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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 27 2016 08:59 GMT
#104341
On September 27 2016 17:53 zeo wrote:
Seeing as how biased the moderator was Trump did fine, made both Clinton and the mod look like fools. Clinton got really desperate with her character assassination attempts and Trump just deflected with turning them into policy driven answers.

All in all Clinton has no chance against a non-biased moderator. Looking forward to the next debates.

edit: Not to mention Clinton wearing that earpiece.


I sense sarcasm.

I HOPE it's sarcasm...
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
September 27 2016 09:01 GMT
#104342
On September 27 2016 14:58 Chris1 wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/financial-markets-say-clinton-beat-trump-in-the-debate-2016-09-26

http://ca.investing.com/commodities/gold

Gold is the investors safe haven so it should rise for a Trump potus and fall for a Hilary, atleast according to some experts.

It's already up around 26% this year.
What does that say about the financial situation?
I think it's going up no matter who gets in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
September 27 2016 09:04 GMT
#104343
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 27 2016 09:05 GMT
#104344
On September 27 2016 17:57 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:48 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:32 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:36 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 15:54 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
as i am not an american who has to vote for either of those two..i am glad. i feel sorry for you guys out there. i can not come to terms that those two are in vote for presidency. what happend america

Hillary Clinton is maybe not charismatic, but you can make a case that she is the most qualified, most honest and most transparent candidate in recent history. Obama and Sanders endorsed her, she has the full support of the democratic party.

Hatred of HRC is 95% a consequence of right-wing smear campaigns and various types of sexist undercurrents in America. Viewed objectively she is a normal candidate, a normal politician, better than most and with many accomplishments throughout her life, plus the bonus factor of being potentially the first female president.

Trump is an unabashedly sexist and racist cretin, literally a threat to world civilization. His ascendency is a total disgrace.

Please don't equate these two in any way. .


Gotta love this holier-than-though attitude. People like you are just as much to blame for Trump as right wing white supremacists are.

"Sexist undercurrent" and "right wing smear", you have to be joking. There's a lot of objectionable shit about Hillary and the Clinton foundation, lots of reasonable concerns that she's just bullshitting.

Please read this article which demonstrates what everyone already knows: people support the far right because they are racists and because they feel loss of status compared to minorities (see the whining about political correctness). It's not because of the left alienating people, it's because mainstream politicians can not abandon commitment to tolerance and modern governance to cater to white nationalists. And since no good deed goes unpunished they get called out of touch because of it.

By the way, I don't know what you tried to imply, but sexism does exist in the USA and affects how people perceive Clinton. For instance, female authority is rejected. (example)

And there is a long history of right wing smears against Clinton. (some examples here)


I might be misunderstanding you here: Are you implying that all of Trumps supporters are racists?

Being racist correlates to supporting Trump and supporting the European populist parties. You can draw your own conclusions, but in my view Clinton wasn't wrong when she called half of Trump supporters "deplorable".
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
September 27 2016 09:07 GMT
#104345
On September 27 2016 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!


That's all smoke and no fire.

Or rather: that's plenty of smoke, plenty of fire, but Americans don't really care about fire.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 09:09:16
September 27 2016 09:08 GMT
#104346
On September 27 2016 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!

You should have stopped reading at 'John Oliver did a piece' and taken it as a joke.

On September 27 2016 18:07 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!


That's all smoke and no fire.

Or rather: that's plenty of smoke, plenty of fire, but Americans don't really care about fire.

Unless its a fire-arm
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
September 27 2016 09:09 GMT
#104347
On September 27 2016 17:52 Shingi11 wrote:
It just blows me away how incompetent trump is. He set the bar so low he had to basically show up and smile and he would of came out ok and he still fucks it up. Hillary is being judged to presidential elect standards and this debate shows why. I mean if you are going to blow off prep for a 90 min debate what makes you think you are going to do any less running the most powerful country in the world.

Pretty much my impression too. I had (have) to work today, so couldn't stay up for the debate, but the exerpts I saw now are quite impressive. All he had to do was show he could manage to not behave like a toddler for 90 minutes. And even that was too much to ask. All that interrupting when he was having his own quotes thrown back at him was pathetic.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
September 27 2016 09:10 GMT
#104348
On September 27 2016 18:05 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:57 Ghostcom wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:48 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:32 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:36 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 15:54 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
as i am not an american who has to vote for either of those two..i am glad. i feel sorry for you guys out there. i can not come to terms that those two are in vote for presidency. what happend america

Hillary Clinton is maybe not charismatic, but you can make a case that she is the most qualified, most honest and most transparent candidate in recent history. Obama and Sanders endorsed her, she has the full support of the democratic party.

