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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
August 23 2016 16:59 GMT
#96121
About fucking time.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 23 2016 17:00 GMT
#96122
Trump could really turn out to be a lose-lose-lose for the Republican party. His fundraising for other Republicans down ballot is not too great. Republican voters who picked Trump, no matter how dissatisfied they may be with the Republican establishment, may just be helping the Democrats. If Trump loses and Republicans lose a lot in Congress, it's a pretty spectacular failure for the non-Democrat cause.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 23 2016 17:03 GMT
#96123
On August 24 2016 00:57 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 05:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:28 mahrgell wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:26 mahrgell wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:23 On_Slaught wrote:
Man, are we really having a discussion about whether a mess is sexist? Let's all just agree he acts like a piece of shit to all people equally.

Unless you're Russian.


Glad you agree it isn't sexist and it's fucking retarded for doodsmack to assert it is


You know that your insistence on this "victory" makes you look pretty much the same as doodsmack?


I'd argue your defense of him makes you look like him.


You may have noticed I already agreed on your judgement of him, which I would call hardly "defending him".
But go on.


I think it's funny how if some alt-right guy comes in this thread posting nonsense when everyone jumps on his bullshit, none of the right-oriented posters speak up to defend him. Bullshit is bullshit and there's no need to.

But it seems like when a regressive-left guy like doodsmack starts spreading nonsense, if you try to call him out on it the cavalry comes because left sticks together even if it's just retarded

No one should be defending Doodsmack's argument here yet so many of you are fighting against the shitstorm he's getting. He said something ridiculous. He got called out on it and refused to acknowledge he was wrong.


it's more funny how if someone comes in giving a horrible source like infowars or breitbart but gives some batshit crazy conspiracy theory about someone the right wing people dislike, all the "right-oriented posters" speak up to defend them and their horrible source.

Source policy has been a low bar from StealthBlue on down. It comes down to criticizing the article itself or get off your high horse on sources. Legitimate criticisms include lack of sources or questionable sources, specious reasoning, and uncritical examination. Sure, Breitbart will engage in Trump cheerleading a hefty amount and InfoWars publishes maybe a good article every fifty. HuffPo generates some awful drivel and some Politico articles could be DNC press releases. We're way beyond horrible sources (unless we're including stormfront) and that ship has sailed. I expect everyone to know how to read an article within the context of the source just as most introductory college classes/HS classes teach their students to do. It's better to get both sides from whoever's publishing than rely on your left-wing or right-wing outlet that's your favorite.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2016 17:04 GMT
#96124
On August 24 2016 01:59 farvacola wrote:
About fucking time.

The fact that is was disputed is really annoying. I grow tired of these "Should these poorly paid group of employees with questionable employment status be able to work together collectively?" legal questions.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
August 23 2016 17:47 GMT
#96125
Now when are they going to do something about Adjuncts.
Never Knows Best.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 23 2016 18:07 GMT
#96126
On August 24 2016 02:03 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2016 00:57 hunts wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:28 mahrgell wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:26 mahrgell wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On August 23 2016 05:23 On_Slaught wrote:
Man, are we really having a discussion about whether a mess is sexist? Let's all just agree he acts like a piece of shit to all people equally.

Unless you're Russian.


Glad you agree it isn't sexist and it's fucking retarded for doodsmack to assert it is


You know that your insistence on this "victory" makes you look pretty much the same as doodsmack?


I'd argue your defense of him makes you look like him.


You may have noticed I already agreed on your judgement of him, which I would call hardly "defending him".
But go on.


I think it's funny how if some alt-right guy comes in this thread posting nonsense when everyone jumps on his bullshit, none of the right-oriented posters speak up to defend him. Bullshit is bullshit and there's no need to.

But it seems like when a regressive-left guy like doodsmack starts spreading nonsense, if you try to call him out on it the cavalry comes because left sticks together even if it's just retarded

No one should be defending Doodsmack's argument here yet so many of you are fighting against the shitstorm he's getting. He said something ridiculous. He got called out on it and refused to acknowledge he was wrong.


it's more funny how if someone comes in giving a horrible source like infowars or breitbart but gives some batshit crazy conspiracy theory about someone the right wing people dislike, all the "right-oriented posters" speak up to defend them and their horrible source.

