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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 00:32:28
August 27 2016 00:31 GMT
#96721
On August 27 2016 09:24 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?

Sums up my growing apathy.

Oh, is it another real scandal/misstep or manufactured scandal/misstep?

The alt right claim Hillary is a corpse being propped up to secure the Presidency for her New World Order Jewish backers while Trump's health statement looks like a ten year old wrote it, right down to the made up website and the gmail address.

No scandal, just another comical aspect of the ongoing Trump circus.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 27 2016 00:37 GMT
#96722
Yeah I'm not saying I know whether the doctor was ethical or not, and I wouldn't say this rises to the level of "scandal". But it's part of a pattern of incompetence and sloppiness in a candidate for president of the US.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 00:44:55
August 27 2016 00:44 GMT
#96723
On August 27 2016 09:23 oBlade wrote:
This should never have been an issue and we're so deep I can't even remember which side is trying to distract from the other.

Entire election in a nutshell, tbh.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 27 2016 01:07 GMT
#96724
On August 27 2016 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:56 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah a physical along with labs etc. doesn't take 5 minutes...several hours along with EKG etc.

edit: Hell certain labs might take a few days if sent out.

No one claimed the physical took 5 minutes. The letter took 5 minutes.

yeah, but the doctor makes it sound like Trump is Superman. It really sounds like something a 10 year old faked lol


reads like the note dr. guy emdee wrote for a 10 year old to get out school, if you catch my drift
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
August 27 2016 01:07 GMT
#96725
I remember when the letter first came out it seemed hilarious, like an 8 year old getting a note to run for president. Apparently a release of some kind of health statement is par for the course though:

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/05/obama-releases-health-record-summary-010686

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/JSM_HealthRecords_052308.pdf

There was more pressure on McCain due to his age. I guess, and if I remember there was pressure on Trump which is why he came out with something so early. Knowing Trump I doubt he'll release anything more.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
August 27 2016 01:18 GMT
#96726
I thought the McCain pressure was because of Palin. It wasn't just that he was old, it was more due to how incredibly unqualified his replacement was in the event of his death. If either Trump or Clinton died in office we'd probably be fine. Trump dying would probably be an improvement.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
August 27 2016 01:23 GMT
#96727
On August 27 2016 09:24 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?

Sums up my growing apathy.

Oh, is it another real scandal/misstep or manufactured scandal/misstep?


People attacked the info released by Clinton's doctor? The 1st time this letter showed up people just laughed at the over the top language and the typos. Now that people are throwing Clinton's health into the ring along with dismissing the statements her doctors have released it is just an interesting comparison to make.
Never Knows Best.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
August 27 2016 01:37 GMT
#96728
On August 27 2016 10:18 KwarK wrote:
I thought the McCain pressure was because of Palin. It wasn't just that he was old, it was more due to how incredibly unqualified his replacement was in the event of his death. If either Trump or Clinton died in office we'd probably be fine. Trump dying would probably be an improvement.

You're saying Pence might be better than Trump? I'd agree he's a better running mate than Palin was.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 27 2016 01:39 GMT
#96729
The best part of the interview with Trump's doctor was him claiming that his mental health was excellent because "his brain is turned on 24 hours a day"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
August 27 2016 01:45 GMT
#96730
On August 27 2016 10:37 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 10:18 KwarK wrote:
I thought the McCain pressure was because of Palin. It wasn't just that he was old, it was more due to how incredibly unqualified his replacement was in the event of his death. If either Trump or Clinton died in office we'd probably be fine. Trump dying would probably be an improvement.

You're saying Pence might be better than Trump? I'd agree he's a better running mate than Palin was.

Pence is probably less likely to disband NATO and demand reparations from China.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
August 27 2016 02:15 GMT
#96731
On August 27 2016 10:37 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 10:18 KwarK wrote:
I thought the McCain pressure was because of Palin. It wasn't just that he was old, it was more due to how incredibly unqualified his replacement was in the event of his death. If either Trump or Clinton died in office we'd probably be fine. Trump dying would probably be an improvement.

You're saying Pence might be better than Trump? I'd agree he's a better running mate than Palin was.


Pence is terrible, but he's basically bog standard terrible. You know all his awful ideas and you know that while you may dislike him and all of those ideas he's not actually unhinged.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 02:25:39
August 27 2016 02:24 GMT
#96732
Well if you believe the whole Trump offer to Kaisch thing then you would have to think Pence would be running a lot of things anyway.

Not that I would want a guy like him appointing Supreme Court justices.
Never Knows Best.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 03:37:34
August 27 2016 03:37 GMT
#96733
On August 27 2016 09:31 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 09:24 Danglars wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?

Sums up my growing apathy.

Oh, is it another real scandal/misstep or manufactured scandal/misstep?

The alt right claim Hillary is a corpse being propped up to secure the Presidency for her New World Order Jewish backers while Trump's health statement looks like a ten year old wrote it, right down to the made up website and the gmail address.

No scandal, just another comical aspect of the ongoing Trump circus.

Felt like McCain was discussed as being too old and frail every week during that campaign! And here we have Hillary with a blood clot, those prism glasses, concussion. In politics anything weird is practically newsworthy and she made me look up post-concussive syndrome back in the day. So if we were to imagine Trump with his age, and same issues in last four years, no release of medical records I'd say media frenzy on the topic (ok for him media frenzy is permanent, but on this topic.) I'd put that to a noninterested observer expecting some agreement to the level of "not auto conspiracy to inquire."

