people shouldn't underestimate trump support. his demo will be turning out and if the turnout is depressed by negative attacks sticking on hillary, this can be trouble.
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
people shouldn't underestimate trump support. his demo will be turning out and if the turnout is depressed by negative attacks sticking on hillary, this can be trouble. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
On June 10 2016 05:55 SK.Testie wrote: 13% of your population responsible for 50% of the violence. You cannot stop a personal bias on this. You see one group as more violent over and over, you will likely shoot them at a different rate. Considering whites are responsible for less than 50% of the violence in America they had 67 or so shot in the same time that blacks had 27. At least half of which were justified killings. Taken into account for crime proportionality, this is fine. Taken into account for general population size, it would be "problematic". But it's not because of what we know of crime proportionality. Not arguing against bad police conduct, I feel this argument in particular is disingenuous. Police, firefighters, and first responders are attacked and shot at by black communities far more often than their white counterparts. KwarK linked a good article on actual police abuse. In many of the cases it was from black officers themselves. Which doesn't mean blacks can't be racist against blacks, but... this particular argument I feel is a bad one. From the Hulk Film Critic on Spike Lee's Do The Right Thing: + Show Spoiler + Which just highlights how amazing Do The Right Thing is at navigating all of this. It has the courage not to express Radio Raheem's victimization through obvious and inarguable injustice, but get at the honest complexity of the event and everyone involved too. If race is a narrative, then this film isn't sugar-coating the narrative at all. Meaning the story is not a cartoonish series of mechanical events designed to teach and make us feel better. In fact, the characters are just as confused and conflicted as we are, often mediating on their identity and purpose, albeit through conflict... But we don't notice. Have you ever noticed how few critics note how much time the film spends being outright critical of Mookie? Who is perhaps a perfect characterization of wayward youth: obsessed with easy money, slacking at his job, not taking responsibility for his life / family. Spike lee, by playing the lead, isn't doing so to glorify the character (something people actually suggest), but to take responsibility for it. He is making himself culpable in such fault, confronting every aspect at the heart of african-american culture. To be clear: the film is not condoning his behavior; it's trying to get us to understand it. Even better, it's reflecting the nature of youth at large, Mookie is no different than the scores of misguided young protagonists who have come before. Besides, every character in Do The Right Thing wrestles with their own particular philosophy, and all seem to have a vice of coping or make a mistake. Da Mayor, our venerable vagrant, must thrive on alcohol to even deal with the life he's seen, an approximation of a generation embattled with civil rights. Mother Sister, haunted by songs of the past. These are human beings. And what the film postulates is that we all have the right to be human beings with vices, and perspective, and anger. It's part of our human narrative. And even now, there is a fight to shape the narrative of who michael brown is and the events that led to his death. Hulk can guarantee the narrative will change more. Which brings us to the crux of the entire point: Nobody deserves to die for such normal human fault. Just as nobody deserves to die for playing their music too loud. So why, when looking at the timeline of events, do we read such acts of provocation? How does a previous theft affect the situation in Ferguson? Why did those high school kids say "But if Radio Raheem turned down his music he wouldn't have died!" they see it as nothing more then activating a piece of what the individual can control to prevent a "Logical" succession of events, and yet it's nothing more than a shade of victim blaming. How many of the same people point out that if sal hadn't called it "Jungle music" and treated raheem with such disdain then he wouldn't have died either? Why is the over-exertion of force an accident? Why is it always an accident? Who deserves to die for acting like most normal human beings would in a situation of provocation? To wit, how many times has Hulk seen dumbass white kids provoking officers in far more offending ways to far lesser results? Hulk's seen people do dumb enough things to be roughed up, arrested and even charged, but it's almost always under the safety of knowing they're not going to be gunned down or choked to death... You know, for some mysterious reason! But that difference is everything, isn't it? Hulk's seen countless riots after sporting events and seen the cops laughing as a bunch of white college kids jumped on cars. Meanwhile, one of Hulk's friends got singled out from the fray and called "A fucking terrorist" and told "Just give me a reason to put this gun up your Arab ass and pull the trigger!" (fact: he was indian). Hulk had to drag said friend back 10 blocks from fighting with the cop. We later lodged complaints to zero response. And the police just let the dumbass college kids have their fun. But it wasn't until a young white girl was tragically killed that the police completely actually changed their tactics. The thing is that hulk 100% understands that these are just anecdotes, objective proof of nothing, but we'd be idiotic to ignore the stark difference. Young black males, ostensibly no different than any other males in terms of psychology, face dire consequences of taking up rightful anger with undue death and criticism. Like the tweet says, years later we're still asking why mookie threw the trashcan instead of why they killed radio raheem. And the problem is we've seen this story before. We talked about this just a year ago with oscar grant and fruitvale. But it was before