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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 22:37:23
June 09 2016 22:32 GMT
#80241
On June 10 2016 07:29 oneofthem wrote:
she should pick obama as vp

She can't, he's not eligible to become president since he has already served two terms

edit: my bad, Kwark seems to be correct. See here.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42689 Posts
June 09 2016 22:33 GMT
#80242
On June 10 2016 07:32 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 07:29 oneofthem wrote:
she should pick obama as vp

She can't, he's not eligible to become president since he has already served two terms

Not strictly true. He's not eligible to be elected president, if you look at the exact wording. He's eligible to become president through unelected means. Still though, she shouldn't.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 09 2016 22:33 GMT
#80243
On June 10 2016 07:32 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 07:29 oneofthem wrote:
she should pick obama as vp

She can't, he's not eligible to become president since he has already served two terms
well it seems technically not barred. i don't know, would be interesting.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 22:46:36
June 09 2016 22:37 GMT
#80244
I am assuming no one posted this since I don't see it in any recent pages. My apologies if already posted:
+ Show Spoiler +



About as close to an endorsement as you can get. He's still campaigning in DC, so obviously no endorsement. But he did make it clear he would be working with her.

GH, what do you think?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 09 2016 22:43 GMT
#80245
okay, real talk, she needs someone who is not a simple yes person. it's one of her more distressing tendencies to trust an inner circle too closely.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 09 2016 22:45 GMT
#80246
Lets go with real-real talk. All video, picture, and twitter links should be spoilered. Not doing so is simply rude.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
June 09 2016 22:46 GMT
#80247
On June 10 2016 07:45 cLutZ wrote:
Lets go with real-real talk. All video, picture, and twitter links should be spoilered. Not doing so is simply rude.


My apologies. Fixed above.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
June 09 2016 22:47 GMT
#80248
On June 10 2016 03:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 02:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Well clearly no one here has any clue what BLM actually is based on how you talk about it. Innocent people are being murdered by the people paid to protect them and you guys get bent about traffic. Just sad.

On June 10 2016 02:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 10 2016 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 10 2016 02:18 Plansix wrote:
Systematic Racism against white people is possible in China. Or another area where non-whites control the system of power. A black person can be bigoted against a white person in the US.

But systemic racism against whites as a whole does not exist in the US at any significantly measurable scale. We hold the majority of power in the country and that benefits us over other demographics.


Just going to have to come up with a new word. Then they can't try to force the old white guy definition down the throat of the people who actually study/deal with it. Being called racist, or being told that black people can't be racist toward white people is the closest many white people come to feeling what racism is like, it's not even a fraction as bad as racism, but look how disturbing it is for them.

I wish just for like a year they could wake up in a world where they actually experienced racism so they could understand the difference thoroughly.


This is so incredibly racist and hypocritical I don't even know how you can seriously be saying these things.

It's almost as bad as when Bernie literally said in a debate that white people don't know what it's like to be poor and live in poverty.


What? White people don't know what it's like to be black (or experience real raycism [spelled different so you don't confuse it with your word]) like getting a bad flu doesn't mean you understand what it's like to have cancer and chemo.

Believe me, I'd rather they just stop being jerks, but we've been waiting for that ship for a loooooong time now.


I agree White people don't know what it's like to be black.

Most black people today haven't experienced 'real raycism' either. That has long since been eradicated and named taboo in our mainstream culture, and rightly so.

You show me a KKK 'raycist' you're showing me a terrible person. I agree with you.

I do not think that type of person exists anymore. I grew up knowing people who I would say are 'racist' because they make 'black jokes' when no black people were around, but would never disrespect a black person or treat them like they weren't a human. I do not think that type of mindset exists in America anymore, it's considered a taboo of our culture to even think like that let alone share it with others.

They certainly do exist, and you do not have to look very far to find them. Milo tried to apologize for the racist elements in the alt right, saying they're just trolls trying to get a rise out of the older generation. To which Daily Stormer, said nope. We're actually are racist and we don't like you because you are a Jew
. Of course, we do have fun. Why should we not have fun? You can have fun doing things you believe in – these things are not somehow mutually exclusive.
Article titled: "You Can't Kike the Alt-Right." The earlier article titled: "Breitbart’s Alt-Right Analysis is the Product of a Degenerate Homosexual and an Ethnic Mongrel." Their views on other ethnic groups shouldn't be too hard to suss out from those titles. They're not exactly hiding their views.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 09 2016 22:51 GMT
#80249
Everyone keeps forgetting the other major player in the camp that will decide her VP pick. Her ego. The last thing she would need is a VP that is more popular than her which is why I won't hold my breath for a Sanders or Warren pick.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 09 2016 22:54 GMT
#80250
On June 10 2016 07:47 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 03:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 10 2016 02:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Well clearly no one here has any clue what BLM actually is based on how you talk about it. Innocent people are being murdered by the people paid to protect them and you guys get bent about traffic. Just sad.