If she looks fine and her usual shrill self in the debates, she'll be fine not releasing a goddamn thing.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 27 2016 03:40 GMT
#96734
On August 27 2016 10:37 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 10:18 KwarK wrote:
I thought the McCain pressure was because of Palin. It wasn't just that he was old, it was more due to how incredibly unqualified his replacement was in the event of his death. If either Trump or Clinton died in office we'd probably be fine. Trump dying would probably be an improvement.

You're saying Pence might be better than Trump? I'd agree he's a better running mate than Palin was.

Pence is one of the three final reasons myself and other area conservatives are voting for Trump (laying aside the lesser of two evils argument.)

I half expected Pence to be more opposed since he's in the Cruz-line of values and most of the thread hates Cruz worse than Trump. I bet deep down it's the same as Tim Caine ... Pence who?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 03:41:00
August 27 2016 03:40 GMT
#96735
I believe the McCain health stuff was mostly about the prostate cancer. And it was almost entirely "alt-left" manufactured rubbish that never ended up near the debate stage or tweeted (or the equivalent) by major campaigns.

Obama never said "Gee, McCain's looking awful sickly" on his twitter.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 27 2016 04:54 GMT
#96736
On August 27 2016 12:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I believe the McCain health stuff was mostly about the prostate cancer. And it was almost entirely "alt-left" manufactured rubbish that never ended up near the debate stage or tweeted (or the equivalent) by major campaigns.

Obama never said "Gee, McCain's looking awful sickly" on his twitter.

He would've said it in a teleprompter speech with 2,000 words and starting off "I don't want to bring my opponent's health into question," to spend the next quarter hour bringing his opponent's health into question. But he has no shortage of allies to do his dirty work ^.^
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
August 27 2016 07:05 GMT
#96737
Again McCain's health was more an issue because of Palin than because of his health. I'd rather a 50% chance of McCain dying with a strong replacement than a 1% chance with Palin.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 10:47:49
August 27 2016 10:10 GMT
#96738
On August 26 2016 11:13 xDaunt wrote:
I still haven't seen anyone actually highlight a particular opinion that Milo holds that is worthy of the hate that he receives. All that I am seeing is general impeachment and character assassination (not to say that it's not all unwarranted).

C'mon, TL liberals. Stop being lame and say something interesting.


I thought part of the problem with the PK regime was that people weren't allowed to express their opinions without being branded as assholes because of them, yet you seem not to acknowledge that people's hatred of Milo stems from his personality rather than his opinions?

I'm totally willing to debate ideas, but this to me seemed like a debate about Milo, and what I am seeing is that most of us leftists are saying that his ideas are largely irrelevant in explaining why we 'hate' him. I think this is slightly off-base - I think his offensive personality is more offensive because we also disagree with his ideas (I think Michael Moore is an absolute clown, but I'll easily admit to being 'more riled up' by someone like Milo), but the point is still that his ideas are not the reason why people refuse to engage with him. If you want to debate his specific ideas, why not provide us with examples of his ideas that are not draped in asshole-skin?
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
August 27 2016 12:00 GMT
#96739
On August 27 2016 13:54 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 12:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I believe the McCain health stuff was mostly about the prostate cancer. And it was almost entirely "alt-left" manufactured rubbish that never ended up near the debate stage or tweeted (or the equivalent) by major campaigns.

Obama never said "Gee, McCain's looking awful sickly" on his twitter.

He would've said it in a teleprompter speech with 2,000 words and starting off "I don't want to bring my opponent's health into question," to spend the next quarter hour bringing his opponent's health into question. But he has no shortage of allies to do his dirty work ^.^


I don't think there's any record of him doing that ever. If you can find something to that effect I'll believe you, but I don't remember it coming up via the campaign at all.

Besides that, I'd still rather have secret pillars of the campaigns pushing stupid non-narratives than the actual campaigns themselves. At least Bush didn't bring up Swiftboat Veterans for Truth publicly.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 27 2016 12:42 GMT
#96740
Even as the partisan divide on gun rights widens in the US, an overwhelming majority of both Clinton and Trump supporters say they support several of the gun control reform proposals that have failed to pass Congress over the past few years, according to a new national survey from the Pew Research Center.

Seventy-five percent of Trump supporters said they favor background checks on private gun sales and sales at gun shows, as did 90% of Clinton supporters. And 82% of Trump supporters said they also favor barring people on federal no-fly or watchlists from buying guns.

Congressional Republicans blocked both of these policies from becoming law this June, in the wake of a terror attack at an Orlando nightclub that left 49 people dead and more than 50 wounded. The attack was the deadliest mass shooting in recent American history.

The strong support for background checks among Trump supporters mirrors the findings of earlier polls, which found that strong majorities of gun owners, Republicans and self-identified National Rifle Association members support expanded background checks.

The new survey results bolster arguments by Democrats and gun control advocates that there are some additional gun laws that most Americans do support, even as the broader debate on gun control remains polarizing, and congressional Republicans refuse to advance any gun control legislation. But the findings also highlight how Democrats’ anti-gun views are out of step with Americans’ generally favorable opinion of gun ownership.

Overall, 58% of the public believes that owning a gun does more to protect gun owners from crime than it might put them at risk, the Pew survey found. But only 32% of Clinton supporters agreed with the statement. Twice as many, 65%, said gun ownership does more to “put people’s safety at risk” than it does to protect them, the survey found.


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