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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 17 2016 02:07 GMT
#67401
On March 17 2016 10:37 SK.Testie wrote:
xdaunt tried to make this thread great again.

Pfff, the greatness of this thread is always enhanced when I'm around!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46570 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:10:19
March 17 2016 02:09 GMT
#67402
On March 17 2016 10:38 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 10:37 SK.Testie wrote:
On March 17 2016 10:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2016 10:26 SK.Testie wrote:
Please make a list of demands so that we might channel our energy in a useful way to dismantle the patriarchy.
What forms of oppression are you most against?
We have gender gap (debunked multiple times)?
and.. ? I'll wait for a long list, and if they are valid claims I will join the fight.
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To the post below. No. 70c on the dollar is a myth.
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I know you were trolling last night with your kale fit; I'm not going to fall for it again


The Kale fit was pure fun but it was 100% true. If you're a fatty you will lose weight with that diet. It's quite literally impossible not to. But considering you keep hijacking the thread with womens issues yet not showing a single instance of women being oppressed, and astoundingly thinking that the west and other places oppress women in an equal way is complete, utter bullshit and you cannot be taken seriously. So when you say, "I'm not going to answer that question" it simply shows that your argument has no legs to stand on. So you can feel free to PM me the way women are oppressed as well. I think women have many advantages over men currently. I would say they didn't have these 50 years ago. But they have them now. I'd also argue that men have advantages over women inherently. (We're stronger, our sports are therefore way more funsies). I'd also argue that I really, truly, passionately do not care about this issue. But am still willing to hear it since you're bringing it up so much.

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On March 17 2016 08:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2016 08:39 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On March 17 2016 08:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On March 17 2016 08:32 SolaR- wrote:
On March 17 2016 08:27 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On March 17 2016 08:01 farvacola wrote:
On March 17 2016 07:55 SolaR- wrote:
On March 17 2016 05:58 Plansix wrote:
Man, every country with majority Muslim population must be a violent hell hole if that is true??? So why isn’t that the case? Oh yeah…….


That's because when female genital mutilation is legal and a cultural norm, you don't have these acts as documented crime. Also, rape is also basically legal, and it is inherent in their culture and religion. Leave it to the liberal to not see anything passed statistics.

I suggest you take a look at this book and other writings by Nawal El Saadawi to get an idea how inherently fucked up this culture is and it's treatment of women.

http://www.amazon.com/Nawal-El-Saadawi-Reader/dp/1856495140/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1458168759&sr=8-9&keywords=Nawal El Saadawi

You do realize that one of her most famous quotes is,
"The feminists who are aware of the effects of patriarchy realize that we are all in the same boat from the dangers of patriarchy, and that the oppression of women is universal,"


...right?

Here's another lol:
"Women in most countries have not achieved much, because they can't be liberated under the patriarchal, capitalist, imperialist and military system that determines the way we live now, and which is governed by power, not justice, by false democracy, not real freedom."


Those are not mutually exclusive ideas.

Both sides are equally suppressed by the patriarchy, but the types of attacks are merely different between both. One is more related to public violence (stoning, mutilation, acid burning, etc...) while the other is related to private violence (rapes, domestic abuse, prostitution) while both sides also had non-violent suppression (Enforced dress codes, limited business viability, silenced outraged, etc...)

Although some acts of violence is seen as worse by westerners (like mutilation) it doesn't mean that western women are less attacked by the Patriarchy.


Yeah in the west we stone rape victims to death because they dishonored men and Allah


In the middle east they do it because god said so, in the west they do it because they feel entitled to. Which one being worse seems to be a matter of what color skin you are.


They do? Where in the west do men stone women?


You're really going to get nitpicky about the type of weapon used to implement violence?

Women get shot in the united states for telling men they aren't interested. So don't pretend that shit doesn't happen here.


Except that's illegal and rare and not culturally acceptable here. Big difference.

American women are indeed oppressed and objectified, and that needs to be fixed, but it's not really helpful to embellish and say it's as bad here as it is in some of the Muslim extremist countries.


you're responding to the wrong poster, bruh


I'm sure he knows that... again, he's just trolling and making things up at this point.

It's silly because other people are trying to actually make points and have discussions, but oh well. No point in getting down over him
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 17 2016 02:16 GMT
#67403
need elo for posting
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:16:56
March 17 2016 02:16 GMT
#67404
I'm sure Kasich is touting this info while campaigning....