On June 10 2016 02:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 10 2016 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 10 2016 02:18 Plansix wrote:
Systematic Racism against white people is possible in China. Or another area where non-whites control the system of power. A black person can be bigoted against a white person in the US.

But systemic racism against whites as a whole does not exist in the US at any significantly measurable scale. We hold the majority of power in the country and that benefits us over other demographics.


Just going to have to come up with a new word. Then they can't try to force the old white guy definition down the throat of the people who actually study/deal with it. Being called racist, or being told that black people can't be racist toward white people is the closest many white people come to feeling what racism is like, it's not even a fraction as bad as racism, but look how disturbing it is for them.

I wish just for like a year they could wake up in a world where they actually experienced racism so they could understand the difference thoroughly.


This is so incredibly racist and hypocritical I don't even know how you can seriously be saying these things.

It's almost as bad as when Bernie literally said in a debate that white people don't know what it's like to be poor and live in poverty.


What? White people don't know what it's like to be black (or experience real raycism [spelled different so you don't confuse it with your word]) like getting a bad flu doesn't mean you understand what it's like to have cancer and chemo.

Believe me, I'd rather they just stop being jerks, but we've been waiting for that ship for a loooooong time now.


I agree White people don't know what it's like to be black.

Most black people today haven't experienced 'real raycism' either. That has long since been eradicated and named taboo in our mainstream culture, and rightly so.

You show me a KKK 'raycist' you're showing me a terrible person. I agree with you.

I do not think that type of person exists anymore. I grew up knowing people who I would say are 'racist' because they make 'black jokes' when no black people were around, but would never disrespect a black person or treat them like they weren't a human. I do not think that type of mindset exists in America anymore, it's considered a taboo of our culture to even think like that let alone share it with others.

They certainly do exist, and you do not have to look very far to find them. Milo tried to apologize for the racist elements in the alt right, saying they're just trolls trying to get a rise out of the older generation. To which Daily Stormer, said nope. We're actually are racist and we don't like you because you are a Jew
Show nested quote +
. Of course, we do have fun. Why should we not have fun? You can have fun doing things you believe in – these things are not somehow mutually exclusive.
Article titled: "You Can't Kike the Alt-Right." The earlier article titled: "Breitbart’s Alt-Right Analysis is the Product of a Degenerate Homosexual and an Ethnic Mongrel." Their views on other ethnic groups shouldn't be too hard to suss out from those titles. They're not exactly hiding their views.


I don't know what the Daily Stormer is.

Link?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 09 2016 22:55 GMT
#80251
On June 10 2016 07:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Everyone keeps forgetting the other major player in the camp that will decide her VP pick. Her ego. The last thing she would need is a VP that is more popular than her which is why I won't hold my breath for a Sanders or Warren pick.


They pick VP's at the conventions right?

Does that mean Trump has to pick his before she picks hers?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
June 09 2016 22:55 GMT
#80252
On June 10 2016 07:37 Mohdoo wrote:
I am assuming no one posted this since I don't see it in any recent pages. My apologies if already posted:
+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX3lLz-nUO4

About as close to an endorsement as you can get. He's still campaigning in DC, so obviously no endorsement. But he did make it clear he would be working with her.

GH, what do you think?

Good to see he makes it clear he is anti-trump. Tho he skirts around the pro-hillary but won't really blame him for that.
Campaigning in DC which is a week away is no big deal tho I will question it if he actually spends a good mount of money there in the remaining time. Would simply be a waste when this speech is essentially his concession.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 23:08:24
June 09 2016 22:57 GMT
#80253
One of the attacks against her I've seen (mostly from liberals actually) is her ego. It's documented in books and by people like Christopher Hitchens, but is there a particular instance that seems to make her stand out as more egotistical than any other politician in particular? The most recent reminder was Sanders people were calling her egotistical for that one dismissive interview where she asserted, "I will be the nominee". But ... it really was just a no brainer.

@ Stealth:
Oh right. Thanks. =p
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 23:04:04
June 09 2016 23:02 GMT
#80254
On June 10 2016 07:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Everyone keeps forgetting the other major player in the camp that will decide her VP pick. Her ego. The last thing she would need is a VP that is more popular than her which is why I won't hold my breath for a Sanders or Warren pick.


The "more popular" candidate is 4m votes behind

And he'd be a pretty awful pick, regardless of that.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 23:04:01
June 09 2016 23:03 GMT
#80255
On June 10 2016 07:57 SK.Testie wrote:
One of the attacks against her I've seen (mostly from liberals actually) is her ego. It's documented in books and by people like Christopher Hitchens, but is there a particular instance that seems to make her stand out as more egotistical than any other politician in particular? The most recent reminder was Sanders people were calling her egotistical for that one dismissive interview where she asserted, "I will be the nominee". But ... it really was just a no brainer.