that too: today it's michael brown, but just a moment ago it was eric garner. Before that? Kimani gray. Kendrick mcdade. Timothy russell. Ervin jefferson. Amadou diallo. Patrick dorismond. Ousmane zongo. Timonthy stansbury jr. Sean bell. Orlando barlow. Aaron campbell. Victor steen. Steven eugene washington. Alonzo ashley. Wendell allen. Ronald madison. James brissette. Travares mcgill. Ramarley graham. Which is nothing to say of tarika wilson. Aiyana jones. Miriam carey. Shereese francis. Shantel davis. Sharmel edwards. Rekia boyd. Tyisha miller. And yvette smith. Some of these stories involve some kind of small provocation. Some of these events border on straight-up murder. But all of these stories feature one similarity: a "Misunderstanding" of law enforcement based on an impossible expectation for the victims' non-behavior. A behavior which cannot express fear, anger, or involuntary movement on the off-chance that behavior might be misinterpreted as violent. It is an expectation, which if not met, results in death. Even the onion nailed the insanity of this. But worst of all it means the line of tacit permission for officers is pushed all the way to the edge of reason. Why else would any of these acts of provocation, none of which are deserving of capital execution, most often result in paid-leave and a slap on the wrist? "Well it was an accident." we reason. Or "They thought they had a gun." of course they did. Largely because if one is going into a situation with that expectation, then that expectation is what will be sought. And when people get incensed about such a ridiculous state of expectation, they are then required by society to approach it as martin luther king would have, lest they be labeled as riotous animals. Our greater society expects these offenses to be met with sadness. A solemn vigil. A tragedy and the good wishing that no more blood be spilled, which will in turn solve everything or something. But instead of solving? We've enacted a series of measures that make it easier for this to happen and militarized the police, while simultaneously removing cops that walk beats. It's impossible to do the right thing when no one seems to care when the wrong things are done to you. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 10 2016 05:40 amazingxkcd wrote: golden You have to wonder what was going through her head when she tried to attack him on deleting digital information She just like set herself up for it and all he had to do was alleyoop | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
On June 10 2016 05:52 cLutZ wrote: Basically here is how it has worked historically: 1) 2nd Amendment was passed, and only applied to the Federal Government (pre 14th amendment this is true of all of the Bill of Rights). 2) Most states adopted some form of the 2nd Amendment into their own Constitutions (as well as much of the other provisions of the BoR). Some also included explicit carve-outs that they could prevent concealed carry. 2A) People argue whether the explicit carve outs indicate that Congress could not regulate concealed carry, or whether they could and these Constitutions were being more explicit. 2B) Regardless, at the time, open carry was the norm, and concealed carry was considered dishonorable and for criminals. Most men who carried at the time open-carried. 3) 14th Amendment, eventually this results in most of the BoR also being applied against the states. This is why the argument of 2A is important for state regulations. 4) Currently there is an argument over Open vs. Concealed carry, and whether each or both can be totally banned by a state. The argument for banning concealed carry is seen in 2B. However, there is an argument that Concealed carry is now the normal way to carry and open carry is considered somewhat intimidating (the car dealerships on the South Side open carry for this reason). Thus courts are wrestling with which regulations are allouw: A) States can ban all carrying outside the home (not likely to be correct) B) Both open and concealed carry are Constitutionally required(also not likely to be correct, but more likely than A) C) Open carry is constitutionally required (possible) D) Concealed carry is required (possible if the court accepts that concealed is now culturally what open used to be) E) A state must allow either open or concealed carry, but need not allow both (probably the highest % chance, so long as they don't just outright overruled Heller). Thanks, that clears it up nicely ![]() | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote: golden You have to wonder what was going through her head when she tried to attack him on deleting digital information She just like set herself up for it and all he had to do was alleyoop Dis gon be good ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
His response was hilarious because he asked how long it took her team to think it up and some dumb crack about emails. It was 5 minutes. Both the tweets are time stamped. The joke is way better when it makes the person telling it look like an idiot. | ||
CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote: golden You have to wonder what was going through her head when she tried to attack him on deleting digital information She just like set herself up for it and all he had to do was alleyoop She responded in 5 minutes. It took him between 30mins to 2 hours. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:16 Plansix wrote: His response was hilarious because he asked how long it took her team to think it up and some dumb crack about emails. It was 5 minutes. Both the tweets are time stamped. The joke is way better when it makes the person telling it look like an idiot. The joke is he handily won his party's nomination against a split field of candidates all attacking him with a campaign staff of less than a hundred. And she had just as difficult a time, taking even longer to become announced the presumed nominee, with over 800 campaign staffers when she had only one candidate to fight against who wasn't even a member of her party before this primary. And that she's telling him to delete his twitter (delete digital information) of all people with what happened in her email scandal. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23231 Posts
