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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
June 10 2016 01:12 GMT
#80281
On June 10 2016 10:02 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 09:59 KwarK wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:58 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:37 xDaunt wrote:
On June 10 2016 09:31 oneofthem wrote:
rallying the far left has huge costs to the center. having obama warren etc campaigning will hopefully be enough to peel all but the most ardent leftists.

maybe bloomy wants to be vp?

Hillary's problem is that she doesn't excite the base. She needs to drive democrat turnout, which has been very depressed during the primaries. I don't think that there is much for her to gain in the center.

Trump excites the left the same way Hilary excites the right.

Trump is going to be attacking Hillary from the left on multiple issues. She needs to shore up that flank.

All that's going to do is make the Hillary voters vote more despondantly. They'll still vote against Trump. The left isn't voting for Trump.

The voters on the left will stay home.

I keep seeing you make apocalyptic predictions for the left in this thread, yet you keep ignoring my offers to bet on the result of the GE. How come? Could it be that deep down you know Hillary's going to win?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 10 2016 01:14 GMT
#80282
On June 10 2016 10:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
xDaunt and a few others in this thread (ad many more across the internet it would seem) simply doesn't believe there is actually a pretty big group of people who actually like Hillary

Hey, I'm just looking at the voter turnout numbers for the democrat primaries.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 10 2016 01:16 GMT
#80283
On June 10 2016 10:08 Nyxisto wrote:
Isn't it the case that democratic voters tend to show up way more frequently at presidential elections than anything else? Is the primary turnout really representative, especially given the fact that the Bernie - Hillary race was largely uneventful?

on first Q, I woudln't say way more frequently, but they do show up quite a bit more frequently for presidential elections.
The primary turnout is not representative; there's loads of analyses that found that primary turnout is mostly a question of whether there were interesting choices.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 10 2016 01:18 GMT
#80284
Hard to like a candidate who has no integrity. Hillary behind cameras, and Hillary in front of cameras are two very different people. Atleast Trump and Bernie are simple enough
Question.?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:22:29
June 10 2016 01:20 GMT
#80285
Trump shattered the record for primary votes by over a million he's going to have no problem getting the votes in the general.

He's energized a new demographic of republican voters that just didn't vote before. And all the die-hard GOP'ers, as much shit as they give him, will never vote for Clinton over him.

And when the debates start he's going to sway the center with his superior persuasive skills.

I do think it's pretty funny how both sides seem to believe it will be a landslide for their candidate.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:24:14
June 10 2016 01:22 GMT
#80286
On June 10 2016 10:14 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 10:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
xDaunt and a few others in this thread (ad many more across the internet it would seem) simply doesn't believe there is actually a pretty big group of people who actually like Hillary

Hey, I'm just looking at the voter turnout numbers for the democrat primaries.


relative to the other democratic nominating contests against non-incumbents (also excluding Al Gore), it's far from whatever image you're trying to paint.

2016
Clinton: 16m
Sanders: 12.2m

2008
Clinton: 17.9m (including Florida, Michigan)
Obama: 17.6m

2004
Kerry: 9.9m
Edwards: 3.1m

1992:
Clinton (Bill): 10.5m
Brown: 4.1m
Tsongas 3.7m

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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
June 10 2016 01:22 GMT
#80287
On June 10 2016 10:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Trump shattered the record for primary votes by over a million he's going to have no problem getting the votes in the general.

He's energized a new demographic of republican voters that just didn't vote before. And all the die-hard GOP'ers, as much shit as they give him, will never vote for Clinton over him.

And when the debates start he's going to sway the center with his superior persuasive skills.

I do think it's pretty funny how both sides seem to believe it will be a landslide for their candidate.

quoted for posterity
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 10 2016 01:22 GMT
#80288
Yeah, because the general election voters were so pumped for the last GOP offerings. Wait, no. Trump doesn't know how to get general election voters and the people who decide elections. Primaries number don't matter.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 10 2016 01:25 GMT
#80289
On June 10 2016 10:22 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, because the general election voters were so pumped for the last GOP offerings. Wait, no. Trump doesn't know how to get general election voters and the people who decide elections. Primaries number don't matter.


