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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2016 20:00 GMT
#96681
On August 27 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:
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On August 27 2016 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
Those are utterly defeated political groups that have no political traction and probably never will


Is it your position that they were defeated in the 60's, 70's? When did they get driven out of the political realm? I'm under the impression that there are still plenty in powerful positions, they just can't freely say the types of things they used to but they sure as hell can still think and act on their prejudices.

I mean I doubt the Virginia AG had no idea that her spokesperson was an overt racist, it was fine until the wrong people found out.

Where's their public platform? Why are they all hidden? What happens when they get outted? The George Wallaces of the country are long gone.


But not their supporters.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 26 2016 20:01 GMT
#96682
On August 27 2016 04:48 OtherWorld wrote:
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On August 27 2016 04:41 zlefin wrote:
A good time to try to get approval voting in the primaries!
gogo blandest candidate.

Well, surely it's better to have bland candidates than megalomaniac crazy individuals, no?
Though approval voting doesn't necessarily gives the blandest candidate the win. Interestingly enough, it takes away from the bland candidates their much overused argument, the "lesser evil".

I like blandness. Well, its' not mcuh fun, but in practice I think I favor the people who tend to be bland. And sound policy is usually boring.
We should focus on electing boring people more.
Worth a try at any rate.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 20:02:35
August 26 2016 20:02 GMT
#96683
how can you say the george wallaces are gone rofl
you know some percentage of his supporters and the children of his supporters that absorbed the message are still around right?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2016 20:04 GMT
#96684
On August 27 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
Those are utterly defeated political groups that have no political traction and probably never will


Is it your position that they were defeated in the 60's, 70's? When did they get driven out of the political realm? I'm under the impression that there are still plenty in powerful positions, they just can't freely say the types of things they used to but they sure as hell can still think and act on their prejudices.

I mean I doubt the Virginia AG had no idea that her spokesperson was an overt racist, it was fine until the wrong people found out.

Where's their public platform? Why are they all hidden? What happens when they get outted? The George Wallaces of the country are long gone.

Do you honestly believe that excludes them coming back? Or that they are not currently making the push right through Trump’s election bid? That they have not molded their push white nationalism to fit the currently zeitgeist in politics? Racism, at its core, rises hand and hand with populism. You can see it throughout history. This time isn’t that different.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6612 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 20:14:05
August 26 2016 20:06 GMT
#96685
On August 27 2016 04:25 Plansix wrote:
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On August 27 2016 04:17 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:52 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:45 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:11 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 02:25 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 02:12 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 01:16 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:As for Milo himself and what he believes, I think he very clearly illustrates the problems with the present, over-expansive definition of racism. And he does this using inflammatory rhetoric to get a rise out of people, but when you actually listen to what his message is, it becomes quite clear that he's not a racist.

You got me there, if we ignore everything racist that he says, it becomes quite clear that he's not a racist.

Milo Yiannopoulos has made hundreds of racist statements: of the worst that you remember, name two.

Using triple paranthesis whenever tweeting about someone that happens to be jewish, which is not some the_donald meme (well it might be now, I guess) but straight up neo-nazi jargon. Then there's using 'apes' when talking about black people. Is that racist enough?

I don't think so if that's what stood out in your mind, because he's Jewish and dates black people (I can't imagine wanting to date someone who was racist against you). Who'd he put parentheses around, himself? Other people "reclaimed" that meme.

Being gay doesn't stop him from claiming lesbians don't exist or being against gay marriage, so why would having some distant Jewish relative stop him from being anti-semitic? Not to mention that he himself distances himself from it and claims to be more catholic than the pope.

Exactly, is he homophobic?

He has spoken out against gay marriage before and I believe he opposed laws that provided discrimination protection for gays. Being gay is mostly about him getting what he wants, to supporting other gay people might face discrimination.

Those are interesting issues and it serves no purpose to discredit someone for not falling in line like a good homosexual. This is the whole problem of the left blob now.

He also said he would support a cure to being gay and believes it’s a sin. He opposes them having basic human rights that other people have and thinks they are a crime against god. But other than that, he isn’t homophobic.

