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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15712 Posts
May 05 2016 23:39 GMT
#75021
Clinton supporters. Not the Clinton campaign.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 05 2016 23:46 GMT
#75022
So supporters have access to high dollar donors of Republican campaigns?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
May 05 2016 23:47 GMT
#75023
On May 06 2016 07:23 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2016 06:56 andrewlt wrote:
On May 06 2016 06:38 Mohdoo wrote:

On May 06 2016 06:37 hunts wrote:
I wonder if GH is actually sanders? The more apparent it is that sanders has lost, the more desperate and less factual his attacks become, and so too does GH start attacking Hilary more viciously and desperately, with even more conspiracy theories and even fewer facts.


You wanna make this thread the best fucking place on Earth? Imagine, as hard as you can, Bernie typing/saying everything GH says. Then imagine the same thing with oneofthem and Clinton. I need to hear Clinton say "Bernista" some time in my life. Followed by that fucking cackle. God damn.


Which posters can I imagine as Trump or Lucifer?

And please let's not discuss feminism in this thread. We're all guys. The discussion gets extremely stupid when it's discussed with a 100% male group.

Hrm? So you're saying cis-gendered heterosexual males (which is a false assumption, I can assure you) cannot discuss feminism at all, or understand it?


No, he's saying that you have an impoverished discussion if it's conducted *entirely* by men (I didn't see anything there about cis or straight). A balance discussion among 12 zerg players is not really a balance discussion, no matter how much some of them are striving for objectivity.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15712 Posts
May 05 2016 23:48 GMT
#75024
On May 06 2016 08:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So supporters have access to high dollar donors of Republican campaigns?

Yes? I don't understand how they wouldn't. Big donors are still supporters. There are some very important people who want Clinton to be president.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 05 2016 23:57 GMT
#75025
nice updated pic on the first page.
WriterXiao8~~
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 06 2016 00:08 GMT
#75026
On May 06 2016 08:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So supporters have access to high dollar donors of Republican campaigns?

I am sure they have access to phones to call them. Not really sure this is the master plan they should be going with. Maybe try convince them to not donate to the Don and just keep the money.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 06 2016 00:18 GMT
#75027
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama has commuted the prison terms of 58 people, nearly a third of whom were serving life sentences, the White House said on Thursday.

Most of the convicts who will be freed early were non-violent drug offenders.

Obama said in a blog post that “it just doesn’t make sense to require a non-violent drug offender to serve 20 years, or in some cases, life, in prison.”

He has pushed to reform the U.S. criminal justice system to reduce the number of people serving long sentences for such crimes and it one of the few issues where the Democratic president has received support from Republican lawmakers.

The Obama administration announced the most ambitious clemency program in 40 years in April, 2014. The program has struggled under a deluge of unprocessed cases.

Still, the number of commutations Obama has given is more than double the previous six presidents combined, the White House said.

Obama has now commuted the sentences of a total of 306 people, including 110 who had been serving life terms.


Source
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15712 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-06 00:20:05
May 06 2016 00:19 GMT
#75028
On May 06 2016 09:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama has commuted the prison terms of 58 people, nearly a third of whom were serving life sentences, the White House said on Thursday.

Most of the convicts who will be freed early were non-violent drug offenders.

Obama said in a blog post that “it just doesn’t make sense to require a non-violent drug offender to serve 20 years, or in some cases, life, in prison.”

He has pushed to reform the U.S. criminal justice system to reduce the number of people serving long sentences for such crimes and it one of the few issues where the Democratic president has received support from Republican lawmakers.

The Obama administration announced the most ambitious clemency program in 40 years in April, 2014. The program has struggled under a deluge of unprocessed cases.

Still, the number of commutations Obama has given is more than double the previous six presidents combined, the White House said.

Obama has now commuted the sentences of a total of 306 people, including 110 who had been serving life terms.