Hatred of HRC is 95% a consequence of right-wing smear campaigns and various types of sexist undercurrents in America. Viewed objectively she is a normal candidate, a normal politician, better than most and with many accomplishments throughout her life, plus the bonus factor of being potentially the first female president.

Trump is an unabashedly sexist and racist cretin, literally a threat to world civilization. His ascendency is a total disgrace.

Please don't equate these two in any way. .


Gotta love this holier-than-though attitude. People like you are just as much to blame for Trump as right wing white supremacists are.

"Sexist undercurrent" and "right wing smear", you have to be joking. There's a lot of objectionable shit about Hillary and the Clinton foundation, lots of reasonable concerns that she's just bullshitting.

Please read this article which demonstrates what everyone already knows: people support the far right because they are racists and because they feel loss of status compared to minorities (see the whining about political correctness). It's not because of the left alienating people, it's because mainstream politicians can not abandon commitment to tolerance and modern governance to cater to white nationalists. And since no good deed goes unpunished they get called out of touch because of it.

By the way, I don't know what you tried to imply, but sexism does exist in the USA and affects how people perceive Clinton. For instance, female authority is rejected. (example)

And there is a long history of right wing smears against Clinton. (some examples here)


I might be misunderstanding you here: Are you implying that all of Trumps supporters are racists?

Being racist correlates to supporting Trump and supporting the European populist parties. You can draw your own conclusions, but in my view Clinton wasn't wrong when she called half of Trump supporters "deplorable".

You can't belittle and browbeat people into voting for a particular candidate or outcome.
Brexit should have shown you that.
The more you do it the more you push fence sitters towards Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
September 27 2016 09:10 GMT
#104349
On September 27 2016 18:05 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:57 Ghostcom wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:48 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:32 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:36 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 15:54 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
as i am not an american who has to vote for either of those two..i am glad. i feel sorry for you guys out there. i can not come to terms that those two are in vote for presidency. what happend america

Hillary Clinton is maybe not charismatic, but you can make a case that she is the most qualified, most honest and most transparent candidate in recent history. Obama and Sanders endorsed her, she has the full support of the democratic party.

Hatred of HRC is 95% a consequence of right-wing smear campaigns and various types of sexist undercurrents in America. Viewed objectively she is a normal candidate, a normal politician, better than most and with many accomplishments throughout her life, plus the bonus factor of being potentially the first female president.

Trump is an unabashedly sexist and racist cretin, literally a threat to world civilization. His ascendency is a total disgrace.

Please don't equate these two in any way. .


Gotta love this holier-than-though attitude. People like you are just as much to blame for Trump as right wing white supremacists are.

"Sexist undercurrent" and "right wing smear", you have to be joking. There's a lot of objectionable shit about Hillary and the Clinton foundation, lots of reasonable concerns that she's just bullshitting.

Please read this article which demonstrates what everyone already knows: people support the far right because they are racists and because they feel loss of status compared to minorities (see the whining about political correctness). It's not because of the left alienating people, it's because mainstream politicians can not abandon commitment to tolerance and modern governance to cater to white nationalists. And since no good deed goes unpunished they get called out of touch because of it.

By the way, I don't know what you tried to imply, but sexism does exist in the USA and affects how people perceive Clinton. For instance, female authority is rejected. (example)

And there is a long history of right wing smears against Clinton. (some examples here)


I might be misunderstanding you here: Are you implying that all of Trumps supporters are racists?

Being racist correlates to supporting Trump and supporting the European populist parties. You can draw your own conclusions, but in my view Clinton wasn't wrong when she called half of Trump supporters "deplorable".


Of course that's your view, that's the sickening attitude of the left that everyone who disagrees with us is a racist / sexist / homophobe / Islamophobe / whatever stupid SJW buzzword of the week you can come with and morally inferior.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
September 27 2016 09:10 GMT
#104350
On September 27 2016 17:59 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:53 zeo wrote:
Seeing as how biased the moderator was Trump did fine, made both Clinton and the mod look like fools. Clinton got really desperate with her character assassination attempts and Trump just deflected with turning them into policy driven answers.