I was one of the people who actually didn't vote in 2012 because I was so uninterested in both Obama and Romney so speaking as a member of that demographic you just described, I can tell you that you are just wrong.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:26:00
June 10 2016 01:25 GMT
#80290
as if being a member of a demographic gives you license to speak on its behalf....lol, November will be oh so fun
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 10 2016 01:26 GMT
#80291
pack it and go home boys, its anecdotal evidence we cant fight that
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 10 2016 01:27 GMT
#80292
high info voter
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 10 2016 01:29 GMT
#80293
On June 10 2016 10:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 10:22 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, because the general election voters were so pumped for the last GOP offerings. Wait, no. Trump doesn't know how to get general election voters and the people who decide elections. Primaries number don't matter.


I was one of the people who actually didn't vote in 2012 because I was so uninterested in both Obama and Romney so speaking as a member of that demographic you just described, I can tell you that you are just wrong.

As someone who has been able to vote through in 4 times as many elections, you are not one of the demographics that decides elections.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:36:38
June 10 2016 01:36 GMT
#80294
On June 10 2016 10:14 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 10:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
xDaunt and a few others in this thread (ad many more across the internet it would seem) simply doesn't believe there is actually a pretty big group of people who actually like Hillary

Hey, I'm just looking at the voter turnout numbers for the democrat primaries.

Here, read this:

Primary Turnout Means Nothing For The General Election

[...] But Democrats shouldn’t worry. Republicans shouldn’t celebrate. As others have pointed out, voter turnout is an indication of the competitiveness of a primary contest, not of what will happen in the general election. The GOP presidential primary is more competitive than the Democratic race.

Indeed, history suggests that there is no relationship between primary turnout and the general election outcome. You can see this on the most basic level by looking at raw turnout in years in which both parties had competitive primaries. There have been six of those years in the modern era: 1976, 1980, 1988, 1992, 2000 and 2008. [...]

Source
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:38:26
June 10 2016 01:37 GMT
#80295
My current prediction for the general is that neither Clinton nor Trump gets 270. It seems potentially very close to me.

On June 10 2016 10:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Trump shattered the record for primary votes by over a million he's going to have no problem getting the votes in the general.

He's energized a new demographic of republican voters that just didn't vote before. And all the die-hard GOP'ers, as much shit as they give him, will never vote for Clinton over him.

And when the debates start he's going to sway the center with his superior persuasive skills.

I do think it's pretty funny how both sides seem to believe it will be a landslide for their candidate.


Well, this is the internet. You're probably going to be hearing a lot more of the unrealistic voters, no?
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5589 Posts
June 10 2016 01:43 GMT
#80296
On June 10 2016 10:37 The_Templar wrote:
My current prediction for the general is that neither Clinton nor Trump gets 270. It seems potentially very close to me.

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 10:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Trump shattered the record for primary votes by over a million he's going to have no problem getting the votes in the general.

He's energized a new demographic of republican voters that just didn't vote before. And all the die-hard GOP'ers, as much shit as they give him, will never vote for Clinton over him.

And when the debates start he's going to sway the center with his superior persuasive skills.

I do think it's pretty funny how both sides seem to believe it will be a landslide for their candidate.


Well, this is the internet. You're probably going to be hearing a lot more of the unrealistic voters, no?

Do you have a specific third candidate in mind already that you think will be able to win any electoral votes?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
June 10 2016 01:45 GMT
#80297
I've never been less excited to cast a vote
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 10 2016 01:45 GMT
#80298


this'll get you hype

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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 01:46:59
June 10 2016 01:46 GMT
#80299
I'm the president of an ACS chapter, no need for extra hype
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
June 10 2016 01:49 GMT
#80300
On June 10 2016 10:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzLMf6QGONQ

this'll get you hype


LOL I was like "What the fuck is Warren doing at an American Chemical Society meeting?"
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