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ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
February 10 2016 02:13 GMT
#57441
On February 10 2016 09:00 Cowboy64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 08:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Also, there are many who feel voting should be made more difficult, not less.


Yeah, people who prefer obedient idiots over educated voters.

Then your goal should be education, not turn-out-the-vote programs designed to bring uneducated voters en massé to the voting booths.

I'll be honest about my intentions: I think bringing the voting age above 25 and requiring a state-issued ID would prevent a lot of uninformed, uneducated, reliably Democrat voters from engaging in the process. The drive for amnesty is at least 95% about bringing in more of these types of voters for the Democrats, so I feel no qualms about engaging in voter-control wars.

My proposal would just have the added bonus of bringing up the average education of the voter. So it should satisfy your concerns.

edit: I made this sound worse than I originally meant. I don't think voting restrictions for the sake of political gain are okay or acceptable. I do think it is far too easy to vote in this country, and I do think we should require more civic responsibility and effort from our citizens.


It really just sounds like you want less democrats to vote. People are not less educated because they disagree with you.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 02:19:42
February 10 2016 02:15 GMT
#57442
the race between Bush and Cruz is the real story here. Both at 11.6% according to WashingtonPost right now

Clinton apparently also below 40% atm
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15677 Posts
February 10 2016 02:17 GMT
#57443
Please for the love of god just beat Rubio, Jeb!
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 10 2016 02:24 GMT
#57444
That speech by Clinton was a mess. It was like she was shooting shit at a wall with a high velocity cannon.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15677 Posts
February 10 2016 02:26 GMT
#57445
omg Rubio just went down 0.1% :> :> :> :>
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
February 10 2016 02:29 GMT
#57446
On February 10 2016 11:24 xDaunt wrote:
That speech by Clinton was a mess. It was like she was shooting shit at a wall with a high velocity cannon.


It's really falling apart.

Now she's going to make the case for campaign finance reform while simultaneously claiming she alone is above it's influence.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 10 2016 02:29 GMT
#57447
On February 10 2016 11:13 ZackAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 09:00 Cowboy64 wrote:
On February 10 2016 08:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Also, there are many who feel voting should be made more difficult, not less.


Yeah, people who prefer obedient idiots over educated voters.

Then your goal should be education, not turn-out-the-vote programs designed to bring uneducated voters en massé to the voting booths.

I'll be honest about my intentions: I think bringing the voting age above 25 and requiring a state-issued ID would prevent a lot of uninformed, uneducated, reliably Democrat voters from engaging in the process. The drive for amnesty is at least 95% about bringing in more of these types of voters for the Democrats, so I feel no qualms about engaging in voter-control wars.

My proposal would just have the added bonus of bringing up the average education of the voter. So it should satisfy your concerns.

edit: I made this sound worse than I originally meant. I don't think voting restrictions for the sake of political gain are okay or acceptable. I do think it is far too easy to vote in this country, and I do think we should require more civic responsibility and effort from our citizens.


It really just sounds like you want less democrats to vote. People are not less educated because they disagree with you.

That's the plan. Democrats need to be stopped from voting. Why win votes when you can just stop them from voting at all?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
February 10 2016 02:36 GMT
#57448
So, I realize I'm late to the party and all, but if tonight goes the way it has been going, I'm 2/2 for predictions so far. Woot.

Politics got less stressful when I stopped worrying about who was right and started being interested in who was winning. #yaynihilism
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 10 2016 02:37 GMT
#57449
We all know it's $27 hahaha
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ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 10 2016 02:41 GMT
#57450
In the end, it will be Bernie Sanders vs The Don for the presidential seat.

The primary vision in Hillary's campaign is that she is a woman, you can fool girls who can't think for themselves but smart people will say "So what?".

Bernie Sanders' vision is to turn USA into a communism country. Donny's vision is to push capitalism to its apex.

Now it just depends on what Americans wants of their nation.



darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
February 10 2016 02:42 GMT
#57451
On February 10 2016 11:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 11:24 xDaunt wrote:
That speech by Clinton was a mess. It was like she was shooting shit at a wall with a high velocity cannon.


It's really falling apart.

Now she's going to make the case for campaign finance reform while simultaneously claiming she alone is above it's influence.



Yea that's actually really funny. Hadn't thought of it

Sanders - 59%
Clinton - 38%

This is a fucking walloping. RCP had a +13 point margin for Sanders. Outperformed polls again, winning independents something like 72%-28% against Clinton
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 02:47:46
February 10 2016 02:44 GMT
#57452
On February 10 2016 11:41 ErectedZenith wrote:
In the end, it will be Bernie Sanders vs The Don for the presidential seat.

The primary vision in Hillary's campaign is that she is a woman, you can fool girls who can't think for themselves but smart people will say "So what?".

Bernie Sanders' vision is to turn USA into a communism country. Donny's vision is to push capitalism to its apex.

Now it just depends on what Americans wants of their nation.


Next comes the proletariat revolution, I guess?
I really don't think what he is advocating is communist, as such. I also rarely hear what Donny's vision actually beyond it will be fantastic and I'll hire guys, you'll never heard of before. They'll be great, way better than the current guys.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 10 2016 02:46 GMT
#57453
On February 10 2016 11:42 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 11:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 10 2016 11:24 xDaunt wrote:
That speech by Clinton was a mess. It was like she was shooting shit at a wall with a high velocity cannon.


It's really falling apart.

Now she's going to make the case for campaign finance reform while simultaneously claiming she alone is above it's influence.



Yea that's actually really funny. Hadn't thought of it

Sanders - 59%
Clinton - 38%

This is a fucking walloping. RCP had a +13 point margin for Sanders. Outperformed polls again, winning independents something like 72%-28% against Clinton

We aren't even done yet in NH. That lead could increase. Right now it's 60.5 to 38.4 according to this.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
February 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#57454


This like the independents number in NH is one more reason why Bernie is the stronger candidate for the general
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#57455
eh, so Carson is indeed going to continue?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 02:52:11
February 10 2016 02:49 GMT
#57456
On February 10 2016 11:47 Toadesstern wrote:
eh, so Carson is indeed going to continue?


If he does it's strictly to sell books/stick it to Cruz out of spite.

He still has money coming in and going out they want to spend up that cash before calling an end to it, don't be surprised if it ends abruptly.

Republican Race will be over by super Tuesday though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-10 02:52:47
February 10 2016 02:52 GMT
#57457
Can't wait for Bernie's autobiography. He's too good
rip passion
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
February 10 2016 02:54 GMT
#57458
He gets me every time he talks about his early life/parents. It's one of the few times you can tell how much this means him. Such touching moments
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
February 10 2016 02:55 GMT
#57459
New Hampshire is clearly feeling dat Bern
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
February 10 2016 02:57 GMT
#57460
Ugh. That audio guy is not doing so well for Trump speaking, close to feedback. Fix it, man.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
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