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Ingsoc101
Profile Joined May 2013
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 20:14:06
June 03 2013 20:09 GMT
#5521

When a school in Dallas, Texas, provides two dollars to students for each book they have read, it might get them to read more, but it makes them also to consider reading as a form of piecework instead of as a satisfaction in itself.

True. But then you have to acknowledge that neither markets nor governments can instil this virtue into children. This is where the role of proper parenting comes into play, something that modern society has a propensity to ignore in such equations. Which might have a little something to do with the continual breakdown of the family and proper parenting.

JohnnyB also made an excellent point regarding this.

This is what I see when I look at social welfare programs and the market economy. There is a decision to make on whether to leave a good/service to the private sector for efficiency, or to the public sector under a social directive.

The ideal solution in nearly all cases is to leave all goods and services to the private sector, and to resort to direct government action or subsidies to iron out the problems, instead of putting the entire purview of the sector into the hands of bureaucratic institutions. There are exceptions of course, particularly when it comes to the legal or military realm, or some technical monopolies.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 03 2013 20:31 GMT
#5522
On June 04 2013 05:09 Ingsoc101 wrote:
This is where the role of proper parenting comes into play, something that modern society has a propensity to ignore in such equations. Which might have a little something to do with the continual breakdown of the family and proper parenting.

.

I'm curious as to what proper parenting is in this case. The main reason why proper parenting isn't common is because people tend to disagree on what it is. Moreover, what is the "continual breakdown on the family" referring to here?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 03 2013 20:51 GMT
#5523
The Republican Party’s troubles with young voters are well known. But a new internal report virtually elevates the threat level to apocalyptic, declaring that the GOP needs a “fundamental re-thinking” of its approach in order to remain viable with the younger generation.

The 95-page report by the College National Republican Committee, based on in-depth research by the Winston Group on voters aged 18-29 nationwide, warns of “a dismal present situation” for the GOP when it comes to Millennial voters.

“Neither technology, nor policy, nor branding alone will fully endear the Republican Party to a generation that has now twice broken for a Democratic candidate by historic margins,” the report concludes. “Yet a message and narrative that focuses on economic growth and opportunity cannot exist without substance behind it. [T]here are still many items in the Republican economic agenda that young voters have not been sold on.”


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ingsoc101
Profile Joined May 2013
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 20:55:49
June 03 2013 20:53 GMT
#5524
On June 04 2013 05:31 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 05:09 Ingsoc101 wrote:
This is where the role of proper parenting comes into play, something that modern society has a propensity to ignore in such equations. Which might have a little something to do with the continual breakdown of the family and proper parenting.

.

I'm curious as to what proper parenting is in this case. The main reason why proper parenting isn't common is because people tend to disagree on what it is. Moreover, what is the "continual breakdown on the family" referring to here?

Well, among other things, the breakdown of the family refers to the massive rate of child illegitimacy, which all the data points to increasing rates of poverty, crime, etc. When it comes to proper parenting to get children to read, just doing basic things can go a long way. For example, teaching them to read at a young age, reading books to them throughout childhood, making them take time away from television or video games now and then, and so on. I don't know who would disagree with any of these recommendations. It's not complicated stuff, just be a parent instead of letting the school and the television do your job for you.

On June 04 2013 05:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Republican Party’s troubles with young voters are well known. But a new internal report virtually elevates the threat level to apocalyptic, declaring that the GOP needs a “fundamental re-thinking” of its approach in order to remain viable with the younger generation.

The 95-page report by the College National Republican Committee, based on in-depth research by the Winston Group on voters aged 18-29 nationwide, warns of “a dismal present situation” for the GOP when it comes to Millennial voters.

“Neither technology, nor policy, nor branding alone will fully endear the Republican Party to a generation that has now twice broken for a Democratic candidate by historic margins,” the report concludes. “Yet a message and narrative that focuses on economic growth and opportunity cannot exist without substance behind it. [T]here are still many items in the Republican economic agenda that young voters have not been sold on.”


Source

Yes, I think conservatives and liberals alike agree that the Republican party is in huge trouble if they keep on this road. Their options are to adapt or die. Of course there is always the possibility that the Democrats will fuck things so much that the public will knee jerk for Republicans again, but it's not likely, especially with the media telling people what to think.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 03 2013 20:55 GMT
#5525
On June 04 2013 05:53 Ingsoc101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 05:31 Shiori wrote:
On June 04 2013 05:09 Ingsoc101 wrote:
This is where the role of proper parenting comes into play, something that modern society has a propensity to ignore in such equations. Which might have a little something to do with the continual breakdown of the family and proper parenting.

.

I'm curious as to what proper parenting is in this case. The main reason why proper parenting isn't common is because people tend to disagree on what it is. Moreover, what is the "continual breakdown on the family" referring to here?

Well, among other things, the breakdown of the family refers to the massive rate of child illegitimacy, which all the data points to increasing rates of poverty, crime, etc. When it comes to proper parenting to get children to read, just doing basic things can go a long way. For example, teaching them to read at a young age, reading books to them throughout childhood, making them take time away from television or video games now and then, and so on. I don't know who would disagree with any of these recommendations. It's not complicated stuff, just be a parent instead of letting the school and the television do your job for you.

I don't disagree. I was just looking for your definition. I'd definitely like to hear what other things you mean by the breakdown of the family, since that's a very politically charged phrase and I'd hate to misinterpret your position.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
June 03 2013 23:08 GMT
#5526
LOL, and no, this isn't from the Onion.
Geraldo Rivera, the host of a Fox News show, said on Monday that in the unlikely event that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie called him about representing the state in the U.S. Senate, he “would definitely take the call.”