I believe he would have been repeating the dogma of Catholicism, which he's also an adherent of, which says that homosexuality is a sin.
On August 27 2016 04:25 Plansix wrote:
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On August 27 2016 04:23 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:17 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:52 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:45 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:11 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 02:25 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 02:12 oBlade wrote:
[quote]
Milo Yiannopoulos has made hundreds of racist statements: of the worst that you remember, name two.

Using triple paranthesis whenever tweeting about someone that happens to be jewish, which is not some the_donald meme (well it might be now, I guess) but straight up neo-nazi jargon. Then there's using 'apes' when talking about black people. Is that racist enough?

I don't think so if that's what stood out in your mind, because he's Jewish and dates black people (I can't imagine wanting to date someone who was racist against you). Who'd he put parentheses around, himself? Other people "reclaimed" that meme.

Being gay doesn't stop him from claiming lesbians don't exist or being against gay marriage, so why would having some distant Jewish relative stop him from being anti-semitic? Not to mention that he himself distances himself from it and claims to be more catholic than the pope.

Exactly, is he homophobic?

He has spoken out against gay marriage before and I believe he opposed laws that provided discrimination protection for gays. Being gay is mostly about him getting what he wants, to supporting other gay people might face discrimination.

Those are interesting issues and it serves no purpose to discredit someone for not falling in line like a good homosexual. This is the whole problem of the left blob now.


Okay, but he's still homophobic for thinking that way.

Then the word doesn't mean anything that an average person should care about with respect to character assassination.

It has become very clear that you only believe people are homophobic or racist is if they murder someone while yelling “I’m doing this because they are black and gay” at the top of their lungs. At that moment, you have sufficient proof they could be a bigot. Before then, you cannot be sure.

No, I think the political culture in the US needs a hobby besides complaining how everyone is bigoted against everything in probably the freest country ever to exist.

If Milo said you had a child who was gay and you had a chance to wave a magic wand to give them a happier life, it's an interesting question and you should be able to disagree without epithets. More thinking and less sanctimony. When people name-call it's to poison the speaker. You may call him "homophobic" for pointing out that, for example, gay marriage means society losing a lot of the offspring of closeted people who used to reproduce. But don't expect me to react as though the use of that word makes Milo not caring about wedding cakes equivalent to something as poisonous as wanting to imprison people with gay predilections, which is the kind of "homophobic" talk I'd be worried about.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2016 20:13 GMT
#96686
On August 27 2016 05:02 PassiveAce wrote:
how can you say the george wallaces are gone rofl
you know some percentage of his supporters and the children of his supporters that absorbed the message are still around right?

We only need to look at the voting laws specifically targeted to deny the blacks the right to vote to see the people who want repress minorities are alive and in government.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 20:39:28
August 26 2016 20:36 GMT
#96687
On August 27 2016 05:06 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 04:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:17 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:52 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:45 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:11 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 02:25 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 02:12 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 01:16 Dan HH wrote:
[quote]
You got me there, if we ignore everything racist that he says, it becomes quite clear that he's not a racist.

Milo Yiannopoulos has made hundreds of racist statements: of the worst that you remember, name two.

Using triple paranthesis whenever tweeting about someone that happens to be jewish, which is not some the_donald meme (well it might be now, I guess) but straight up neo-nazi jargon. Then there's using 'apes' when talking about black people. Is that racist enough?

I don't think so if that's what stood out in your mind, because he's Jewish and dates black people (I can't imagine wanting to date someone who was racist against you). Who'd he put parentheses around, himself? Other people "reclaimed" that meme.

Being gay doesn't stop him from claiming lesbians don't exist or being against gay marriage, so why would having some distant Jewish relative stop him from being anti-semitic? Not to mention that he himself distances himself from it and claims to be more catholic than the pope.

Exactly, is he homophobic?

He has spoken out against gay marriage before and I believe he opposed laws that provided discrimination protection for gays. Being gay is mostly about him getting what he wants, to supporting other gay people might face discrimination.

Those are interesting issues and it serves no purpose to discredit someone for not falling in line like a good homosexual. This is the whole problem of the left blob now.