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WYTV) – A child born in Iran has a greater chance of survival than a black child born in Youngstown. That’s the issue health professionals all across Mahoning County are trying to deal with.

According to data published by the Mahoning Youngstown Infant Mortality Coalition, African-American babies in Youngstown are three times more likely to die than white babies. Mahoning County Health Commissioner Pat Sweeney has been dealing with those numbers since she took office four years ago.

“It’s just been staggering,” Sweeney said. “That’s true inequity. That’s not disparity. There is something going on in the community, institutionally that has made it so a black infant, no matter what the mother’s education is, has less likelihood of surviving to its first birthday than a white infant in this community. That we have to change,” Sweeney said.

Health officials are trying to get every baby to their first birthday. So they’re bringing conversations about race and culture into the doctor’s offices. A program is underway to educate physicians and their patients.

Youngstown Health Commissioner Erin Bishop says once that underlying issue has been addressed, doctors can start addressing the medical issues leading to babies’ death such as prematurity and sudden infant death syndrome.


Mah. health commish says black infant mortality rate ‘staggering’
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:36:54
March 17 2016 02:21 GMT
#67405
On March 17 2016 10:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Donald Trump on Wednesday sounded like a man ready to take the stage as the Republican Party's nominee by acclamation at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland come mid-July, delegate math and a debate scheduled (and later canceled) for next Monday be damned.

Denying him the GOP nomination as part of a contested convention, he declared, would "disenfranchise" the millions of people he is bringing into the party and could spark riots. The only problem: Delegate math.

Trump, who flooded the morning television shows with a deluge of off-camera telephone calls after a night of big wins that knocked Florida Sen. Marco Rubio out of the race, said that even if he doesn’t amass a majority of delegates by July, the party should unite behind him anyway. But Trump has a ways to go when it comes to getting to the magic number of 1,237.
At this point in the 2012 race, which began a month earlier than this year's, Mitt Romney was already on his way to securing a simple majority of total delegate votes, though even he did not get there until a resounding victory in Texas on May 29.

“I think we'll win before getting to the convention, but I can tell you, if we didn't and if we're 20 votes short or if we're 100 short and we're at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400, because we're way ahead of everybody, I don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. I think it would be — I think you'd have riots,” Trump told CNN's "New Day."

Trump said he's bringing in all kinds of new people to the party, and those voices must be heard — or else.


Source


The sheer amount of not-even-vague threatening in that speech is something to behold. Thuggishness at its peak. If you get 47% percent of the delegates with 37-40% of the popular vote and your party doesn't nominate you because it looks like ~40% of the party doesn't want to nominate you, you don't get to riot buddy.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 17 2016 02:31 GMT
#67406
yep he thinks violence is a legitimate tool in politics or are we still doing the 'he's a moderate' meme?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 17 2016 02:36 GMT
#67407
On March 17 2016 11:31 Nyxisto wrote:
yep he thinks violence is a legitimate tool in politics or are we still doing the 'he's a moderate' meme?

Do you really think that his point is wrong? That there won't be huge problems if the GOP fucks over its voters?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 17 2016 02:37 GMT
#67408
i'd love for trump to say some really terrible things and then have bill sock him in the face. that would be amazing.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:40:14
March 17 2016 02:37 GMT
#67409
On March 17 2016 11:36 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 11:31 Nyxisto wrote:
yep he thinks violence is a legitimate tool in politics or are we still doing the 'he's a moderate' meme?

Do you really think that his point is wrong? That there won't be huge problems if the GOP fucks over its voters?


The thuggishness isn't predicting violence.

The thuggishness is not even hinting that he would try to prevent the violence like a decent human being. "I wouldn't lead it" is not enough. Do you actually think this behavior is appropriate as a human being, xDaunt? Honestly?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:41:28
March 17 2016 02:38 GMT
#67410
On March 17 2016 11:36 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 11:31 Nyxisto wrote:
yep he thinks violence is a legitimate tool in politics or are we still doing the 'he's a moderate' meme?

Do you really think that his point is wrong? That there won't be huge problems if the GOP fucks over its voters?



of course it's a democratic problem if his voters are ignored, but the things that get his voterbase really riled up are problematic, in itself violent and he's repeatedly made them even crazier so he has some responsibility here. He needs to calm them down and stop pitting them against other Americans. I dunno if this all is just a giant joke for him but the hate he creates will probably stay for much longer.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 17 2016 02:38 GMT
#67411
Its a really nice convention you have hear. Really nice. I like it it a lot. You seem to have put a lot of time and effort into it. It would be a shame if was ruined by riots or some sort of violence. A real shame. I might cry. You should be careful, because there are a lot of violent people out there.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:42:10
March 17 2016 02:41 GMT
#67412
Gives reasonable response. Literally saying, "Yeah I think people would be mad if they tried to steal the primary election. What was the entire point of voting? People would have legitimate anger at that".