Source policy has been a low bar from StealthBlue on down. It comes down to criticizing the article itself or get off your high horse on sources. Legitimate criticisms include lack of sources or questionable sources, specious reasoning, and uncritical examination. Sure, Breitbart will engage in Trump cheerleading a hefty amount and InfoWars publishes maybe a good article every fifty. HuffPo generates some awful drivel and some Politico articles could be DNC press releases. We're way beyond horrible sources (unless we're including stormfront) and that ship has sailed. I expect everyone to know how to read an article within the context of the source just as most introductory college classes/HS classes teach their students to do. It's better to get both sides from whoever's publishing than rely on your left-wing or right-wing outlet that's your favorite.


Let's just say there is a difference between tofu sandwich and turd sandwich.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-23 18:45:29
August 23 2016 18:44 GMT
#96127
Check it out, everything Trump says is meaningless. Trump is now saying he would do what Obama is doing on immigration, but with more energy. I will abide no Trump supporters who claim they vote for him on some kind of principle. Immigration hardlinerness was Trump's only real policy and now he is out and out saying he will ape Obama. There are no principles left to flip flop on in his con-campaign.

"If he wins the November election, the Republican presidential nominee said Monday, he would do “the same thing” as President Barack Obama in prioritizing the removal of criminals residing in the U.S. illegally, but “perhaps with a lot more energy.”

“As far as everybody else, we’re going to go through the process, ” he said. “What people don’t know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country, Bush the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I’m going to do the same thing.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-23/trump-floats-obama-like-deportation-plan-and-fans-don-t-mind
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
August 23 2016 18:49 GMT
#96128
On August 24 2016 03:44 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Check it out, everything Trump says is meaningless. Trump is now saying he would do what Obama is doing on immigration, but with more energy. I will abide no Trump supporters who claim they vote for him on some kind of principle. Immigration hardlinerness was Trump's only real policy and now he is out and out saying he will ape Obama. There are no principles left to flip flop on in his con-campaign.

"If he wins the November election, the Republican presidential nominee said Monday, he would do “the same thing” as President Barack Obama in prioritizing the removal of criminals residing in the U.S. illegally, but “perhaps with a lot more energy.”

“As far as everybody else, we’re going to go through the process, ” he said. “What people don’t know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country, Bush the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I’m going to do the same thing.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-23/trump-floats-obama-like-deportation-plan-and-fans-don-t-mind

what the...
I dont even...
How...
but...

WTF is going on here? Did someone within his campaign finally put a gun to his head?
If he going to walk it all back again next week (or tomorrow)?
Does he think he can undo all the shit he has said for months?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2016 18:52 GMT
#96129
He will talk about mass deportations tomorrow and claims Obama is doing the same thing. It is a wonder the man knows what day of the week it is, let alone what Obama’s immigration policies.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
August 23 2016 18:55 GMT
#96130
On August 24 2016 03:52 Plansix wrote:
He will talk about mass deportations tomorrow and claims Obama is doing the same thing. It is a wonder the man knows what day of the week it is, let alone what Obama’s immigration policies.

Reminds me of

1. Obama created ISIS
2. No, I meant that literally
3. Haha, does no one in the media understand sarcasm?
4. Well I wasn't entirely sarcastic, only a little
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
August 23 2016 18:56 GMT
#96131
On August 24 2016 03:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2016 03:44 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Check it out, everything Trump says is meaningless. Trump is now saying he would do what Obama is doing on immigration, but with more energy. I will abide no Trump supporters who claim they vote for him on some kind of principle. Immigration hardlinerness was Trump's only real policy and now he is out and out saying he will ape Obama. There are no principles left to flip flop on in his con-campaign.

"If he wins the November election, the Republican presidential nominee said Monday, he would do “the same thing” as President Barack Obama in prioritizing the removal of criminals residing in the U.S. illegally, but “perhaps with a lot more energy.”

“As far as everybody else, we’re going to go through the process, ” he said. “What people don’t know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country, Bush the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I’m going to do the same thing.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-23/trump-floats-obama-like-deportation-plan-and-fans-don-t-mind

what the...
I dont even...
How...
but...

WTF is going on here? Did someone within his campaign finally put a gun to his head?
If he going to walk it all back again next week (or tomorrow)?
Does he think he can undo all the shit he has said for months?


