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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 10 2016 10:49 Mohdoo wrote: LOL I was like "What the fuck is Warren doing at an American Chemical Society meeting?" she was paid 100k to speak and shill for big chem | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 10 2016 10:53 ticklishmusic wrote: she was paid 100k to speak and shill for big chem To be fair, Bernie is against GMOs. I would not be surprised to see Clinton slandered for speaking at an ACS meeting. Acronyms = chemicals. GMO = acronym. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 10 2016 10:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Trump shattered the record for primary votes by over a million he's going to have no problem getting the votes in the general. He's energized a new demographic of republican voters that just didn't vote before. And all the die-hard GOP'ers, as much shit as they give him, will never vote for Clinton over him. And when the debates start he's going to sway the center with his superior persuasive skills. I do think it's pretty funny how both sides seem to believe it will be a landslide for their candidate. I'm not sure why on anyone thinks Trump has persuasive skills when his opponents pretty much foot in mouthed their way out of the race without him doing anything. It's not like he persuaded Paul Ryan into blindly supporting him. And Trump sure didn't persuade anyone his judge comments weren't dumb as hell and thus had to walk back on them. I thought the whole reason people think he is popular is because he is saying things people wanted to hear said...in which case that takes 0 persuasive skills. "Expressing the will of the people" doesn't require changing anyone's mind. I am not sure he persuaded anyone of anything this cycle really. Do people actually read his book/listen to him speak and believe he's not exaggerating every single aspect of himself? That's one step below believing people on the internet. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
I mean America pls, you have a limitless supply of smart ingenious entrepreneurs and you bring this guy | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On June 10 2016 10:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote: And when the debates start he's going to sway the center with his superior persuasive skills. lol | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
this thing is pretty fun, but would like more options. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 10 2016 11:30 oneofthem wrote: http://fiscalship.org/ this thing is pretty fun, but would like more options. Indeed. There are not enough options for eliminating something entirely. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24462 Posts
On June 10 2016 10:22 ticklishmusic wrote: relative to the other democratic nominating contests against non-incumbents (also excluding Al Gore), it's far from whatever image you're trying to paint. 2016 Clinton: 16m Sanders: 12.2m 2008 Clinton: 17.9m (including Florida, Michigan) Obama: 17.6m 2004 Kerry: 9.9m Edwards: 3.1m 1992: Clinton (Bill): 10.5m Brown: 4.1m Tsongas 3.7m Lol I just love that this is used to bolster Hillary's perceived turnout but it was dumb to bring up when Hillary supporters were claiming he wasn't getting people to turnout. Just lol. I won't be voting for Hillary even if Bernie endorses her, the stories I've heard about how her and policies she's supported have impacted peoples lives, I can't, in good conscience, vote for her. I think Hillary doesn't get more than 10% of Bernie's supporters/the Obama coalition she didn't have in the primary. If you shave 10% off of Obama's support and Trump matches Romney, Hillary loses. I'd like Dems to realize that's one of a multitude of reasons nominating her is a terrible idea but they seem intent to send someone who's statistically tied with her opponent and the personification of everything he is running against into the election despite multiple warnings and knowing she'll share a foreign policy advisory in common with Trump by the name of Henry Kissinger. I seriously can't wrap my mind around how left leaning people could possibly support someone who thinks Kissinger is someone they should take FP advice from. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 10 2016 12:23 GreenHorizons wrote: Lol I just love that this is used to bolster Hillary's perceived turnout but it was dumb to bring up when Hillary supporters were claiming he wasn't getting people to turnout. Just lol. I won't be voting for Hillary even if Bernie endorses her, the stories I've heard about how her and policies she's supported have impacted peoples lives, I can't, in good conscience, vote for her. I think Hillary doesn't get more than 10% of Bernie's supporters/the Obama coalition she didn't have in the primary. This is exactly the kind of thing I've been waiting for you to say and I just want to say: Thank you. I needed to finally see this pot of water boil over. Biden, Obama, Warren and Sanders is a good day. | ||
KwarK
United States44403 Posts
On June 10 2016 12:23 GreenHorizons wrote: Lol I just love that this is used to bolster Hillary's perceived turnout but it was dumb to bring up when Hillary supporters were claiming he wasn't getting people to turnout. Just lol. I won't be voting for Hillary even if Bernie endorses her, the stories I've heard about how her and policies she's supported have impacted peoples lives, I can't, in good conscience, vote for her. I think Hillary doesn't get more than 10% of Bernie's supporters/the Obama coalition she didn't have in the primary. If you shave 10% off of Obama's support and Trump matches Romney, Hillary loses. I'd like Dems to realize that's one of a multitude of reasons nominating her is a terrible idea but they seem intent to send someone who's statistically tied with her opponent and the personification of everything he is running against into the election despite multiple warnings and knowing she'll share a foreign policy advisory in common with Trump by the name of Henry Kissinger. I seriously can't wrap my mind around how left leaning people could possibly support someone who thinks Kissinger is someone they should take FP advice from. Might as well just vote for Trump then. This is a one or the other deal at this point. Inaction is consent. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12612 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24462 Posts
On June 10 2016 12:26 Mohdoo wrote: This is exactly the kind of thing I've been waiting for you to say and I just want to say: Thank you. I needed to finally see this pot of water boil over. Biden, Obama, Warren and Sanders is a good day. I worded that wrong. I meant that she only needs to fail to get ~10% of Bernie's supporters to end up losing to Trump. Not sure what you were waiting for though. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24462 Posts
On June 10 2016 12:30 KwarK wrote: Might as well just vote for Trump then. This is a one or the other deal at this point. Inaction is consent. No one said anything about inaction. I also call bullshit on the notion that not voting for Hillary is the same as voting for Trump. There are 10's of millions of Americans that aren't Bernie or Trump supporters she could try to earn votes from. If she and her supporters fail, that's on them, not on people who won't vote for her. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24462 Posts
On June 10 2016 12:37 Plansix wrote: Whatever story you need to tell yourself GH. The most important part of all of this is that you feel good. That is why you posted that you wouldn't be voting for Clinton, which you could have kept to yourself. Just like always, its all about you. I suppose I could of went back and quoted the post I was responding to so you wouldn't end up coming off as a pretentious jerk in your post. On June 10 2016 07:37 Mohdoo wrote: I am assuming no one posted this since I don't see it in any recent pages. My apologies if already posted: + Show Spoiler + About as close to an endorsement as you can get. He's still campaigning in DC, so obviously no endorsement. But he did make it clear he would be working with her. GH, what do you think? But I suppose that's easier than refuting that I'm right. What's particularly funny is you had just kissed off my vote anyway so it's clear your response is a result of not liking that I'm right and the whole "but Trump!?!?" being a terrible campaign strategy. | ||
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