Is immediately framed as if he's threatening violence.
CNN's page
"Trump: 'Riots' if I'm not nominee"
Really loved the "or else" touch. As if he said, "Look, choose me. Or else".
What moderate meme? He's moderate on

Oh yeah, real thuggish. That's why he has so much support. People who see through those lame ass tricks aren't taking the bait.
NYT just ran, "Donald wants to Make America White Again".
Every media outlet is attacking the shit out of him and they've been running on all cylinders for the entire campaign. It's delicious that the shit only makes him more popular.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 17 2016 02:42 GMT
#67413
On March 17 2016 11:36 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 11:31 Nyxisto wrote:
yep he thinks violence is a legitimate tool in politics or are we still doing the 'he's a moderate' meme?

Do you really think that his point is wrong? That there won't be huge problems if the GOP fucks over its voters?

The GOP is not controlled by the voters. I don't think any candidate should be suggesting violence will take place if a party decided not to nominate someone that will be harmful to them. And don't give me the "he is being honest" shit. He is literally saying "It would be really sad if there was violence if I don't get what I want."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:44:11
March 17 2016 02:43 GMT
#67414
On March 17 2016 11:41 SK.Testie wrote:
Gives reasonable response.
Is immediately framed as if he's threatening violence.
CNN's page
"Trump: 'Riots' if I'm not nominee"
Really loved the "or else" touch. As if he said, "Look, choose me. Or else".
What moderate meme? He's moderate on

Oh yeah, real thuggish. That's why he has so much support. People who see through those lame ass tricks aren't taking the bait.
NYT just ran, "Donald wants to Make America White Again".
Every media outlet is attacking the shit out of him and they've been running on all cylinders for the entire campaign. It's delicious that the shit only makes him more popular.


The reasonable response is saying, "there might be violence but I would do everything in my power to discourage and dissuade it." Point me to that part of his response please. And don't tell me his hordes of slavish fanboys wouldn't stand down if he really told them to.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 17 2016 02:45 GMT
#67415
He doesn't have to say that in this context because they are again, misrepresenting what he said. Look at the page on CNN, that's clearly not how he intended it. That's the media, again, inciting violence. They're the biggest perpetrators this entire campaign and it's really sad to see. Because I thought everything else was pretty shit, but CNN were at least the neutral brand.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 02:47:45
March 17 2016 02:47 GMT
#67416
On March 17 2016 11:45 SK.Testie wrote:
He doesn't have to say that in this context because they are again, misrepresenting what he said. Look at the page on CNN, that's clearly not how he intended it. That's the media, again, inciting violence. They're the biggest perpetrators this entire campaign and it's really sad to see. Because I thought everything else was pretty shit, but CNN were at least the neutral brand.


ANY time you mention that your supporters might riot in ANY context you should say "that is not what my campaign is about and if there were violence I would firmly discourage anyone doing so" if you're a decent human being. Why people are so dedicated to excusing this behavior I cannot fathom.
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
March 17 2016 02:48 GMT
#67417
I think "riots" is a strong word here. The Trumpkin revolt if he gets the nomination stolen despite a plurality delegate count would be more like a third party run or a mass betrayal of the Republican party by the white working class. The Trumpkins are not 22-year olds wandering out from the dorm for a nice protest.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 17 2016 02:48 GMT
#67418
CNN: We have 45 eye witnesses showing Trump burning a cross on a black families lawn in a white hood. Plus video of the whole thing.

The internet: Are we sure he meant it? That is wasn't satire? I have to hear his side before I made a decision.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
March 17 2016 02:50 GMT
#67419
hey guys, The girl next door deserved to be raped because she was wearing a really short skirt. Too bad
Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 17 2016 02:52 GMT
#67420
You people are reading way too much into what Trump is saying. Saying "X will happen if Y happens" is a neutral statement. It is no different than someone correctly pointing out that black people in Baltimore will riot if a Baltimore cop shoots and unarmed black kid. It's a facially neutral statement. It is not an encouragement of certain behavior.
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