He also said he would support a cure to being gay and believes it’s a sin. He opposes them having basic human rights that other people have and thinks they are a crime against god. But other than that, he isn’t homophobic.

I believe he would have been repeating the dogma of Catholicism, which he's also an adherent of, which says that homosexuality is a sin.
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 04:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:23 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:17 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 04:06 Plansix wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:52 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:45 Dan HH wrote:
On August 27 2016 03:11 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 02:25 Dan HH wrote:
[quote]
Using triple paranthesis whenever tweeting about someone that happens to be jewish, which is not some the_donald meme (well it might be now, I guess) but straight up neo-nazi jargon. Then there's using 'apes' when talking about black people. Is that racist enough?

I don't think so if that's what stood out in your mind, because he's Jewish and dates black people (I can't imagine wanting to date someone who was racist against you). Who'd he put parentheses around, himself? Other people "reclaimed" that meme.

Being gay doesn't stop him from claiming lesbians don't exist or being against gay marriage, so why would having some distant Jewish relative stop him from being anti-semitic? Not to mention that he himself distances himself from it and claims to be more catholic than the pope.

Exactly, is he homophobic?

He has spoken out against gay marriage before and I believe he opposed laws that provided discrimination protection for gays. Being gay is mostly about him getting what he wants, to supporting other gay people might face discrimination.

Those are interesting issues and it serves no purpose to discredit someone for not falling in line like a good homosexual. This is the whole problem of the left blob now.


Okay, but he's still homophobic for thinking that way.

Then the word doesn't mean anything that an average person should care about with respect to character assassination.

It has become very clear that you only believe people are homophobic or racist is if they murder someone while yelling “I’m doing this because they are black and gay” at the top of their lungs. At that moment, you have sufficient proof they could be a bigot. Before then, you cannot be sure.

No, I think the political culture in the US needs a hobby besides complaining how everyone is bigoted against everything in probably the freest country ever to exist.

If Milo said you had a child who was gay and you had a chance to wave a magic wand to give them a happier life, it's an interesting question and you should be able to disagree without epithets. More thinking and less sanctimony. When people name-call it's to poison the speaker. You may call him "homophobic" for pointing out that, for example, gay marriage means society losing a lot of the offspring of closeted people who used to reproduce. But don't expect me to react as though the use of that word makes Milo not caring about wedding cakes equivalent to something as poisonous as wanting to imprison people with gay predilections, which is the kind of "homophobic" talk I'd be worried about.


Tell me why the bolded part is a bad thing and why it is even brought up at all? Unless its again about boosting numbers of "your side" in this game of race thrones Milo and the alt-right want to play.

Like what is the point even bringing that up besides the fact that it is an argument. Too bad that it says "I am grasping at straws" because I don't have any leg to stand on besides meh religious ones.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 20:59:24
August 26 2016 20:58 GMT
#96688
Let's just all agree that Milo is a turd pile of a person and move on.

Also, admitting that Trump is associated with the alt right is admitting that he's going to lose a national election, if anyone was in doubt.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9251 Posts
August 26 2016 21:11 GMT
#96689
On August 27 2016 05:58 Doodsmack wrote:
Let's just all agree that Milo is a turd pile of a person and move on.

Also, admitting that Trump is associated with the alt right is admitting that he's going to lose a national election, if anyone was in doubt.

We can't, that's the thing. The guy that wrote this steaming pile of shit was described as 'incredibly thoughtful with well developed ideas' in this thread.

Unless we want to fall behind the emerging superpowers in the east, and the Muslim world, we should follow their example and encourage gay men to keep having children and raising them in traditional nuclear family structures, whatever their private proclivities. I hate to exaggerate, but you might say that the future of the West sort of depends on us faggots leaping back in the closet and churning out a few kids.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 26 2016 21:18 GMT
#96690
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 26 2016 21:19 GMT
#96691
Remember Judge Garland everyone? Senate Republicans decided to decline him and bank on a Trump win...
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22667 Posts
August 26 2016 21:25 GMT
#96692
On August 27 2016 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:
Remember Judge Garland everyone? Senate Republicans decided to decline him and bank on a Trump win...

