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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 02 2016 21:18 GMT
#92521
On August 03 2016 06:04 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 05:55 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 03 2016 05:41 ticklishmusic wrote:


This might be McCain + Paul's last best change to jump off the Trump train.

Who was it that was claiming the Republicans were more united then the Democrats after the DNC?

Here's a hint: "Russia did nothing wrong when it invaded Crimea."


The lizard lords can do no wrong. Hail Haster!
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 02 2016 21:18 GMT
#92522
On August 03 2016 06:05 oBlade wrote:




The difference here, at least for Ryan, is that I think this shows Trump has been bullshitting Ryan. I think Ryan was probably operating under some assumptions of Trump at least being friendly. This is very much not friendly and paints a picture of Trump thinking he runs the show. Trump does not run the show. If Ryan lets Trump hold this over his head, Ryan loses his power completely. Ryan can't allow this.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
August 02 2016 21:28 GMT
#92523
On August 03 2016 06:07 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 05:56 Doodsmack wrote:
That looks like Trump getting petty revenge on McCain and Ryan. Petty revenge, at all costs. I have an idea...let's make this guy commander in chief.


I get the feeling that Hillary and the DNC also rigged the republican primaries so that they could get Trump the nomination. He is by far the best secret agent that ever lived. Huge.


They're the one's who didn't want Super Delegates to act as gatekeepers to ensure the party message is maintained. They reap what they sow.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
August 02 2016 21:31 GMT
#92524
On August 03 2016 05:48 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 05:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/mateagold/status/760574182308675584

This might be McCain + Paul's last best change to jump off the Trump train.


I take this as Trump trying to sabotage his own campaign so that he can write a book about it and end up with an incredibly loyal post-election following.


At this point this is what I'm thinking as well. He's done a ton of crazy stuff throughout his campaign, but it really seems like this last week he's thrown it into overdrive, and he's not even trying to fix his mistakes. He's just tearing everything apart.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 21:33:35
August 02 2016 21:31 GMT
#92525
On August 03 2016 06:28 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 06:07 Trainrunnef wrote:
On August 03 2016 05:56 Doodsmack wrote:
That looks like Trump getting petty revenge on McCain and Ryan. Petty revenge, at all costs. I have an idea...let's make this guy commander in chief.


I get the feeling that Hillary and the DNC also rigged the republican primaries so that they could get Trump the nomination. He is by far the best secret agent that ever lived. Huge.


They're the one's who didn't want Super Delegates to act as gatekeepers to ensure the party message is maintained. They reap what they sow.

This is the reason why the DNC has Super Delegates. Trump is the reason. Discussions about electability us to be front and center for both parties. But that went by the way side when the Republicans convinced themselves that Romney was going to win right up until he got curb stomped.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44296 Posts
August 02 2016 21:34 GMT
#92526
Except the superdelegates wouldn't actually have worked because using them to overrule the voters is never gonna end well. You all saw the fit the Bernie supporters threw even after Bernie withdrew his nomination. Imagine if he hadn't.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 21:38:52
August 02 2016 21:37 GMT
#92527
On August 03 2016 06:34 KwarK wrote:
Except the superdelegates wouldn't actually have worked because using them to overrule the voters is never gonna end well. You all saw the fit the Bernie supporters threw even after Bernie withdrew his nomination. Imagine if he hadn't.

Bernie isn't Trump. Trump truly believes he can go it alone because he doesn't understand how goverment works.. Bernie understand that he needs the democrats to accomplish anything in goverment. The Super delegates are to prevent someone like Trump, who is actively destroying their party.

Not that I don't enjoy the Republicans bending over backwards trying to justify Trump while also having daily news reports of racist voter ID laws shot down. Its a good time.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46449 Posts
August 02 2016 21:39 GMT
#92528
"Richard Hanna Becomes First Republican Congressman To Say He’ll Vote For Hillary Clinton"
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-hanna-hillary-clinton_us_57a08f42e4b08a8e8b5f45ba?section=politics
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 02 2016 21:41 GMT
#92529
hes retiring, so it costs him basically nothing politically
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 21:42:21
August 02 2016 21:42 GMT
#92530
Too bad Hanna is retiring, kinda takes the wind out of that sail lol

Edit: poo on you ticklish
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 02 2016 21:42 GMT
#92531
On August 03 2016 06:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"Richard Hanna Becomes First Republican Congressman To Say He’ll Vote For Hillary Clinton"
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-hanna-hillary-clinton_us_57a08f42e4b08a8e8b5f45ba?section=politics


That editors note though
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
August 02 2016 21:43 GMT
#92532
On August 03 2016 06:34 KwarK wrote:
Except the superdelegates wouldn't actually have worked because using them to overrule the voters is never gonna end well. You all saw the fit the Bernie supporters threw even after Bernie withdrew his nomination. Imagine if he hadn't.