I honestly believe that Trump had no idea what our immigration laws involved and believed all the anti-immigrant hype on FOX and DRUDGEREPORT. E.g., Trump would read the headlines from FOX and DRUDGE but then not even read the article.

Consider the state of his campaign. Trump only recently got a professional Republican adviser (Conway). Did Trump ever sound like he knew anything about immigration beyond "immigrants bad"? My hypothesis is that Conway actually explained some of the Obama/Bush/USA immigration law to him and now he is babbling with the few scraps of facts he has.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 23 2016 19:35 GMT
#96132
On August 24 2016 03:52 Plansix wrote:
He will talk about mass deportations tomorrow and claims Obama is doing the same thing. It is a wonder the man knows what day of the week it is, let alone what Obama’s immigration policies.


To be fair I sometimes lose track of what day it is
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
August 23 2016 19:36 GMT
#96133
On August 24 2016 02:47 Slaughter wrote:
Now when are they going to do something about Adjuncts.


I wish
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 23 2016 19:48 GMT
#96134
Best part is he doesn't even have the political savvy to dress the oppositions' ideas as his own (like every other politician), Comes out and says "I'll do what Obama is doing".
Average means I'm better than half of you.
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
August 23 2016 19:57 GMT
#96135
Most reasonable people expected Trump to do this though. Say crazy shit, offended everyone, then when the election gets close tone it back and appeal to as many people as possible.

I have no idea why this surprises anyone.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 23 2016 20:02 GMT
#96136
On August 24 2016 04:57 killa_robot wrote:
Most reasonable people expected Trump to do this though. Say crazy shit, offended everyone, then when the election gets close tone it back and appeal to as many people as possible.

I have no idea why this surprises anyone.

It surprises me that he's not toning it back, he's trying to appeal to his non-supporters in a way that his supporters despise.

The hardcore Republican base won't be very happy with their candidate saying "Obama is doing a good job, I'm gonna do what he does!"
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
August 23 2016 20:05 GMT
#96137
On August 24 2016 04:57 killa_robot wrote:
Most reasonable people expected Trump to do this though. Say crazy shit, offended everyone, then when the election gets close tone it back and appeal to as many people as possible.

I have no idea why this surprises anyone.

People expected him to do this as soon as he secured the nomination when he could pretend he just did it to get the ballot. He can't do that anymore.
The time to pivot has passed. If he tries now the Democrats will bury him in his 'old' statements.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-23 20:10:43
August 23 2016 20:10 GMT
#96138
Private lives are exposed as WikiLeaks spills its secrets

CAIRO (AP) — WikiLeaks' global crusade to expose government secrets is causing collateral damage to the privacy of hundreds of innocent people, including survivors of sexual abuse, sick children and the mentally ill, The Associated Press has found.

In the past year alone, the radical transparency group has published medical files belonging to scores of ordinary citizens while many hundreds more have had sensitive family, financial or identity records posted to the web. In two particularly egregious cases, WikiLeaks named teenage rape victims. In a third case, the site published the name of a Saudi citizen arrested for being gay, an extraordinary move given that homosexuality is punishable by death in the ultraconservative Muslim kingdom.

"They published everything: my phone, address, name, details," said a Saudi man who told AP he was bewildered that WikiLeaks had revealed the details of a paternity dispute with a former partner. "If the family of my wife saw this ... Publishing personal stuff like that could destroy people."

WikiLeaks' mass publication of personal data is at odds with the site's claim to have championed privacy even as it laid bare the workings of international statecraft, and has drawn criticism from the site's allies.


Source
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-23 20:17:45
August 23 2016 20:16 GMT
#96139
On August 24 2016 04:57 killa_robot wrote:
Most reasonable people expected Trump to do this though. Say crazy shit, offended everyone, then when the election gets close tone it back and appeal to as many people as possible.

I have no idea why this surprises anyone.


There's pivoting and there's saying things completely at odds with the way you presented one of the main issues you ran on in the primary.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2016 20:20 GMT
#96140
I saw that earlier today. Wikileaks is burning through that good will at alarming speeds. I can’t think of anything more reckless. People are likely going to die because Wikileaks refuses to redact any information or think of the risk to other people.

And Wikileaks is not invisible, they can be found by world governments. And the only thing they would have to lean on is good will from the public, which they seem to not care about that much.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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