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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 03 2016 02:31 GMT
#56641
On February 03 2016 11:23 oneofthem wrote:
iowa and NH are clear bernie high watermarks.

Exactly. I don't see Bernie having a shot at winning too many other early states. Bernie needed Iowa and NH to really help snowball his campaign.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44417 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-03 02:32:16
February 03 2016 02:31 GMT
#56642
I saw a U.S.S.A. bumper sticker a few days ago and wanted to stop the guy and explain to him that the R in USSR does not stand for Russia and that even if it did USSA would be Union of Socialist Soviet Americas which would be dumb as hell and that if the USA became a Soviet state it would be called the USSR also.

Alas he drove off into the distance.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 03 2016 02:32 GMT
#56643
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...

Heck, there are even people on reddit that are anti-sanders and they're normally some weird, twisted hive mind.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 03 2016 02:35 GMT
#56644
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...

It's just too diverse a community. The notable lack is actual Hillary supporters not

well, we can't have Trump or Cruz, and Bernie just doesn't stand a chance ... so I guess my man woman is Hillary.

I literally haven't heard a single positive 'She's the best person for the job, her record shows she can lead, her scandals and corruption have been overblown, she's my girl!'
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44417 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-03 02:38:49
February 03 2016 02:37 GMT
#56645
"Hillary probably won't destroy America. Probably."

- Hillary for a continued future for America in some form 2016
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 03 2016 02:40 GMT
#56646
I'd vote hillary against any of the current top 5+ republicans, but I wouldn't like it.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44417 Posts
February 03 2016 02:43 GMT
#56647
There again with B-Sands it's probably

"Sanders for a futile attempt to enact sweeping reforms in a divided America followed by a reevaluation of goals and perhaps the laying of necessary groundwork for an eventual better America in 20 years"

I like what Sanders is saying but I also understand that half of America hates it on principle and obstructionism has been their stated policy for 8 years. They could probably do another 8.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 03 2016 02:45 GMT
#56648
On February 03 2016 11:35 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...

It's just too diverse a community. The notable lack is actual Hillary supporters not

well, we can't have Trump or Cruz, and Bernie just doesn't stand a chance ... so I guess my man woman is Hillary.

I literally haven't heard a single positive 'She's the best person for the job, her record shows she can lead, her scandals and corruption have been overblown, she's my girl!'


I guess she's just a very pragmatic choice and when somebody is asked for their political preference they're not going to give you a career bureaucrat as an answer. On the other hand she's probably going to get more useful stuff done than anybody else.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-03 02:52:29
February 03 2016 02:52 GMT
#56649
i've been a hillary supporter since before obama
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 03 2016 02:54 GMT
#56650
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...

the eu politics thread is transforming into stormfront right now, so its not all that suprising , lol.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 03 2016 02:55 GMT
#56651
On February 03 2016 11:52 oneofthem wrote:
i've been a hillary supporter since before obama

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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 03 2016 03:03 GMT
#56652
too bad policies can backfire, just like guns
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 03 2016 03:06 GMT
#56653
On February 03 2016 11:54 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...

the eu politics thread is transforming into stormfront right now, so its not all that suprising , lol.

I'm so glad someone else noticed that and I wasn't going crazy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-03 03:15:36
February 03 2016 03:13 GMT
#56654
In an ironic twist of history all the German TLers wil be forced to seek refuge in the US politics thread : (
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
February 03 2016 03:14 GMT
#56655
On February 03 2016 12:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2016 11:54 Paljas wrote:
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...

the eu politics thread is transforming into stormfront right now, so its not all that suprising , lol.

I'm so glad someone else noticed that and I wasn't going crazy.


Hey, in my mind I'm lately always praising the USP thread for it's sanity. Taking refuge here.

I guess how bad you look is always about the contrast. And the EUP thread is quite a dark one.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-03 03:18:25
February 03 2016 03:17 GMT
#56656
On February 03 2016 11:31 KwarK wrote:
I saw a U.S.S.A. bumper sticker a few days ago and wanted to stop the guy and explain to him that the R in USSR does not stand for Russia and that even if it did USSA would be Union of Socialist Soviet Americas which would be dumb as hell and that if the USA became a Soviet state it would be called the USSR also.

Alas he drove off into the distance.


I know what you mean. I'm currently living in hillbilly-no where Indiana and I see so many trucks driving around with the "confederate flag" flying in their truck beds. I can almost guarantee you most of them don't realize that Indiana was part of the Union, and that the flag they're flying was never really the Confederate flag.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
February 03 2016 03:31 GMT
#56657
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...


Not gonna defend rednecks, but your intelectual high-horse is disgusting.

You are basically implying "smart" people are supposed to be Welfare state fans and support a self procclaimed socialist. Jesus.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-03 03:36:21
February 03 2016 03:35 GMT
#56658
On February 03 2016 12:31 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...


Not gonna defend rednecks, but your intelectual high-horse is disgusting.

You are basically implying "smart" people are supposed to be Welfare state fans and support a self procclaimed socialist. Jesus.

I agree with what you're saying if he was trying to imply "smart" people for being for those things. But he isn't really implying that "smart" people are supposed to be for that, he said "TLers"... Which is mostly made up of young people....which are mostly uninformed on political/economic issues.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 03 2016 03:46 GMT
#56659
I'm a Hillary supporter, and those saying "people support her because of a single reason" and "no one is enthusiastic" are oversimplifying the situation quite a bit.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-03 03:53:34
February 03 2016 03:46 GMT
#56660
On February 03 2016 11:45 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2016 11:35 Danglars wrote:
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...

It's just too diverse a community. The notable lack is actual Hillary supporters not

well, we can't have Trump or Cruz, and Bernie just doesn't stand a chance ... so I guess my man woman is Hillary.

I literally haven't heard a single positive 'She's the best person for the job, her record shows she can lead, her scandals and corruption have been overblown, she's my girl!'


I guess she's just a very pragmatic choice and when somebody is asked for their political preference they're not going to give you a career bureaucrat as an answer. On the other hand she's probably going to get more useful stuff done than anybody else.

Right. That brand of pragmatism isn't glitzy.

On February 03 2016 11:52 oneofthem wrote:
i've been a hillary supporter since before obama

It just didn't really come through. We didn't have a big 1500-page thread in 2008, it was the 2012 election. You vote for her in a primary? Believe she would've done a better job as president 2008-now?

The enthusiasm for her is just dead, from the Santa Monica libs to San Diego. Most current Hillary-supporters people I talked to wished for Biden, and Warren behind him (though obviously the latter identifies more with current Sanders supporters). It's like some dismal, dutiful vote for party, the only fire comes when we talk about Trump & Cruz.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 03 2016 12:31 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2016 11:27 Advantageous wrote:
I'm just surprised there's actually people here on TL that is opposed to Sanders winning lol. Thought everyone on TL would be progressive and looking forward to Sanders missing Hilary by a small margin...


Not gonna defend rednecks, but your intelectual high-horse is disgusting.

You are basically implying "smart" people are supposed to be Welfare state fans and support a self procclaimed socialist. Jesus.

Well, isn't that the state of the union? Opposing progressive policies is not fighting the good fight, it's obstruction. Everybody knows they're the right ideas for the country and it's only out of hatred, nay racial hatred, that they're rejected. If this thread is one thing, it's the settled opinion that the intellectual high horse is just the flat ground of political sense, and the conservative wing of the GOP is in a hole digging itself deeper and trying to drag the rest of the country with it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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