagery, a subset of Pepe memes would come into existence that centered on racist, anti-Semitic or other bigoted themes.
In recent years, with the growth of the "alt right" segment of the white supremacist movement, a segment that draws some of its support from some of the above-mentioned Internet sites, the number of "alt right" Pepe memes has grown, a tendency exacerbated by the controversial and contentious 2016 presidential election. Though Pepe memes have many defenders, not least the character's creator, Matt Furie, who has called the alt right appropriation of the meme merely a "phase," the use of racist and bigoted versions of Pepe memes seems to be increasing, not decreasing.
However, because so many Pepe the Frog memes are not bigoted in nature, it is important to examine use of the meme only in context. The mere fact of posting a Pepe meme does not mean that someone is racist or white supremacist. However, if the meme itself is racist or anti-Semitic in nature, or if it appears in a context containing bigoted or offensive language or symbols, then it may have been used for hateful purposes.
Anti-Defamation League
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On September 28 2016 13:36 hunts wrote:
Is the daily beast a troll/clickbait site? Or is this actually a thing?
www.adl.org
No, its very real. Like I'm positive some people use harmless things to push terrible ideologies but pepe has been a quality maymay in my book. Shitheads do shithead things but the frog man is alright with me.
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Well I'll be. I'm actually speechless at this. Why? I'm sorry I just don't have anything meaningful to say about this other than pure amazement.
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In fairness it's not the first time this has happened. The Swastika was a great symbol until Nazis ruined it by making it a Nazi icon.
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Honestly the adl page is the first time I've seen pepe in any sort of meme that wasn't the rare pepe or feelsbadman meme, but perhaps I just don't visit the parts of the internet that enjoy those kinds of memes.
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it'll be really weird if in the future green frogs become associated with racism more broadly than pepe, after reflecting on Kwark's observation.
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On September 28 2016 12:29 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2016 11:29 Doodsmack wrote:
As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
...
We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.
So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them.
I'm confident we still are the best at cyber security than the rest of the world. Cyber security has become a very profitable venture as well. Zero day exploits being bought for a million dollars. Cisco exploits being undisclosed by the US/NSA to use against their own country and others. I'm confident other countries have their own zero days as well. The thing that I see though, is what it will take and be able to prove it was a nation-state that attacks the United States in a serious enough matter. 1. Critical infrastructure (Electricity) 2. National security information/defense/etc 3. Banks 4. Student loans/debt (Yeah Mr. Robot) And what would it take to not false-flag this though? Independent research/committees? hehe... We just need a really good defense, in my opinion.
As long your intelligence groups are anti-encryption, think withholding critical infrastructure flaws so they can exploit them is a good idea, and are in the practice of blatantly ignoring leaks that the entire world knows about, the US will remain quite useless at cyber security.
Remember, Clinton's email servers were set up quite poorly, but the same investigation found that official state resources weren't much better.
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I was searching around for pepe hate related memes with out typing "pepe hitler" and came across this. I guess trump has to remove his hate speech. The current year really is amazing. Mods I'll remove this if it's against the rules.
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On September 28 2016 13:43 KwarK wrote:
In fairness it's not the first time this has happened. The Swastika was a great symbol until Nazis ruined it by making it a Nazi icon.
just like the great fashionable beard!
In all seriousness, dressing up your bigotry in a frog meme doesn't actually make a statement less bigoted. Can't just say something incredibly stupid and then add "just kidding"
https://i.imgur.com/pLOrJ.jpg
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On September 28 2016 13:22 Acetone wrote:
Is there any reasoning behind not providing debate participants with the means to support their claims and debunk those of their opponents? You will have a very hard time convincing me that we don't have the technology or that it would be too expensive or laborious. We're talking about the general presidential election here. The way things are now, though, it seems like debate hosts are essentially promoting posturing and lying over the truth by only providing participants with a stage and a microphone.
LEAGUE REFUSES TO "HELP PERPETRATE A FRAUD"
WITHDRAWS SUPPORT FROM FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
WASHINGTON, DC —"The League of Women Voters is withdrawing its sponsorship of the presidential debate scheduled for mid-October because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter," League President Nancy M. Neuman said today.
"It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and honest answers to tough questions," Neuman said. "The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."
Source
Turns out this "Commission of Presidential Debates" group and the networks had no such interference from their integrity.
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