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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 09 2016 23:29 GMT
#80261
On June 10 2016 08:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On June 10 2016 08:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On June 10 2016 07:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Everyone keeps forgetting the other major player in the camp that will decide her VP pick. Her ego. The last thing she would need is a VP that is more popular than her which is why I won't hold my breath for a Sanders or Warren pick.


The "more popular" candidate is 4m votes behind



Check the opinion polls,


Are you really going to parrot Sanders on that?


Or polls... There's no debate that this election has two most unpopular people as nominees.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 23:56:15
June 09 2016 23:56 GMT
#80262
On June 10 2016 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote

Her "with a cloth" when asked about deleted emails, her demanding of her husband not to focus on Kosovo genocide as her healthcare plan was more important.

putting domestic healthcare reform, with a public option, ahead of neocon foreign policy adventurism is a bad thing?
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 09 2016 23:59 GMT
#80263
On June 10 2016 08:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 08:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
On June 10 2016 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On June 10 2016 08:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On June 10 2016 07:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Everyone keeps forgetting the other major player in the camp that will decide her VP pick. Her ego. The last thing she would need is a VP that is more popular than her which is why I won't hold my breath for a Sanders or Warren pick.


The "more popular" candidate is 4m votes behind



Check the opinion polls,


Are you really going to parrot Sanders on that?


Or polls... There's no debate that this election has two most unpopular people as nominees.

she would be smashing trump if not for sanders people not supporting her based on lurid nonsense
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 10 2016 00:10 GMT
#80264
I'll bet they will both pick centrist VPs to try and lure the white independent vote
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22148 Posts
June 10 2016 00:14 GMT
#80265
On June 10 2016 09:10 TheFish7 wrote:
I'll bet they will both pick centrist VPs to try and lure the white independent vote

I can't think of any VP pick that could undo the damage that Trump has done to himself in the center.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 00:14:42
June 10 2016 00:14 GMT
#80266
On June 10 2016 09:10 TheFish7 wrote:
I'll bet they will both pick centrist VPs to try and lure the white independent vote

Trump already has the honky vote locked up. His VP pick won't matter on that point. I doubt Hillary's will, either.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22148 Posts
June 10 2016 00:16 GMT
#80267
On June 10 2016 09:14 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:10 TheFish7 wrote:
I'll bet they will both pick centrist VPs to try and lure the white independent vote

Trump already has the honky vote locked up. His VP pick won't matter on that point. I doubt Hillary's will, either.

Hillary has a small chance to counter her 'crooked' image (hence my easier comment about needing a charismatic VP) tho I don't know if the Democrats even have such a possibility lined up.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 10 2016 00:19 GMT
#80268
Frankly, Hillary's best bet is to pick a VP candidate whom the far left will rally around.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 10 2016 00:31 GMT
#80269
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 10 2016 00:37 GMT
#80270
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
June 10 2016 00:55 GMT
#80271
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

Trump excites the left the same way Hilary excites the right.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 10 2016 00:58 GMT
#80272
On June 10 2016 09:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

Trump excites the left the same way Hilary excites the right.

Trump is going to be attacking Hillary from the left on multiple issues. She needs to shore up that flank.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43737 Posts
June 10 2016 00:59 GMT
#80273
On June 10 2016 09:58 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

Trump excites the left the same way Hilary excites the right.

Trump is going to be attacking Hillary from the left on multiple issues. She needs to shore up that flank.

All that's going to do is make the Hillary voters vote more despondantly. They'll still vote against Trump. The left isn't voting for Trump.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:10:34
June 10 2016 01:00 GMT
#80274
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

significant amount of white collar professional suburban republicans vote for the gop brand. trump basically creates a historic opportunity to get this group and damage the gop.

basically try to make gop unviable as a national party. bloomberg would absolutely destroy trumpkins in debates and the like.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 10 2016 01:02 GMT
#80275
On June 10 2016 09:59 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:58 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

Trump excites the left the same way Hilary excites the right.

Trump is going to be attacking Hillary from the left on multiple issues. She needs to shore up that flank.

All that's going to do is make the Hillary voters vote more despondantly. They'll still vote against Trump. The left isn't voting for Trump.

The voters on the left will stay home.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43737 Posts
June 10 2016 01:05 GMT
#80276
On June 10 2016 10:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:59 KwarK wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:58 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

Trump excites the left the same way Hilary excites the right.

Trump is going to be attacking Hillary from the left on multiple issues. She needs to shore up that flank.

All that's going to do is make the Hillary voters vote more despondantly. They'll still vote against Trump. The left isn't voting for Trump.

The voters on the left will stay home.

While this is anecdotal I don't know anyone socially who plans to not vote against Trump. My demographic isn't universal of course but he is an extremely unpopular man.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:09:00
June 10 2016 01:08 GMT
#80277
Isn't it the case that democratic voters tend to show up way more frequently at presidential elections than anything else? Is the primary turnout really representative, especially given the fact that the Bernie - Hillary race was largely uneventful?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 10 2016 01:08 GMT
#80278
Meh. VP picks don't matter at all. Clinton will win unless: A) The FBI does something serious; or B) He torches her with a "low energy" moment.
Freeeeeeedom
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 10 2016 01:09 GMT
#80279
xDaunt and a few others in this thread (ad many more across the internet it would seem) simply doesn't believe there is actually a pretty big group of people who actually like Hillary
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
June 10 2016 01:09 GMT
#80280
On June 10 2016 10:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:59 KwarK wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:58 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

Trump excites the left the same way Hilary excites the right.

Trump is going to be attacking Hillary from the left on multiple issues. She needs to shore up that flank.

All that's going to do is make the Hillary voters vote more despondantly. They'll still vote against Trump. The left isn't voting for Trump.

The voters on the left will stay home.

I have yet to meet a Democrat who sees trump as anything short of the apocalypse
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