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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:08 Sent. wrote: Just finished watching the debate and I don't see how Clinton won it as the poll on top suggests. Trump certainly didn't win but it didn't look like a 20-80 defeat to me. He was completely fact free, policy free and rude. 20% for confidence, which he won on. 80:20 seems about right. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On September 27 2016 19:52 DickMcFanny wrote: Yes, it's a great boon for Germany. Except for the tax payers. Or the countless rape victims. Or women in general. Or that girl in Hanau who was slaughtered (including her unborn child) by her brother because her pregnancy of out wedlock brings shame to her family. Or the countless other cases of 'honour' killings like hers. Or young pupils whose education is compromised because a third of their classmates don't speak German. Or gays and lesbians who can't be openly gay without fear of attacks anymore. Or Jews. Or the Christian refugees who have to flee the refugee shelters because they're under severe attacks. Or the over 1000 documented cases of child marriages in Germany. But I know, all isolated cases of peaceful and innocent refugees who suffered due to the German's failure to integrate them. It's somewhere between hilarious and heartbreaking that people like you manage to demonise Trump supporters for homophobia, supremacy and sexism and adore a religion where homophobia, supremacy and sexism are the basically the mission statement. Linking Muslims to violence against women is part of a racist tradition. (link) Stories about rape by immigrants in Western countries are hugely exaggerated. (link) According to studies [...] on general crime, most of the differences in recorded crimes between immigrants and Swedes are explained by socioeconomic factors. according to official statistics on file with The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden has remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. In fact, it actually decreased by .3 percent between 2013 and 2014. Furthermore, please realize you're talking about victims of a civil war who can not always meet your definition of a perfect human being and who might not otherwise be considered for settlement in the country if the circumstances were different. This is how history might judge people who deny refugees. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45362 Posts
On September 27 2016 17:53 zeo wrote: Seeing as how biased the moderator was Trump did fine, made both Clinton and the mod look like fools. Clinton got really desperate with her character assassination attempts and Trump just deflected with turning them into policy driven answers. All in all Clinton has no chance against a non-biased moderator. Looking forward to the next debates. edit: Not to mention Clinton wearing that earpiece. You realize that the moderator was a Republican right? And seeing as how he didn't do his job for 90% of the night- he let Trump get away with dozens of inappropriate interruptions, and he only held Trump accountable to the question he was asked once or twice- Trump looked bad and would have looked far worse if the moderator was competent. I don't think the moderator was biased for Trump, but he sure as hell let Trump get away with a lot of silliness. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45362 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:08 Sent. wrote: Just finished watching the debate and I don't see how Clinton won it as the poll on top suggests. Trump certainly didn't win but it didn't look like a 20-80 defeat to me. Trump had some early game cheese that looked impressive, but then after the five minute mark he just completely stopped making workers. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9285 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trump had some early game cheese that looked impressive, but then after the five minute mark he just completely stopped making workers. Yeah I agree that he really needs to work on his late game | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:17 farvacola wrote: Last night's debate was a relieving sight to see With you. Clinton even won in memes. I mean, as reaction gifs go, that pretty good. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:12 Grumbels wrote: Furthermore, please realize you're talking about victims of a civil war who can not always meet your definition of a perfect human being This just takes the cake, really. Uses the wrong pronoun for a transgender person: literally Hitler. Rapist and honour killers: well we can't all be perfect human beings. I'm out dude. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:17 farvacola wrote: Last night's debate was a relieving sight to see Indeed it was | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:08 Sent. wrote: Just finished watching the debate and I don't see how Clinton won it as the poll on top suggests. Trump certainly didn't win but it didn't look like a 20-80 defeat to me. How would you call trump lying and bullshitting for almost an hour not a complete defeat. I know reddit can be a seas pool a lot of the time but just take a look at how how amost all of what trump said was just a blatant lie about stuff he said in the past. That and he all but came out and said he does not pay taxes cause it is smart and thinks its good business when people start to lose there homes. edit That and people now think he is coke addict too lol | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 27 2016 18:10 DickMcFanny wrote: Of course that's your view, that's the sickening attitude of the left that everyone who disagrees with us is a racist / sexist / homophobe / Islamophobe / whatever stupid SJW buzzword of the week you can come with and morally inferior. the important question is, would you and other trump supporters still support him if he outright said he was a racist? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:19 Plansix wrote: With you. Clinton even won in memes. https://twitter.com/Circa/status/780594058909585413 I mean, as reaction gifs go, that pretty good. She looks like she is having a seizure... is that the joke? | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:22 DickMcFanny wrote: This just takes the cake, really. Uses the wrong pronoun for a transgender person: literally Hitler. Rapist and honour killers: well we can't all be perfect human beings. I'm out dude. I phrased that badly, but what I meant was that 1. you're peddling racist theories about refugees and most of what you said is statistically wrong and 2. to some extent refugees and immigrants will be ill adjusted to the new environment and that will reflect itself in negative behavior. Preventing violence against women is partly related to in-group policing of attitudes and behavior and I don't think it's that odd for these systems to malfunction in these refugee communities that often have to struggle for survival. They might not have had good education or role models and sexism or homophobia might be mainstream in their society. But they are still refugees and Western society by far is strong enough to survive whatever different customs and beliefs they bring here. Mostly I think you're being very callous about people who are really victims, by rhetorically turning them into perpetrators. And why are you talking about transgender all of a sudden? I never mentioned that. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:26 ImFromPortugal wrote: the important question is, would you and other trump supporters still support him if he outright said he was a racist? What the fuck? I don't support him, at all. He's a dangerous moron, he's the worst candidate in my lifetime when it comes to the most important issues (climate change and nuclear proliferation), and he's far, far to the right of myself on economic issues. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:31 Grumbels wrote: Mostly I think you're being very callous about people who are really victims, by rhetorically turning them into perpetrators. You don't have to be either or, you can be both. Though to put their suffering in perspective, most migrants to Germany go to vacation in the countries they're fleeing from. Are they fleeing from a war they haven't caused? Absolutely. But that's not why they're in Germany or Sweden. They go to Germany, Sweden or Holland because of the welfare, plain and simple. Their routes goes through in Turkey / Greece, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Austria. I don't think you can make a case for them being refugees. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:08 Sent. wrote: Just finished watching the debate and I don't see how Clinton won it as the poll on top suggests. Trump certainly didn't win but it didn't look like a 20-80 defeat to me. Well I would say Clinton won ~75% of the debate (once Trump fell off his scripted rails). And most of that was concentrated at the end. So that's a big part of the poll result. I mean, one of his final rhetorical points was actually "I'm a good guy because I was going to say something really nasty about the Clintons and their personal lives but then held myself back." And he hilariously stopped saying "you're wrong" at the end of Clinton's list of misogyny, which makes it look like she was right about the last one. | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:37 DickMcFanny wrote: You don't have to be either or, you can be both. Though to put their suffering in perspective, most migrants to Germany go to vacation in the countries they're fleeing from. Yeah, all those Syrian migrants just itching to go on vacation to Aleppo. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On September 27 2016 20:54 Grumbels wrote: Yeah, all those Syrian migrants just itching to go on vacation to Aleppo. Take out your "pretense to dismiss news as illegitimate"-dice: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article158049400/Fluechtlinge-machen-Urlaub-wo-sie-angeblich-verfolgt-werden.html Again, if they're in Germany, they passed at least six different safe countries, so they're not refugees, they're welfare tourists. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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