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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 26 2016 22:24 GMT
#96701
On August 27 2016 07:22 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
More fun Trump news:

Trump Doctor Wrote Health Letter in Just 5 Minutes as Limo Waited

"Bornstein said that after he was asked to write the letter, he thought about what he would say all day but did not type it out until the last minute as a black car sent by Trump waited to collect it. He said he didn't even proofread it.

The doctor said he would not normally use such over-the-top language in a letter for a patient but he made an exception for Trump.

"I think I picked up his kind of language and then just interpreted it to my own," he said.
"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-doctor-wrote-health-letter-just-5-minutes-limo-waited-n638526


best ppl

best words
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 22:30:34
August 26 2016 22:30 GMT
#96702
Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson’s campaign is spending nearly $1 million on advertising in four battleground states, plus Oregon, Utah and his home state of New Mexico, as part of a new advertising blitz.

The new ad spending is the first indication of where Johnson is hoping to compete in the coming weeks. The former New Mexico governor’s campaign is spending $806,195 this month on radio ads in Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin, according to a media buying source.

The campaign also is spending money on digital billboards as part of its advertising push, said Johnson campaign spokesman Joe Hunter. Additional advertising is expected through Labor Day, bringing the total spending to at least $1 million, he said.

One of the ads features Johnson arguing that “if a Democrat is elected president, if a Republican is elected president, in four years we will still be at war, America will be four years deeper in debt, we will have four more years of rising taxes.”

A second ad is Johnson arguing against a two-party system.

“Google me, 60 percent of you have said you want another choice in 2016 and now you have one in me,” Johnson says in the ad. “We the people have a chance to do something in 2016 that may not come again in our lifetime. We have a legitimate chance to elect one of our own to the highest office in the land.”

The third ad features Juan Hernandez, an expert on trade policy and economics who’s served as an adviser to Sen. John McCain, former Mexico President Vicente Fox and former President George W. Bush.
That radio ad will air in Hispanic markets, Hunter said.

“I’ve always considered myself a Republican, but this year I’ve decided to support Gary Johnson for president,” Hernandez says. “As a Latino, I’m tired of the insults coming from [Donald] Trump, and I can no longer believe that this the promises of the left will be kept.”

Hernandez goes on to highlight Johnson’s immigration plan. “It’s a reform that doesn’t unrealistically talk about deporting 11 million people and doesn’t separate families,” he said. “Oh, and it doesn’t build a wall.”


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 26 2016 23:12 GMT
#96703
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 26 2016 23:21 GMT
#96704
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
August 26 2016 23:33 GMT
#96705
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]


The campaign is taking a toll on Trump. All he can do is rattle off memorized talking points now. He has a speech and pretends he doesn't hear the question. Check out his ragged face and totally off color hair.

https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/25/cnn-trump-denies-existence-alt-right/212682
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 26 2016 23:40 GMT
#96706
according to healthgrades, trump's doc finished his fellowship in 1980, so he's been treating trump basically since the start of his career
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 26 2016 23:40 GMT
#96707
On August 27 2016 08:12 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/joshgondelman/status/769295067198656512


To be fair it is a really common look among doctors, maybe not as much for PCPs but he would fit right in in the research lab.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 26 2016 23:41 GMT
#96708
imho there should be a law requiring all presidential candidates to get an examination by some good government doctors (like the people who normally do the exams on the president or somesuch).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6077 Posts
August 26 2016 23:44 GMT
#96709
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22284 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 23:47:11
August 26 2016 23:46 GMT
#96710
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?

People are making a huff that it was written in 5 minutes.

I don't get it either.

I think the lack of a major controversy in the last 24h is causing people to get confused.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 23:49:45
August 26 2016 23:48 GMT
#96711
Yeah a physical along with labs etc. doesn't take 5 minutes...several hours along with EKG etc.

edit: Hell certain labs might take a few days if sent out.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 26 2016 23:52 GMT
#96712
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?


Read the letter. Including the 3rd word at the top. And the last sentence. Do you take the letter seriously?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 26 2016 23:53 GMT
#96713
On August 27 2016 08:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?

People are making a huff that it was written in 5 minutes.

I don't get it either.