All in all Clinton has no chance against a non-biased moderator. Looking forward to the next debates.

edit: Not to mention Clinton wearing that earpiece.


I sense sarcasm.

I HOPE it's sarcasm...

No. It's zeo. He believes Hillary is a body-double robot sent by the Reptilians to further the Illuminati goals. Or something.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17979 Posts
September 27 2016 09:11 GMT
#104351
On September 27 2016 18:01 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 14:58 Chris1 wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/financial-markets-say-clinton-beat-trump-in-the-debate-2016-09-26

http://ca.investing.com/commodities/gold

Gold is the investors safe haven so it should rise for a Trump potus and fall for a Hilary, atleast according to some experts.

It's already up around 26% this year.
What does that say about the financial situation?
I think it's going up no matter who gets in.

Of course you do, it's basically what you do here. Predict the world will end and the gold price will go up. At least you have returned to your core task. Based on your latest string of coherent posts I was afraid you'd gone sane or something, but glad to see we're back to business as usual
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 27 2016 09:13 GMT
#104352
On September 27 2016 18:08 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!

You should have stopped reading at 'John Oliver did a piece' and taken it as a joke.

Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:07 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!


That's all smoke and no fire.

Or rather: that's plenty of smoke, plenty of fire, but Americans don't really care about fire.

Unless its a fire-arm

fyi, I don't get my information on politics from John Oliver clips, but I linked since it's a fun watch and might be more convincing than an article
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
September 27 2016 09:15 GMT
#104353
On September 27 2016 18:10 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:59 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:53 zeo wrote:
Seeing as how biased the moderator was Trump did fine, made both Clinton and the mod look like fools. Clinton got really desperate with her character assassination attempts and Trump just deflected with turning them into policy driven answers.

All in all Clinton has no chance against a non-biased moderator. Looking forward to the next debates.

edit: Not to mention Clinton wearing that earpiece.


I sense sarcasm.

I HOPE it's sarcasm...

No. It's zeo. He believes Hillary is a body-double robot sent by the Reptilians to further the Illuminati goals. Or something.

ad hominem

ad ˈhɒmɪnɛm/

adverb & adjective
1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"

2. relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
September 27 2016 09:17 GMT
#104354
On September 27 2016 18:13 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:08 zeo wrote:
On September 27 2016 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!

You should have stopped reading at 'John Oliver did a piece' and taken it as a joke.

On September 27 2016 18:07 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
John Oliver did a piece about the Foundation and Email scandals which shows there is nothing there which should disqualify her. And she did release her health records and tax returns. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton which is a secret, only right-wing insinuations that she is hiding something. (is Hillary a robot from other space??)

We'll see, it's only a few weeks now until Julian Assange releases his "October Surprise" mega-batch of emails.
This stuff is apparently far more incriminating than the last stuff he put out.
Gonna be fireworks!


That's all smoke and no fire.

Or rather: that's plenty of smoke, plenty of fire, but Americans don't really care about fire.

Unless its a fire-arm

fyi, I don't get my information on politics from John Oliver clips, but I linked since it's a fun watch and might be more convincing than an article

It actually was hilarious, he even quoted Politifact, I thought that happened only in memes.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 09:25:38
September 27 2016 09:18 GMT
#104355
On September 27 2016 18:10 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:05 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:57 Ghostcom wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:48 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:32 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:36 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 15:54 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
as i am not an american who has to vote for either of those two..i am glad. i feel sorry for you guys out there. i can not come to terms that those two are in vote for presidency. what happend america

Hillary Clinton is maybe not charismatic, but you can make a case that she is the most qualified, most honest and most transparent candidate in recent history. Obama and Sanders endorsed her, she has the full support of the democratic party.

Hatred of HRC is 95% a consequence of right-wing smear campaigns and various types of sexist undercurrents in America. Viewed objectively she is a normal candidate, a normal politician, better than most and with many accomplishments throughout her life, plus the bonus factor of being potentially the first female president.

Trump is an unabashedly sexist and racist cretin, literally a threat to world civilization. His ascendency is a total disgrace.

Please don't equate these two in any way. .


Gotta love this holier-than-though attitude. People like you are just as much to blame for Trump as right wing white supremacists are.

"Sexist undercurrent" and "right wing smear", you have to be joking. There's a lot of objectionable shit about Hillary and the Clinton foundation, lots of reasonable concerns that she's just bullshitting.