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The joke is he handily won his party's nomination against a split field of candidates all attacking him with a campaign staff of less than a hundred. And she had just as difficult a time, taking even longer to become announced the presumed nominee, with over 800 campaign staffers when she had only one candidate to fight against who wasn't even a member of her party before this primary. And that she's telling him to delete his twitter (delete digital information) of all people with what happened in her email scandal. I think you could make a convincing argument that it was actually precisely the split field of candidates that may have allowed him to win. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:19 GreenHorizons wrote: Didn't take long for people to go right back to "slavery was 200 years ago". First No, again please read a history book (not from Texas). Second there is plenty that was done wrong between slavery and today. It's mind blowing how oblivious people are on this. I think everyone is aware of it. It's just the argument originally began with 'white people today are guilty of the enslavement of black people' so that's the go-to instant-rebuttal of that statement. | ||
NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On June 10 2016 05:38 Sermokala wrote: You don't jail someone for killing someone else for the actual murder but to stop other people from freely murdering. People are equating guilt of a crime with some sort of needed punishment for it. People are just asking to deal with the societal impact of that crime our ancestors committed. Can someone confirm this is true in the US? In Croatia's laws, which are basically a copy of all the european- roman derivative laws, we do indeed punish people for commiting a crime. Thats one of the goals of the punishment. They serve retribution, special prevention (for that person), general prevention (for everyone else not to commit crime) and rehabillitation. I believe this is how it is in the rest of Europe. I want to see if this guy has no clue on what he is talking aboug on this issue aswell. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:21 Surth wrote: I think you could make a convincing argument that it was actually precisely the split field of candidates that may have allowed him to win. That's certainly the picture the media painted but as candidates stopped dropping off he didn't stop winning any less, he just ended up winning more. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:16 CannonsNCarriers wrote: She responded in 5 minutes. It took him between 30mins to 2 hours. Math is hard for Trump. He still can’t figure out how much he is worth. | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:23 NukeD wrote: Can someone confirm this is true in the US? In Croatia's laws, which are basically a copy of all the european- roman derivative laws, we do indeed punish people for commiting a crime. Thats one of the goals of the punishment. They serve retribution, special prevention (for that person), general prevention (for everyone else not to commit crime) and rehabillitation. I believe this is how it is in the rest of Europe. I want to see if this guy has no clue on what he is talking aboug on this issue aswell. how you describe is how it is in america as well. sermo is just using unsound rhetoric. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 10 2016 06:23 NukeD wrote: Can someone confirm this is true in the US? In Croatia's laws, which are basically a copy of all the european- roman derivative laws, we do indeed punish people for commiting a crime. Thats one of the goals of the punishment. They serve retribution, special prevention (for that person), general prevention (for everyone else not to commit crime) and rehabillitation. I believe this is how it is in the rest of Europe. I want to see if this guy has no clue on what he is talking aboug on this issue aswell. I believe the general consensus in most modern societies is that jailing someone isn't to punish them but prevent them from causing more harm to society. It's the reason the death penalty has grown less and less popular. You don't really see a difference in preventing suffering between jailing someone vs executing them, execution is just a form of 'revenge' against someone. Any sort of law enforcement is taught that you don't shoot to kill someone, you shoot when you have reason to believe you have to do so to prevent them from hurting you, i.e. self defense or the safety of others | ||
oBlade
United States5585 Posts
On June 10 2016 05:25 Sermokala wrote: People today responsible for slavery they're responsible for benefiting from it and not acknowledging it. Its the same as Egypt and the pyramids. Everyone knows slavery is responsible for it so no one credits the Egyptians for building them, but they still get a ton of tourism from it. Everyone who went to elementary school and learned about the pyramids is also aware of slavery. On June 10 2016 05:38 Sermokala wrote: Theres a HUGE difference between the poor and the literal slaves in a society. Its not a crime of a minority of our ancestors its a crime of all of our ancestors. And we're not trying to even overcome the crime itself but the problem that that crime has created. You don't jail someone for killing someone else for the actual murder but to stop other people from freely murdering. People are equating guilt of a crime with some sort of needed punishment for it. People are just asking to deal with the societal impact of that crime our ancestors committed. You jail the actual murderer, not their descendants, except in the DPRK. It's not about punishment specifically, it's about a person not being responsible for what someone else did before they were even alive. Look, slavery, I disavow, okay? I disavow. But we got rid of slavery. People of any skin color in the US today live better than even Lincoln did. The fact that our society has issues is something that needs actual solutions. | ||
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