Source



Anyone at this point think Obama *won't* make some kinda huge move against the war on drugs before he leaves office? A massive issue to the black community would be appropriately shot in the head by our first black president. I really think he's going to at least somehow decriminalize nationally.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 06 2016 01:03 GMT
#75029
He can't decriminalize nationally unless congress agrees to it; which is possible on some level given the bipartisan momentum. Or at least some sentencing reform.
The thing he can do is fix the travesty of marijuana still being schedule I.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
May 06 2016 01:20 GMT
#75030
The full list of the rays of sunshine.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-06 01:37:32
May 06 2016 01:37 GMT
#75031
here's an in depth balancing of the hillary hawk narrative, especially the part about development being the new focus instead of military

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/06/hillary-clinton-doctrine-obama-interventionist-tough-minded-president/
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 06 2016 01:49 GMT
#75032
He'll figure out some way to force Congress' hand I think.

I don't see the problem with asking Republicans who don't like Trump for money. Appeal to their sense of civic responsibility (or their sense of stick-it-to-Trump) and convince them Hillary will be a much better alternative and whatnot.

Besides as the Bernie or Bust guys says why does it matter b/c Hillary is basically a Republican anyways so there's nothing new to hem and haw about really?
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 06 2016 02:04 GMT
#75033
On May 06 2016 10:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
He'll figure out some way to force Congress' hand I think.

I don't see the problem with asking Republicans who don't like Trump for money. Appeal to their sense of civic responsibility (or their sense of stick-it-to-Trump) and convince them Hillary will be a much better alternative and whatnot.

Besides as the Bernie or Bust guys says why does it matter b/c Hillary is basically a Republican anyways so there's nothing new to hem and haw about really?


Also I highly suspect that the bernie or bust clowns won't vote regardless so it's not like they matter here, and the sensible ones will vote for her regardless.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-06 02:09:38
May 06 2016 02:08 GMT
#75034
btw for the breakaway left people, remember when i said how the governing coalition will be more right than present dem. hillary not going to be that rightwing but same cannot be said for the future

dominant economic interest is the professional class involved in corporate america and this sets some limits on practical politics even without considering the need for sound policy for the lower half
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 06 2016 02:26 GMT
#75035
North Carolina state House Speaker Tim Moore (R) said Thursday that the legislature will not meet the deadline to respond to the Justice Department's allegation that the state's new anti-LGBT bill violates the Civil Rights Act.

"We will take no action by Monday," he told reporters, according to the Charlotte Observer. "That deadline will come and go. We don’t ever want to lose any money, but we’re not going to get bullied by the Obama administration to take action prior to Monday’s date. That’s not how this works."

Moore said that legislators are discussing next steps with their attorneys.

Senate Leader Phill Berger (R) indicated that the legislature would offer some type of response, but he was unclear on what that would entail.

"Obviously there’ll have to be some response – you’ve got the deadline – but I don’t see the legislature, as the legislature, taking any specific response," he said Thursday morning, according to the Charlotte Observer.

The Justice Department on Wednesday sent a letter to the North Carolina government notifying the state that its new anti-LGBT law violates the Civil Rights Act. The DOJ gave the state until Monday to confirm "that the State will not comply with or implement HB2."

Gov. Pat McCrory (R) on Wednesday decried the letter as "Washington overreach."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-06 02:37:32
May 06 2016 02:37 GMT
#75036
On May 06 2016 11:08 oneofthem wrote:
btw for the breakaway left people, remember when i said how the governing coalition will be more right than present dem. hillary not going to be that rightwing but same cannot be said for the future

dominant economic interest is the professional class involved in corporate america and this sets some limits on practical politics even without considering the need for sound policy for the lower half


Yes. This. Every governing majority coalition in the history of this country has included the professional class (high W2, but not owners). If your economic plans can't get past professional class supported wonks (hello Bernie NYDN transcript), then you aren't proposing realistic policy.

The American classes:

Dependents (students, social security recipients, home caregivers)
Workers (low W2, hourly)
Professional (high W2, salary)
Owners (claim on business income, capital gains)
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 06 2016 02:37 GMT
#75037
On May 06 2016 11:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
North Carolina state House Speaker Tim Moore (R) said Thursday that the legislature will not meet the deadline to respond to the Justice Department's allegation that the state's new anti-LGBT bill violates the Civil Rights Act.

