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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 19 2016 04:29 GMT
#86421
On July 19 2016 13:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I mean this has to be sabotage there's no fucking way this was an accident...

I think you under estimate the level of talentless hacks trump has hired.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 19 2016 04:31 GMT
#86422
On July 19 2016 13:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:19 acker wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:17 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Someone is getting extremely fired. Making a fool of Trump's wife is probably a "so long and good riddance".


I mean, of course she says that. Is she not supposed to? A speech writer's job is to write a speech for someone perfectly so that there is no reason to second guess anything. The speechwriter failed.

Whether she said she wrote it or not, the person who actually wrote it is getting fired.


Don't know if I would rule out the possibility that she wrote it. Trump is apparently writing his and it's kind of the style of his campaign.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 04:32:38
July 19 2016 04:31 GMT
#86423
On July 19 2016 13:25 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:07 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:02 Plansix wrote:


Just saw this, lol wtf. Is this actually real life or what?


Pretty sure if you can find this same idea in a good proportion of the presidential candidate and first lady speech in any country it is just some realy bland an easy thing you have to said. There are professional paid to right those speech and they wrote a bunch of them of course they all kind of sound the same, they know what catchphrase work the best.

It would be way harder to actually take Michelle Obama speech and try to copy it by changing some word then to just write that kind of bland statement. Seem likes just a coincidence to me.

Anyway it's not like it was of any importance.


Watch the video and read the last line. That stuff doesn't just accidentally happen. Yeah its a cliche message but the exact same words don't just happen to come out in the exact same configuration like that. When you further consider that one was said by the first lady and the other was said by someone looking to become the first lady the odds become so amazingly minuscule coincidence isn't even debatable.

You can argue whether the plagiarism matters really. But there is nothing coincidental about it.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 04:33:37
July 19 2016 04:33 GMT
#86424
On July 19 2016 13:25 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:07 OuchyDathurts wrote:

https://twitter.com/jarretthill/status/755242423991709697

Seem likes just a coincidence to me.




Wow
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
July 19 2016 04:33 GMT
#86425
How wild will it be if Trump flat out denies it was plagiarized? Anyone else somewhat expecting that?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 04:35:03
July 19 2016 04:33 GMT
#86426
On July 19 2016 13:25 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:14 acker wrote:
On July 19 2016 12:46 Introvert wrote:
From last year:

CHICAGO (WLS) -- The ABC7 I-Team looked into ISIS terrorists in the United States- not just a smattering of potentially violent radicals, but terrorists present in Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Michigan and all 50 states.

In less than two years, ISIS has gone from a terror start-up overseas to what FBI Director James Comey calls a "chaotic spider web" in the US, with young Muslim men being radicalized in Illinois and the 49 other states. Comey suggests ISIS uses social media like a job fair. That's how he says terrorists snagged three New York men facing ISIS charges.

"Those people exist in every state. I have homegrown violent extremist investigations in every single state. Until a few weeks ago there was 49 states. Alaska had none which I couldn't quite figure out. But Alaska has now joined the group so we have investigations of people in various stages of radicalizing in all 50 states," Comey said.


http://abc7chicago.com/news/isis-present-in-all-50-states-fbi-director-says/534732/

From this year:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/joni-ernst-isis-terrorists-225792



Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst dramatized the threat posed by ISIS during the Republican National Convention Monday, but she also appeared to exaggerate the spread of followers of the Islamic State group on U.S. soil.

"According to the FBI, ISIS is present in all 50 states. Think about that for a moment. Terrorists from ISIS are in every one of our 50 states," Ernst said.

Ernst's comments appeared to be based on statements FBI Director James Comey made in February 2015, when he announced that the FBI was then pursuing radicalization investigations in all 50 states, with Alaska just added to the list.

However, the FBI chief did not state that people in all 50 states had been confirmed to be ISIS followers, rather that probes had been opened into that possibility.

In addition, while Ernst referred to those under investigation as "from" ISIS, the FBI has yet to assert that any attack or planned attack in the U.S. was directed by the terror group holding territory in Syria and Iraq.

"Those people exist in every state," Comey told the National Association of Attorney General. "Until a few weeks ago there was 49 states. Alaska had none which I couldn't quite figure out. But Alaska has now joined the group so we have investigations of people in various stages of radicalizing in all 50 states."



...and Trump's wife plagiarized Michelle Obama. Not above it all after all.


Yes, I'm sure the people in this thread were just being nitpicky.

There is a serious problem,which is the point.


Of course terrorism is a serious problem, I just don't understand why the Republican platform seems to act like they're the first ones to figure that out? Do they think Obama thinks terrorism isn't serious and that he's truely a Kenyan Muslim ISIS operative?