They threw such a huge fit that he lost by millions of votes and was behind in state wins AND delegate wins.

Bernie literally lost on every metric and without Super Delegates would still be miles behind Hilary.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 02 2016 21:44 GMT
#92533
On August 03 2016 06:42 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 06:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"Richard Hanna Becomes First Republican Congressman To Say He’ll Vote For Hillary Clinton"
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-hanna-hillary-clinton_us_57a08f42e4b08a8e8b5f45ba?section=politics


That editors note though

That is why I respect Huffington Post, they don't even try to give people the delusion that they are not completely biased.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
August 02 2016 21:49 GMT
#92534
On August 03 2016 06:34 KwarK wrote:
Except the superdelegates wouldn't actually have worked because using them to overrule the voters is never gonna end well. You all saw the fit the Bernie supporters threw even after Bernie withdrew his nomination. Imagine if he hadn't.


Superdelegates would have been key for Republicans if the Republican race had been proportionally allocated and stayed 3-man till the bitter end. I don't think they could-or should-ever really do anything in a 1v1 race.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 02 2016 21:54 GMT
#92535
Ok, now that I realize that RNC Super Delegates would have robbed me of the beauty of Trump claiming to humbly accept the nomination with his name in 200000 point font lit up behind him. A photo so beautiful that children will ask “This isn’t satire?” for generations.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 21:55:32
August 02 2016 21:54 GMT
#92536
On August 03 2016 06:44 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 06:42 jalstar wrote:
On August 03 2016 06:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"Richard Hanna Becomes First Republican Congressman To Say He’ll Vote For Hillary Clinton"
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-hanna-hillary-clinton_us_57a08f42e4b08a8e8b5f45ba?section=politics


That editors note though

That is why I respect Huffington Post, they don't even try to give people the delusion that they are not completely biased.


It is interesting to contemplate why a biased-by-design network would call itself Fair and Balanced. They were the pioneers and they've achieved the greatest success being biased, so they must be on to something.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 02 2016 21:58 GMT
#92537
On August 03 2016 06:54 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 06:44 Plansix wrote:
On August 03 2016 06:42 jalstar wrote:
On August 03 2016 06:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"Richard Hanna Becomes First Republican Congressman To Say He’ll Vote For Hillary Clinton"
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-hanna-hillary-clinton_us_57a08f42e4b08a8e8b5f45ba?section=politics


That editors note though

That is why I respect Huffington Post, they don't even try to give people the delusion that they are not completely biased.


It is interesting to contemplate why a biased-by-design network would call itself Fair and Balanced. They were the pioneers and they've achieved the greatest success being biased, so they must be on to something.

I don't think their success comes just from being biased; though it does help somewhat that they're exploiting a less-served category. I think it's more that they're simply better at being entertaining.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
August 02 2016 22:01 GMT
#92538
On August 03 2016 06:43 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 06:34 KwarK wrote:
Except the superdelegates wouldn't actually have worked because using them to overrule the voters is never gonna end well. You all saw the fit the Bernie supporters threw even after Bernie withdrew his nomination. Imagine if he hadn't.


They threw such a huge fit that he lost by millions of votes and was behind in state wins AND delegate wins.

Bernie literally lost on every metric and without Super Delegates would still be miles behind Hilary.


But the emails proved everyone who didn't vote for Bernie was Corrupt, so the elections are invalid. Bernie would have won if we discounted all the Shillariate haters who only voted for the Establishment because of Wall Street Money. /s4p
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 22:08:14
August 02 2016 22:07 GMT
#92539
On August 03 2016 06:07 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 05:56 Doodsmack wrote:
That looks like Trump getting petty revenge on McCain and Ryan. Petty revenge, at all costs. I have an idea...let's make this guy commander in chief.


I get the feeling that Hillary and the DNC also rigged the republican primaries so that they could get Trump the nomination. He is by far the best secret agent that ever lived. Huge.

I can't tell what's less believable; Trump working for Hillary and friends or Trump really being as stupid as he's been in the past few days. It's hard to say
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-02 22:19:38
August 02 2016 22:19 GMT
#92540
On August 03 2016 06:54 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 06:44 Plansix wrote:
On August 03 2016 06:42 jalstar wrote:
On August 03 2016 06:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"Richard Hanna Becomes First Republican Congressman To Say He’ll Vote For Hillary Clinton"
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-hanna-hillary-clinton_us_57a08f42e4b08a8e8b5f45ba?section=politics


That editors note though

That is why I respect Huffington Post, they don't even try to give people the delusion that they are not completely biased.


It is interesting to contemplate why a biased-by-design network would call itself Fair and Balanced. They were the pioneers and they've achieved the greatest success being biased, so they must be on to something.


I don't really know what's fair and not biased about Trump. Like there always seems to be this politeness in the US where a scientist will go up on a stage and debate a creationist and it goes on for hours.. sometimes it's completely legit to call an idiot an idiot.
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