Well there was in 08 where she said Obama should not be the nominee as he could be a repeat of Bobby Kennedy and be killed.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Hillary_cites_RFK_assasination_in_explaining_why_shes_still_in_race.html

Her "with a cloth" when asked about deleted emails, her demanding of her husband not to focus on Kosovo genocide as her healthcare plan was more important.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 09 2016 23:03 GMT
#80256
On June 10 2016 08:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 07:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Everyone keeps forgetting the other major player in the camp that will decide her VP pick. Her ego. The last thing she would need is a VP that is more popular than her which is why I won't hold my breath for a Sanders or Warren pick.


The "more popular" candidate is 4m votes behind



Check the opinion polls,
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 09 2016 23:04 GMT
#80257
On June 10 2016 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 08:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On June 10 2016 07:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Everyone keeps forgetting the other major player in the camp that will decide her VP pick. Her ego. The last thing she would need is a VP that is more popular than her which is why I won't hold my breath for a Sanders or Warren pick.


The "more popular" candidate is 4m votes behind



Check the opinion polls,


Are you really going to parrot Sanders on that?
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 23:10:19
June 09 2016 23:08 GMT
#80258
I agree with this. Fox News did a good job for a couple of Trump's statements at one of the debates, showing the absurdity and contradictions in what he was saying. Moderators should be ready for some of the expected answers to their questions, and fact-check them live.
Lord of the Lies

Earlier this month, the world’s most battle-scarred cable news network did something extraordinary in this year of vaporous political contrails. While Donald Trump was delivering one of his easily debunked lies, CNN fact-checked him — in near real time at the bottom of the screen.

“Trump: I never said Japan should have nukes (he did).” Thus read the chyron that shook the television world — maybe.

I no more expect CNN to set Wolf Blitzer’s beard on fire than to instantly call out the Mount Everest of liars. Trump lies about big things (there is no drought in California) and small things (his hair spray could not affect the ozone layer because it’s sealed within Trump Tower). He lies about himself, and the fake self he invented to talk about himself. He’s been shown to lie more than 70 times in a single event.

Given the scale of Trump’s mendacity and the stakes for the free world, it’s time that we go into the fall debates with a new rule — an instant fact-check on statements made by the candidates onstage. The Presidential Debate Commission should do what any first-grader with Google access can do, and call out lies before the words hit the floor.

Setting up a truth referee is not difficult. And while doing such a thing is unlikely to ensure that the debates would be substantive, it could at least guarantee a reality foundation at a time when fact-free speech is the language of the political class.

How can we discuss the economy when Trump suggests that the unemployment rate, just under 5 percent, is actually 42 percent? Or debate the Paris climate accord, when Trump falsely claims it “gives foreign bureaucrats control over how much energy we use on our land”? Or deal with terrorism, after Trump said he knows “more about ISIS than the generals.” The debates are meaningless without a neutral party screening the garbage.

Professional truth-seekers have never seen anything like Trump, surely the most compulsive liar to seek high office. [...]

Source
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 09 2016 23:18 GMT
#80259
warren is def gunning for that vp slot rn
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 09 2016 23:26 GMT
#80260
On June 10 2016 07:29 KwarK wrote:
Two days late on this but now for your latest dose of police brutality
c

Kid gets intimated by police into an illegal search. His retired police officer father and mother teach him about his rights and then his mother calls the officer who did the illegal search and bitches him out because, you know, white people. A few days later the kid's car is specifically targeted. Kid demands to know if he is under arrest and if so, what for, exactly as his retired police officer father told him to do because, you know, rights.

Police officer tasers him in the chest for 23 seconds, stopping his heart and leaving him dead. The he cuffs the 17 year old, looks at the dashcam, drags the 17 year old to the very edge of the dashcam view, looks at it again, decides it's probably out of frame and drops the dead body of the 17 year old, hands cuffed behind his back, face first onto the concrete. A few minutes later more officers show up and the dashcam shows them gloating about it how this is what you get if you don't respect their authority until one of them notices that the kid is blue. Because, you know, his heart hasn't been beating for the last few minutes, what with the whole dead thing.

The kid was subsequently resuscitated but was in a coma and his parents were told it was a 50/50 if he would ever wake up. He eventually did but has permanent brain damage from the prolonged loss of oxygen to his brain. Despite it actually being the child of one of their own the police investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing, even though they possessed a dashcam video showing literally nothing but wrongdoing. The video was kept from the public and the parents but the FBI got hold of it and pressed charges against the officer. It leaked two days ago.
+ Show Spoiler +




To paraphrase GreenHorizons, we ought to do something about police brutality before it starts impacting more white people. For a long time it's been fine to blame the victims and tell them that they deserved the treatment they got because, you know, niggers, right? But if the police don't learn that it's not okay to treat whites the same way that they've gotten away with treating blacks forever then maybe they shouldn't brutalize anyone. It's like when you're kids at school, if you can't learn when it is appropriate to kill kids then nobody will be allowed to kill any kids at all. At least the officer in question wasn't racist though, quite the opposite, his crime was thinking it's okay to do that to people who look and sound like us.

This has to be one of the grossest abuses by a police department I have seen in a while. I am completely convinced that law enforcement are incapable of policing themselves.
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