Do they truly think that screaming the word "radical Islam" while throwing the fists in the air is a tool to combat terrorism? Are they imagininging terrorists sit in front of their TV's and are like "Hell no, the Americans have finally figured it out, better pack our bags" ?
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 04:34:34
July 19 2016 04:34 GMT
#86427
On July 19 2016 13:33 Mohdoo wrote:
How wild will it be if Trump flat out denies it was plagiarized? Anyone else somewhat expecting that?

I expect Trump to declare Michelle Obama plagiarized his wife's speech.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 19 2016 04:34 GMT
#86428
On July 19 2016 13:34 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:33 Mohdoo wrote:
How wild will it be if Trump flat out denies it was plagiarized? Anyone else somewhat expecting that?

I expect Trump to declare Michelle Obama stole his wife's speech.


Plagiarist Michelle. Has a certain ring to it!
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 19 2016 04:36 GMT
#86429
On July 19 2016 13:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I mean this has to be sabotage there's no fucking way this was an accident...

I think you under estimate the level of talentless hacks trump has hired.


*googles good quotes for first lady speeches*
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 04:37:58
July 19 2016 04:37 GMT
#86430


The irony is rich.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
July 19 2016 04:37 GMT
#86431
On July 19 2016 13:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:34 acker wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:33 Mohdoo wrote:
How wild will it be if Trump flat out denies it was plagiarized? Anyone else somewhat expecting that?

I expect Trump to declare Michelle Obama stole his wife's speech.


Plagiarist Michelle. Has a certain ring to it!


"cheatin' shelly. You know, they call her that for more reasons than one, but it's none of my business who she has sex with"
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 19 2016 04:39 GMT
#86432
On July 19 2016 13:37 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:34 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:34 acker wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:33 Mohdoo wrote:
How wild will it be if Trump flat out denies it was plagiarized? Anyone else somewhat expecting that?

I expect Trump to declare Michelle Obama stole his wife's speech.


Plagiarist Michelle. Has a certain ring to it!


"cheatin' shelly. You know, they call her that for more reasons than one, but it's none of my business who she has sex with"


Oooooo Shelly I like that, great call. I didn't even think about going with a shortened version.
LiquidDota Staff
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 19 2016 04:39 GMT
#86433
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 19 2016 04:39 GMT
#86434
On July 19 2016 13:33 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:25 Nakajin wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:07 OuchyDathurts wrote:

https://twitter.com/jarretthill/status/755242423991709697

Seem likes just a coincidence to me.




Wow


Maybe I am just naive but speech writers that did the same study and wrote hundred of politicals speech writing the same phrase seems more belivable to me then working to copy another speech, and it's not like it was in a particulary good speech.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 19 2016 04:40 GMT
#86435
On July 19 2016 13:39 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:33 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:25 Nakajin wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:07 OuchyDathurts wrote:

https://twitter.com/jarretthill/status/755242423991709697

Seem likes just a coincidence to me.




Wow


Maybe I am just naive but speech writers that did the same study and wrote hundred of politicals speech writing the same phrase seems more belivable to me then working to copy another speech, and it's not like it was in a particulary good speech.


It seems widely regarded as the best speech of the day, certainly one of the best.
LiquidDota Staff
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 19 2016 04:41 GMT
#86436
On July 19 2016 13:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/fakedansavage/status/755259465520250881

My god, what a clown show.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
July 19 2016 04:42 GMT
#86437
On July 19 2016 13:40 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:39 Nakajin wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:33 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:25 Nakajin wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:07 OuchyDathurts wrote:

https://twitter.com/jarretthill/status/755242423991709697

Seem likes just a coincidence to me.




Wow


Maybe I am just naive but speech writers that did the same study and wrote hundred of politicals speech writing the same phrase seems more belivable to me then working to copy another speech, and it's not like it was in a particulary good speech.


It seems widely regarded as the best speech of the day, certainly one of the best.

But the tampon veterans. What about them?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 19 2016 04:42 GMT
#86438
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 04:46:54
July 19 2016 04:44 GMT
#86439
I can imagine Hillary quoting some particularly dumb Trumpism then saying "oh but all credit goes to Trump, it's important to give credit to people otherwise its plagiarism".

BONUS:

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 19 2016 04:45 GMT
#86440
On July 19 2016 13:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 13:40 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:39 Nakajin wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:33 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:25 Nakajin wrote:
On July 19 2016 13:07 OuchyDathurts wrote:

https://twitter.com/jarretthill/status/755242423991709697

Seem likes just a coincidence to me.




Wow


Maybe I am just naive but speech writers that did the same study and wrote hundred of politicals speech writing the same phrase seems more belivable to me then working to copy another speech, and it's not like it was in a particulary good speech.


It seems widely regarded as the best speech of the day, certainly one of the best.

But the tampon veterans. What about them?


Look, SOMEONE had to be number 2.
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