Please read this article which demonstrates what everyone already knows: people support the far right because they are racists and because they feel loss of status compared to minorities (see the whining about political correctness). It's not because of the left alienating people, it's because mainstream politicians can not abandon commitment to tolerance and modern governance to cater to white nationalists. And since no good deed goes unpunished they get called out of touch because of it.

By the way, I don't know what you tried to imply, but sexism does exist in the USA and affects how people perceive Clinton. For instance, female authority is rejected. (example)

And there is a long history of right wing smears against Clinton. (some examples here)


I might be misunderstanding you here: Are you implying that all of Trumps supporters are racists?

Being racist correlates to supporting Trump and supporting the European populist parties. You can draw your own conclusions, but in my view Clinton wasn't wrong when she called half of Trump supporters "deplorable".


Of course that's your view, that's the sickening attitude of the left that everyone who disagrees with us is a racist / sexist / homophobe / Islamophobe / whatever stupid SJW buzzword of the week you can come with and morally inferior.

I'm sorry, I'm late to this thread. Who exactly are you talking about when you say "we"? Are you part of a group of people with certain beliefs?

On September 27 2016 18:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:05 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:57 Ghostcom wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:48 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:32 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:36 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 15:54 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
as i am not an american who has to vote for either of those two..i am glad. i feel sorry for you guys out there. i can not come to terms that those two are in vote for presidency. what happend america

Hillary Clinton is maybe not charismatic, but you can make a case that she is the most qualified, most honest and most transparent candidate in recent history. Obama and Sanders endorsed her, she has the full support of the democratic party.

Hatred of HRC is 95% a consequence of right-wing smear campaigns and various types of sexist undercurrents in America. Viewed objectively she is a normal candidate, a normal politician, better than most and with many accomplishments throughout her life, plus the bonus factor of being potentially the first female president.

Trump is an unabashedly sexist and racist cretin, literally a threat to world civilization. His ascendency is a total disgrace.

Please don't equate these two in any way. .


Gotta love this holier-than-though attitude. People like you are just as much to blame for Trump as right wing white supremacists are.

"Sexist undercurrent" and "right wing smear", you have to be joking. There's a lot of objectionable shit about Hillary and the Clinton foundation, lots of reasonable concerns that she's just bullshitting.

Please read this article which demonstrates what everyone already knows: people support the far right because they are racists and because they feel loss of status compared to minorities (see the whining about political correctness). It's not because of the left alienating people, it's because mainstream politicians can not abandon commitment to tolerance and modern governance to cater to white nationalists. And since no good deed goes unpunished they get called out of touch because of it.

By the way, I don't know what you tried to imply, but sexism does exist in the USA and affects how people perceive Clinton. For instance, female authority is rejected. (example)

And there is a long history of right wing smears against Clinton. (some examples here)


I might be misunderstanding you here: Are you implying that all of Trumps supporters are racists?

Being racist correlates to supporting Trump and supporting the European populist parties. You can draw your own conclusions, but in my view Clinton wasn't wrong when she called half of Trump supporters "deplorable".

You can't belittle and browbeat people into voting for a particular candidate or outcome.
Brexit should have shown you that.
The more you do it the more you push fence sitters towards Trump.

This is the typical threat that I see all the time: don't call out racism because then people will vote for racists. I don't think that makes sense. People vote for racists because they are racist, but they don't want to admit this to themselves so they come up with byzantine rationalizations and tales of injured pride or anti-establishment votes or whatnot. And it serves as a useful threat to control the perimeters of the debate, don't call out the elephant in the room and pretend to ignore that these parties serve the interests of a racist base that cares about some form of white nationalism.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
September 27 2016 09:22 GMT
#104356
On September 27 2016 18:05 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:57 Ghostcom wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:48 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:32 DickMcFanny wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:36 Grumbels wrote:
On September 27 2016 15:54 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
as i am not an american who has to vote for either of those two..i am glad. i feel sorry for you guys out there. i can not come to terms that those two are in vote for presidency. what happend america

Hillary Clinton is maybe not charismatic, but you can make a case that she is the most qualified, most honest and most transparent candidate in recent history. Obama and Sanders endorsed her, she has the full support of the democratic party.