I think the lack of a major controversy in the last 24h is causing people to get confused.

This isn't even new either, though. All that happened is he confirmed what everyone already knew, lol.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22284 Posts
August 26 2016 23:56 GMT
#96714
On August 27 2016 08:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah a physical along with labs etc. doesn't take 5 minutes...several hours along with EKG etc.

edit: Hell certain labs might take a few days if sent out.

No one claimed the physical took 5 minutes. The letter took 5 minutes.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6077 Posts
August 26 2016 23:57 GMT
#96715
On August 27 2016 08:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?


Read the letter. Including the 3rd word at the top. And the last sentence. Do you take the letter seriously?

Do you even know what PSA and statins are without having to look them up?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 26 2016 23:57 GMT
#96716
On August 27 2016 08:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah a physical along with labs etc. doesn't take 5 minutes...several hours along with EKG etc.

edit: Hell certain labs might take a few days if sent out.

No one claimed the physical took 5 minutes. The letter took 5 minutes.

yeah, but the doctor makes it sound like Trump is Superman. It really sounds like something a 10 year old faked lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 27 2016 00:02 GMT
#96717
On August 27 2016 08:57 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:52 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?


Read the letter. Including the 3rd word at the top. And the last sentence. Do you take the letter seriously?

Do you even know what PSA and statins are without having to look them up?


That's a cool red herring but as you can see I'm calling into question the credibility of the doctor's report.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 00:10:30
August 27 2016 00:03 GMT
#96718
Most of the weirdness isn't in the letter itself, but some of the details. The image Doodsmack linked doesn't have the whole letter.

[image loading]

The web address in the header doesn't go to the physician's website, and is a dead link (or was, someone apparently bought the domain since then). Plus, if he's a hospital-affiliated physician like the signature at the bottom indicates, it's a little weird that his e-mail isn't @ the hospital, but is rather a personal gmail address. Same goes for not linking the hospital's website (or even including a website at all for that matter--physicians normally don't include that). These things aren't really explained by the letter being written in 5 minutes because the header is going to come off a form/template anyway so how would those issues not have been fixed if he uses that form for every letter he writes?

They aren't damning issues in and of themselves, but it's not unreasonable to find the letter questionable when there are so many issues. I'm not going to pretend I have an explanation or go so far as to say that there's obvious misconduct, but it is a rather strange situation on the whole. I don't think you can simply brush it off as being totally normal because it clearly isn't.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6077 Posts
August 27 2016 00:23 GMT
#96719
On August 27 2016 09:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:57 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:52 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?


Read the letter. Including the 3rd word at the top. And the last sentence. Do you take the letter seriously?

Do you even know what PSA and statins are without having to look them up?


That's a cool red herring but as you can see I'm calling into question the credibility of the doctor's report.

You are questioning a doctor's ethics or even competence who you'd never met or even seen (I think you've been talking about the letter since before there was video of him). Obviously the last line is bullshit. We've mostly all figured out that the doctor is not an expert in the health of Presidents-elect and never examined any of the 43.

What's wrong with the rest? No cancer, good blood pressure, if Donald Trump had ever had a heart attack I expect it would have made news, no surgeries. What do you think's being omitted, what information isn't there that you're concerned about for Trump? The only thing I can come up with wanting more info about might be Alzheimer's like in the vein of Reagan.

But despite all the talk about Clinton's sleepiness, I actually don't think we're supposed to be privy to candidates' medical history. I get the desire to speculate and people even leaping to conclusions, but should we be putting doctors in a position where they are supposed to exonerate people from attacks on their fitness... or shouldn't that be left to journalism, "insider sources: Trump unhinged, Clinton narcoleptic," even if one of them had a major problem.

I thought it was funny he released the letter but now acting like HRC is obligated to release something, and also people demanding a second opinion about Trump, is all bullshit. This should never have been an issue and we're so deep I can't even remember which side is trying to distract from the other.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 27 2016 00:24 GMT
#96720
On August 27 2016 08:44 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 08:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Wait is Trump asking Hillary to release her health records? When he released this?

[image loading]

What's wrong this time?

Sums up my growing apathy.

Oh, is it another real scandal/misstep or manufactured scandal/misstep?
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