They know the white house is lost barring a massive crisis. If they declined him now its to avoid his situation as a possible line of attack against senators.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 26 2016 21:26 GMT
#96693
On August 27 2016 06:11 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 05:58 Doodsmack wrote:
Let's just all agree that Milo is a turd pile of a person and move on.

Also, admitting that Trump is associated with the alt right is admitting that he's going to lose a national election, if anyone was in doubt.

The guy that wrote this steaming pile of shit was described as 'incredibly thoughtful with well developed ideas' in this thread.



Even accepting that Milo isn't racist, him layering "incredible thoughtfulness" under an asshole exterior nullifies his "incredible thoughtfulness".

But Trump has been defended for saying "blood coming out of her wherever" (emphasis his) in this thread, so we should not be surprised.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2016 21:47 GMT
#96694
Donald Trump’s campaign chief has moved his voter registration to the home of one his website’s writers, after the Guardian disclosed that he was previously registered at an empty house in Florida where he did not live.

Stephen Bannon is now registered to vote at the Florida house of Andy Badolato, who reports for Breitbart News and has worked with Bannon in the past on the production of political films.

According to public records, Badolato, 52, and two of his adult sons are also registered to vote at the property, which he co-owns with his ex-wife.

A spokeswoman for Bannon, a spokesman for Trump, and Badolato did not respond to emailed questions about whether Bannon lives at the single-family house, which is listed as his residence on his new voter registration record in Sarasota County.

Alexandra Preate, a spokeswoman for Bannon, said earlier in an email that “Mr Bannon moved to a different residence in Florida”, repeating a statement about the issue that was previously released by Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller.

The Sarasota County supervisor of elections advises new registrants that they must use the address of their legal residence, and notes prominently that applying with untrue information can result in a felony charge punishable by five years in prison or a fine of up to $5,000.


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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
August 26 2016 21:48 GMT
#96695
Not hard to link this all this alt-right business back to Trump. Trump owns the whole steaming pile because Trump hired Bannon as campaign CEO. Bannon is CEO of Breitbart. Bannon says:

"We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon told me proudly when I interviewed him at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July. Though disavowed by every other major conservative news outlet, the alt-right has been Bannon's target audience ever since he took over Breitbart News from its late founder, Andrew Breitbart, four years ago.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-alt-right-breitbart-news
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 26 2016 22:06 GMT
#96696
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 26 2016 22:06 GMT
#96697
It'll be truly bizarre if Trump tries to distance himself from the alt-right. I think democrats and the media will do a good enough job at demonizing the alt-right that Trump will have to do something.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22667 Posts
August 26 2016 22:09 GMT
#96698
On August 27 2016 07:06 Mohdoo wrote:
It'll be truly bizarre if Trump tries to distance himself from the alt-right. I think democrats and the media will do a good enough job at demonizing the alt-right that Trump will have to do something.

He has burned to many bridges and pissed off to many people.

If he turns his back to the alt-right where is he going to go? No one else will listen to him, let alone be convinced.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 26 2016 22:21 GMT
#96699

Former Bush administration official Paul Wolfowitz said he is considering voting for Hillary Clinton in an interview in which he lambasted Donald Trump as dangerous.

...

"The only way you can be comfortable about Trump's foreign policy is to think he doesn't really mean anything he says. That's a pretty uncomfortable place to be in," Wolfowitz said. "Our security depends on having good relationships with our allies. Trump mainly shows contempt for them. And he seems to be unconcerned about the Russian aggression in Ukraine. By doing this he tells them that they can go ahead and do what they are doing. That is dangerous."


CNN
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
August 26 2016 22:22 GMT
#96700
More fun Trump news:

Trump Doctor Wrote Health Letter in Just 5 Minutes as Limo Waited

"Bornstein said that after he was asked to write the letter, he thought about what he would say all day but did not type it out until the last minute as a black car sent by Trump waited to collect it. He said he didn't even proofread it.

The doctor said he would not normally use such over-the-top language in a letter for a patient but he made an exception for Trump.

"I think I picked up his kind of language and then just interpreted it to my own," he said.
"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-doctor-wrote-health-letter-just-5-minutes-limo-waited-n638526
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