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On July 15 2016 01:48 Mohdoo wrote:

Someone as liberal as me, who is also brown and has also encountered racism, should have an easy time supporting blm. But nope, they are just such misguided, poorly organized, bitter idiots.

On July 15 2016 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote:


I'm pretty sure they feel similarly about people like yourself.

On July 15 2016 04:11 Mohdoo wrote:


They think I am poorly organized? Bitter? I don't doubt they'd think I'm an idiot, but that kind of "with us or against us" mentality is what I've come to expect.

conclusions announced in December 2014 of a comprehensive investigation into the CPD started in March 2013 which assessed use of force practices of the CDP. The investigation concluded that there was reasonable cause to believe that Cleveland police officers engage in a pattern or practice of unreasonable and in some cases unnecessary force in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. That pattern or practice included the unnecessary and excessive use of deadly force, including shootings and head strikes with impact weapons; the unnecessary, excessive or retaliatory use of less lethal force including Tasers, chemical spray and fists; excessive force against persons who are mentally ill or in crisis, including in cases where the officers were called exclusively for a welfare check; and the employment of poor and dangerous tactics that place officers in situations where avoidable force becomes inevitable.

The investigation also found that this pattern of excessive force has eroded public confidence in the police.

"Black Lives Matter doesn't condone shooting law enforcement. But I have to be honest: I understand why it was done," Maejor said. "I don't encourage it, I don't condone it, I don't justify it. But I understand it."

…I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

On July 15 2016 04:21 GreenHorizons wrote:


Mostly the misguided and idiotic part. There was a post that said basically "Looks like the cop will probably get off because of a lack of evidence, but the real problem is this traffic"... (Not from you)

While our statistical access is limited we do know that virtually every department that's been investigated was habitually violating people's constitutional rights and/or harassing them.

One in particular is the Cleveland PD, the PD that's going to be guarding the RNC,



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On July 15 2016 04:32 Plansix wrote:
I am sort of impressed at this sanitized version of King that has traveled to the modern collective. King did not support violence, but he did say he understood it and explained where it came from. He talked about riots as being the after effects of oppression and that people should see them as such.

http://time.com/3838515/baltimore-riots-language-unheard-quote/



And this is in response to much worse than blocking traffic. I don’t support the use of violence. But supporting and understanding are two separate things.

On July 15 2016 04:43 The Bottle wrote:

I wasn't talking about blocking traffic or riots. I was talking about premeditated murder. Can you find a similar quote of his that addresses that?

While I acknowledge that there's value in trying to understand the actions of a murderer from a purely intellectual standpoint, that's something you have to establish very firmly (and something I feel MLK did establish in the quote you gave about riots). It's very short-sighted to simply say "I understand why they did it" without any context. I can give the BLM guy the benefit of the doubt and guess he was trying to do something similar (in a very shoddy way). At best, it just shows how much worse their leadership is.

On July 15 2016 04:53 xDaunt wrote:
BLM went off the rails when they made their cause "cops are racists" instead of "cops are assholes." Frankly, this is a problem common to most of the contemporary civil rights groups.

On July 15 2016 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
We all remember what happened to old peaceful protesting Martin, right?



When did they stop policing in a racist way in your view?

On July 15 2016 04:51 Dan HH wrote:

I thought BLM doesn't have an actual leadership, after googling that guy's name he seems to be some random celebrity. On his site there's a bunch of music videos and no mention of BLM. Why talk about this guy's quote like he's the leader of BLM and compare him with MLK?

On July 15 2016 05:01 Sermokala wrote:
I don't know about BLM needing an MLK to be successful. The gay rights movement was pretty successful without resorting to the same tactics and protests as BLM and they never had a charismatic influential leader to it.

Glaciers in Antarctica are heading toward a point of no return. California is in the fifth year of its record-breaking drought. Carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere have reached historic levels. And the Republican Party? They’re plugging their ears and covering their eyes, ignoring the reality of climate change.

That’s bad news for the planet, but it’s also bad news for the GOP. Unfortunately for them, their obliviousness to the realities of global warming might cost them the November presidential election.

As the GOP gears up for its 2016 national convention in Cleveland, the country is poring over candidates’ positioning on the economy, immigration, women’s rights, and more. But one of the most worrying things about the GOP is its stance on climate change.
Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump opines that global warming is “created by and for the Chinese” to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says doesn't know if climate change is a real problem because he's “not a scientist.” And Texas Senator Ted Cruz calls it a “so-called scientific theory.”

These statements ignore the reality of climate refugees in Louisiana, diesel-induced asthma in Newark, New Jersey, and urban heat islands around the country that are increasing energy consumption, air pollution, and greenhouse gas emission. And they ignore the vast economic potential of addressing climate change head-on.

Republicans may bill themselves as the pro-business party, but their stance on climate change reveals the opposite. This will divert valuable votes in November, because eco-consciousness isn’t a fad. It’s an intrinsic part of the economy and the workforce. And it’s only growing stronger.

In 2011, the United States’ “clean economy” employed over 2.7 million workers, according to a study by the nonpartisan Brookings Institute – more than either the fossil fuel or bioscience industries. During the Great Recession, the clean economy outperformed the nation as a whole. And — crucial to the GOP bid to be what Donald Trump called a “worker’s party” — the clean economy actually offers more opportunities and better pay for low- and middle-skilled workers than the national economy as a whole, the Brookings study found.

On July 15 2016 04:43 The Bottle wrote:

I wasn't talking about blocking traffic or riots. I was talking about premeditated murder. Can you find a similar quote of his that addresses that?

While I acknowledge that there's value in trying to understand the actions of a murderer from a purely intellectual standpoint, that's something you have to establish very firmly (and something I feel MLK did establish in the quote you gave about riots). It's very short-sighted to simply say "I understand why they did it" without any context. I can give the BLM guy the benefit of the doubt and guess he was trying to do something similar (in a very shoddy way). At best, it just shows how much worse their leadership is.