EPTThis should not surprise anyone. Wikileaks is a Kremlin puppet.
See: https://20committee.com/2015/08/31/wikileaks-is-a-front-for-russian-intelligence/
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2654 Posts
This should not surprise anyone. Wikileaks is a Kremlin puppet. See: https://20committee.com/2015/08/31/wikileaks-is-a-front-for-russian-intelligence/ | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:20 Plansix wrote:And the only thing they would have to lean on is good will from the public, which they seem to not care about that much. It's amazing to see how far they've dropped. They've lost most of my sympathy. In a way, I'd say they've lost all my sympathy. They are the go-to place to throw leaks to, but it's not like they are some kinda covert ops unit that is infiltrating world governments. If they were, they'd all be buried in a ditch somewhere. If Wikileaks crumbles, as I expect it will, there will always be another way to leak information. As far as I am concerned, Wikileaks is no longer serving a worthwhile purpose by simply being a place to dump leaks. Perhaps I'm wrong there. But it really just seems like Wikileaks has the prestige (if you want to call it that), but not much else. This recent shit with leaking names of homosexuals is really fucked up and so needlessly reckless. On August 24 2016 04:57 killa_robot wrote: Most reasonable people expected Trump to do this though. Say crazy shit, offended everyone, then when the election gets close tone it back and appeal to as many people as possible. I have no idea why this surprises anyone. It surprises me because of how long he waited. He should have been doing this as soon as he won Indiana. He should have talked about single payer and other stuff before the GOP convention even started. Instead, he let himself dig an even DEEPER hole once the primary was no longer competitive. He won't be able to shake the image he currently has. Trump is an international icon at this point. Not a pretty icon. In many ways, the entire country is coming together against Trump in ways we have never seen in any other election. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2654 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:20 Plansix wrote: I saw that earlier today. Wikileaks is burning through that good will at alarming speeds. I can’t think of anything more reckless. People are likely going to die because Wikileaks refuses to redact any information or think of the risk to other people. And Wikileaks is not invisible, they can be found by world governments. And the only thing they would have to lean on is good will from the public, which they seem to not care about that much. Well, Plansix, the reason Wikileaks is doing what it is doing is because it does not lean on good will from the public. It leans on good will from Vladimir Putin. On August 24 2016 05:25 Mohdoo wrote: It's amazing to see how far they've dropped. They've lost most of my sympathy. In a way, I'd say they've lost all my sympathy. They are the go-to place to throw leaks to, but it's not like they are some kinda covert ops unit that is infiltrating world governments. If they were, they'd all be buried in a ditch somewhere. If Wikileaks crumbles, as I expect it will, there will always be another way to leak information. As far as I am concerned, Wikileaks is no longer serving a worthwhile purpose by simply being a place to dump leaks. Perhaps I'm wrong there. But it really just seems like Wikileaks has the prestige (if you want to call it that), but not much else. This recent shit with leaking names of homosexuals is really fucked up and so needlessly reckless. See above. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
edit: Apparently I can't spell when tired, sorry. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15687 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:29 hunts wrote: Jeeze, at the rate that trump is digging his whole, he just may reach China before the election. Prompting the Chinese to claim this passageway has historically been Chinese territory. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
I think Trump would have to be a little more explicit and forthright if a pivot is going to be credible. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
As for private information being leaked... sadly that's all too commonly associated with leaks in general. Either you have to accept that leaks will often have collateral damage, or you oppose them as a whole. I don't think there is an easy answer to that. | ||
KwarK
United States42656 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:31 Mohdoo wrote: Prompting the Chinese to claim this passageway has historically been Chinese territory. I think you'll find that this tunnel appears on old books about the area that were used by Chinese fishermen. We've even seen the book. We can't show you the book because the fisherman in question, Su Chengfen, threw the book away. However we can assure you that the book existed and that it unequivocally proved that the tunnel belongs to China. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36545565 | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44316 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Wow... https://twitter.com/pollreport/status/768145733375504384 Edit nvm. Wrong state  | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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oBlade
United States5583 Posts