"We will take no action by Monday," he told reporters, according to the Charlotte Observer. "That deadline will come and go. We don’t ever want to lose any money, but we’re not going to get bullied by the Obama administration to take action prior to Monday’s date. That’s not how this works."

Moore said that legislators are discussing next steps with their attorneys.

Senate Leader Phill Berger (R) indicated that the legislature would offer some type of response, but he was unclear on what that would entail.

"Obviously there’ll have to be some response – you’ve got the deadline – but I don’t see the legislature, as the legislature, taking any specific response," he said Thursday morning, according to the Charlotte Observer.

The Justice Department on Wednesday sent a letter to the North Carolina government notifying the state that its new anti-LGBT law violates the Civil Rights Act. The DOJ gave the state until Monday to confirm "that the State will not comply with or implement HB2."

Gov. Pat McCrory (R) on Wednesday decried the letter as "Washington overreach."


Source


Officials are so full of shit. Special session to pass the bill in 12 hours, but can't respond to federal request for a week?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
May 06 2016 02:38 GMT
#75038
On May 06 2016 08:47 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2016 07:23 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On May 06 2016 06:56 andrewlt wrote:
On May 06 2016 06:38 Mohdoo wrote:

On May 06 2016 06:37 hunts wrote:
I wonder if GH is actually sanders? The more apparent it is that sanders has lost, the more desperate and less factual his attacks become, and so too does GH start attacking Hilary more viciously and desperately, with even more conspiracy theories and even fewer facts.


You wanna make this thread the best fucking place on Earth? Imagine, as hard as you can, Bernie typing/saying everything GH says. Then imagine the same thing with oneofthem and Clinton. I need to hear Clinton say "Bernista" some time in my life. Followed by that fucking cackle. God damn.


Which posters can I imagine as Trump or Lucifer?

And please let's not discuss feminism in this thread. We're all guys. The discussion gets extremely stupid when it's discussed with a 100% male group.

Hrm? So you're saying cis-gendered heterosexual males (which is a false assumption, I can assure you) cannot discuss feminism at all, or understand it?


No, he's saying that you have an impoverished discussion if it's conducted *entirely* by men (I didn't see anything there about cis or straight). A balance discussion among 12 zerg players is not really a balance discussion, no matter how much some of them are striving for objectivity.


Holy shit I need remember that line. Thanks
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 06 2016 03:05 GMT
#75039
The family members of Sandy Hook shooting victims will get to see the internal records of how gun companies market military-style rifles, a Connecticut judge ruled on Thursday.

It is the latest in a string of victories for the Sandy Hook families in their longshot lawsuit against the manufacturer, distributor and dealer of the rifle used in the December 2012 school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

The Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle used to kill 20 first-graders and six educators was a legal weapon, and it was sold legally to Nancy Lanza, who was also killed by the shooter, her son Adam Lanza.

In the wake of the shooting, some family members of victims questioned whether the gun companies’ aggressively macho advertising of military-style rifles was irresponsible, and whether gun companies were intentionally targeting their product to troubled, violent young men like Lanza.

Thursday’s ruling will give the families and their lawyers a chance to request internal documents and interviews with company officials to answer the question – even if their lawsuit arguing that gun companies were negligent to sell military-style weapons to civilians is ultimately unsuccessful.

The gun companies targeted by the lawsuit had argued that they are not responsible for the criminal misuse of their products, and that a 2005 federal law specifically shields them from lawsuits like this one.


Source
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 06 2016 03:20 GMT
#75040
On May 06 2016 10:37 oneofthem wrote:
here's an in depth balancing of the hillary hawk narrative, especially the part about development being the new focus instead of military

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/06/hillary-clinton-doctrine-obama-interventionist-tough-minded-president/

I mean, all her previous FP interventions (the ones that she helped to spearhead, such as Yugoslavia and Libya) have been pretty disastrous by all accounts. She has a lot of FP experience, and most of it is mired in failures. Even the article you posted (which gives her a tremendous amount more credit than she deserves) gives the general perception of her FP tenure as a generally ineffective one ridden with blunders.

It's too bad that the Republicans are worse so there really isn't much of a choice here.
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