Hatred of HRC is 95% a consequence of right-wing smear campaigns and various types of sexist undercurrents in America. Viewed objectively she is a normal candidate, a normal politician, better than most and with many accomplishments throughout her life, plus the bonus factor of being potentially the first female president.

Trump is an unabashedly sexist and racist cretin, literally a threat to world civilization. His ascendency is a total disgrace.

Please don't equate these two in any way. .


Gotta love this holier-than-though attitude. People like you are just as much to blame for Trump as right wing white supremacists are.

"Sexist undercurrent" and "right wing smear", you have to be joking. There's a lot of objectionable shit about Hillary and the Clinton foundation, lots of reasonable concerns that she's just bullshitting.

Please read this article which demonstrates what everyone already knows: people support the far right because they are racists and because they feel loss of status compared to minorities (see the whining about political correctness). It's not because of the left alienating people, it's because mainstream politicians can not abandon commitment to tolerance and modern governance to cater to white nationalists. And since no good deed goes unpunished they get called out of touch because of it.

By the way, I don't know what you tried to imply, but sexism does exist in the USA and affects how people perceive Clinton. For instance, female authority is rejected. (example)

And there is a long history of right wing smears against Clinton. (some examples here)


I might be misunderstanding you here: Are you implying that all of Trumps supporters are racists?

Being racist correlates to supporting Trump and supporting the European populist parties. You can draw your own conclusions, but in my view Clinton wasn't wrong when she called half of Trump supporters "deplorable".


I'm specifically asking you to expand on your statements because I don't want to jump to conclusions...

Now you are stating that being racist (assumption: being racists towards non-whites) correlates to supporting Trump - which is likely true. However, I hope you can see the difference between this, and claiming that everyone who supports Trump are racist (which the initial post I responded to implied). So perhaps you can understand my confusion here?
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 27 2016 09:22 GMT
#104357
On September 27 2016 18:10 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:59 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:53 zeo wrote:
Seeing as how biased the moderator was Trump did fine, made both Clinton and the mod look like fools. Clinton got really desperate with her character assassination attempts and Trump just deflected with turning them into policy driven answers.

All in all Clinton has no chance against a non-biased moderator. Looking forward to the next debates.

edit: Not to mention Clinton wearing that earpiece.


I sense sarcasm.

I HOPE it's sarcasm...

No. It's zeo. He believes Hillary is a body-double robot sent by the Reptilians to further the Illuminati goals. Or something.


There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
September 27 2016 09:24 GMT
#104358
I though Trump looked like shit. He is literally unable to answer a question.

As a first-time viewer, I also found the entire debate deplorable. Just a bunch of name calling and emotionally charged drivel. Polimarketing reality TV... if this is what wins elections in the Golden Age of the West, we are all fucked
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 09:34:21
September 27 2016 09:30 GMT
#104359
On September 27 2016 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:01 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 27 2016 14:58 Chris1 wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/financial-markets-say-clinton-beat-trump-in-the-debate-2016-09-26

http://ca.investing.com/commodities/gold

Gold is the investors safe haven so it should rise for a Trump potus and fall for a Hilary, atleast according to some experts.

It's already up around 26% this year.
What does that say about the financial situation?
I think it's going up no matter who gets in.

Of course you do, it's basically what you do here. Predict the world will end and the gold price will go up. At least you have returned to your core task. Based on your latest string of coherent posts I was afraid you'd gone sane or something, but glad to see we're back to business as usual

Doesn't bother me mate - I've made over 20k on gold mining stocks this year.
Most small caps have doubled or tripled since January.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
September 27 2016 09:33 GMT
#104360
On September 27 2016 18:30 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On September 27 2016 18:01 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On September 27 2016 14:58 Chris1 wrote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/financial-markets-say-clinton-beat-trump-in-the-debate-2016-09-26

http://ca.investing.com/commodities/gold

Gold is the investors safe haven so it should rise for a Trump potus and fall for a Hilary, atleast according to some experts.

It's already up around 26% this year.
What does that say about the financial situation?
I think it's going up no matter who gets in.

Of course you do, it's basically what you do here. Predict the world will end and the gold price will go up. At least you have returned to your core task. Based on your latest string of coherent posts I was afraid you'd gone sane or something, but glad to see we're back to business as usual

Doesn't bother me mate I've made over 20k on gold mining stocks this year.
Most small caps have doubled or tripled since January.


feel free to post your buy and sell orders for the year lmao
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