-It's totally impossible to deport 12 million people when Trump says at rallies "they have to go back" -Trump has no "specifics" -Trump is never going to pivot like he surely has to in order to win to: Trump is flip-flopping on his only real issue. + Show Spoiler + The point when he can do the same as Obama, Bush, and especially Eisenhower is that the framework and laws for the most part already exist and the immigration policy is not as radical as you would imagine. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2654 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:29 Plansix wrote: Lord of Awesome: oh I am fully aware of the likely strong ties to Russia, but that is a touchy subject in this thread. People get very upset if you act like Wikileaks might have their own motive and agenda and shouldn’t be trusted. They should not be trusted. In the article I linked, there is a link to an article in Spanish from a Wikileaks supporters forum, captured by a web archiving bot. In the Spanish article, Assange specifically requests Russian guards at the Ecuadorean embassy in London. So, "It is, to say the least, surpassingly strange that a Western “privacy advocate” wants Russian secret police protection while hiding out in a Western country." Also, there is the fact that Assange counseled Snowden to head to Russia rather than Latin America, because Assange claimed that "only in Russia" could Snowden be safe from the arm of the CIA. Only in Russia would Ed be safe, Julian counseled, because there he would be protected by Vladimir Putin and his secret services, notably the FSB. One might think that seeking the shelter of the FSB—one of the world’s nastiest secret police forces that spies on millions without warrant and murders opponents freely—might be an odd choice for a “privacy organization.” But Wikileaks is no ordinary NGO. Why Assange knew Russia would take in Snowden—it could be a big political hassle for Moscow—is a key question that any counterintelligence officer would want answered. Was Julian speaking on behalf of the FSB or did he just “know” Ed could obtain the sanctuary plus protection he sought? Wikileaks, at this point in time, is as obvious a front for Russian spies as anything a regular person will ever see. If someone still denies that Wikileaks has become a Russian operation, then I doubt he will ever be convinced. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:37 LegalLord wrote: I find it very unlikely that an organization like Wikileaks would exist without a powerful ally keeping it from being shat on. I think ties to Russia are pretty likely based on a few little tidbits I've gathered over its years of operation. As for private information being leaked... sadly that's all too commonly associated with leaks in general. Either you have to accept that leaks will often have collateral damage, or you oppose them as a whole. I don't think there is an easy answer to that. If those are my two options with an agency I have zero recourse against who can harm me, I choose that they should not exist and leaks shouldn’t happen through them. Leaks can happen other ways and with more responsible parties. In reality, wikileak are a bunch of cowards who like to release information, but will whine about free speech and the injustice of the corrupt system when caught. With Snowden, we knew his name and who he is. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2654 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:37 LegalLord wrote: I find it very unlikely that an organization like Wikileaks would exist without a powerful ally keeping it from being shat on. I think ties to Russia are pretty likely based on a few little tidbits I've gathered over its years of operation. As for private information being leaked... sadly that's all too commonly associated with leaks in general. Either you have to accept that leaks will often have collateral damage, or you oppose them as a whole. I don't think there is an easy answer to that. Wikileaks does not redact private information in any form. Amusingly, Snowden himself got into a Twitter fight with Wikileaks over their policy of redacting no personal information whatsoever. http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/07/edward-snowden-wikileaks-dnc-226386 | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:41 oBlade wrote: We go from: -It's totally impossible to deport 12 million people when Trump says at rallies "they have to go back" -Trump has no "specifics" -Trump is never going to pivot like he surely has to in order to win to: Trump is flip-flopping on his only real issue. + Show Spoiler + The point when he can do the same as Obama, Bush, and especially Eisenhower is that the framework and laws for the most part already exist and the immigration policy is not as radical as you would imagine. Technically the line about it being impossible to deport 12 million people and him not having specifics is still sorta true. He isn't being specific, he just said he'll do what Barack has done but with more energy. And Barack hasn't deported 12 million people. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:41 oBlade wrote: We go from: -It's totally impossible to deport 12 million people when Trump says at rallies "they have to go back" -Trump has no "specifics" -Trump is never going to pivot like he surely has to in order to win to: Trump is flip-flopping on his only real issue. + Show Spoiler + The point when he can do the same as Obama, Bush, and especially Eisenhower is that the framework and laws for the most part already exist and the immigration policy is not as radical as you would imagine. Do you know how many Obama deported in 8 years? ~2.5 million. That's why 11 million was, and is, a dumb number Trump blew out his ass and hung a flag on. Also, 11 million is the estimate for that total number of illegal immigrants in the United States, which is certainly not doable with Obama's procedures in a decade, let alone a term. Eisenhower's almost-certainly-unconstitutional and borderline human-rights abusing "Operation Wetback" only deported 1.3 (maybe 1.5) million people and took four years. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 24 2016 05:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Wikileaks does not redact private information in any form. Amusingly, Snowden himself got into a Twitter fight with Wikileaks over their policy of redacting no personal information whatsoever. http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/07/edward-snowden-wikileaks-dnc-226386 Which is 100% code for “We don’t give a fuck about anyone or who we hurt with the stolen information we obtain. Fuck other people’s right privacy.” The fact that went after Snowden like we was attempting to get a pardon from Clinton is telling. They consider you an ally right up until the point where you don’t 100% agree with them. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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