Sen. Frank Lautenberg died Monday due to complications from viral pneumonia at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell. He was 89 years old.

Lautenberg, a Democrat, said in February that he would not seek a sixth term. He was up for re-election in 2014.

Christie, a Republican, now must appoint a replacement for Lautenberg.

Earlier this year, Rivera said that was "seriously contemplating running" for the U.S. Senate in his home state of New Jersey. At the time, Lautenberg had not yet announced plans to retire from the Senate.


Geraldo Rivera Says It's Unlikely Gov. Christie Will Tap Him For Senate Seat, But He'd Consider It .
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 04 2013 00:26 GMT
#5527
In one brief and repugnant interview, the GOP's chief congressional investigator into Internal Revenue Service abuses cherry-picked evidence, overstated his case, and violated the sacred American principle of presumed innocence.

If that was not enough, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., called White House press secretary Jay Carney a "paid liar," and couldn't explain why. "We're getting to proving it," he said.

Meet the best friend of a controversy-plagued Democratic White House: a demagogic Republican.

In a reminder of how the GOP overreached during the Clinton-era sex scandal, Issa doesn't seem capable of letting damning facts speak for themselves.

Interviewed by a smartly skeptical Candy Crowley on CNN's State of the Union, the California Republican found himself on the defensive from the start.

"Congressional investigators tell CNN the [congressional] report finds the IRS spent over $50 million on 225 employee conferences over a two-year period," Crowley said, adding that the Obama administration no longer allows spending on such training.

"So what's the hearing about?" she said. "Why are you having it?"

Issa shifted focus to the IRS's admission that its agents targeted conservative groups for review of their tax-exempt status. "Well, first of all, we're looking at the IRS for how big the problem is," he replied. "As you know as late as last week the administration is still trying to say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati when in fact the indication is they were directly being ordered from Washington."

Note what Issa is doing. He does it all the time--start an unsubstantiated allegation with an absolute declaration ("when in fact") and follow it with weasel words ("the indication is"). This smear-and-caveat technique allows him to ruin reputations without being called a liar.

Issa is a demagogue with plausible deniability.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22609 Posts
June 04 2013 00:45 GMT
#5528
On June 04 2013 09:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
In one brief and repugnant interview, the GOP's chief congressional investigator into Internal Revenue Service abuses cherry-picked evidence, overstated his case, and violated the sacred American principle of presumed innocence.

If that was not enough, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., called White House press secretary Jay Carney a "paid liar," and couldn't explain why. "We're getting to proving it," he said.

Meet the best friend of a controversy-plagued Democratic White House: a demagogic Republican.

In a reminder of how the GOP overreached during the Clinton-era sex scandal, Issa doesn't seem capable of letting damning facts speak for themselves.

Interviewed by a smartly skeptical Candy Crowley on CNN's State of the Union, the California Republican found himself on the defensive from the start.

"Congressional investigators tell CNN the [congressional] report finds the IRS spent over $50 million on 225 employee conferences over a two-year period," Crowley said, adding that the Obama administration no longer allows spending on such training.

"So what's the hearing about?" she said. "Why are you having it?"

Issa shifted focus to the IRS's admission that its agents targeted conservative groups for review of their tax-exempt status. "Well, first of all, we're looking at the IRS for how big the problem is," he replied. "As you know as late as last week the administration is still trying to say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati when in fact the indication is they were directly being ordered from Washington."

Note what Issa is doing. He does it all the time--start an unsubstantiated allegation with an absolute declaration ("when in fact") and follow it with weasel words ("the indication is"). This smear-and-caveat technique allows him to ruin reputations without being called a liar.

Issa is a demagogue with plausible deniability.


Source


That reads like something utterly biased and petty. what exactly is the point?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
June 04 2013 00:48 GMT
#5529
On June 04 2013 09:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In one brief and repugnant interview, the GOP's chief congressional investigator into Internal Revenue Service abuses cherry-picked evidence, overstated his case, and violated the sacred American principle of presumed innocence.

If that was not enough, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., called White House press secretary Jay Carney a "paid liar," and couldn't explain why. "We're getting to proving it," he said.

Meet the best friend of a controversy-plagued Democratic White House: a demagogic Republican.

In a reminder of how the GOP overreached during the Clinton-era sex scandal, Issa doesn't seem capable of letting damning facts speak for themselves.

Interviewed by a smartly skeptical Candy Crowley on CNN's State of the Union, the California Republican found himself on the defensive from the start.

"Congressional investigators tell CNN the [congressional] report finds the IRS spent over $50 million on 225 employee conferences over a two-year period," Crowley said, adding that the Obama administration no longer allows spending on such training.

"So what's the hearing about?" she said. "Why are you having it?"

Issa shifted focus to the IRS's admission that its agents targeted conservative groups for review of their tax-exempt status. "Well, first of all, we're looking at the IRS for how big the problem is," he replied. "As you know as late as last week the administration is still trying to say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati when in fact the indication is they were directly being ordered from Washington."

Note what Issa is doing. He does it all the time--start an unsubstantiated allegation with an absolute declaration ("when in fact") and follow it with weasel words ("the indication is"). This smear-and-caveat technique allows him to ruin reputations without being called a liar.

Issa is a demagogue with plausible deniability.


Source


That reads like something utterly biased and petty. what exactly is the point?


Pretty funny when the McCarthyism was in the IRS lol, and I don't even like Issa one bit.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
June 04 2013 00:55 GMT
#5530
On June 04 2013 09:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 09:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In one brief and repugnant interview, the GOP's chief congressional investigator into Internal Revenue Service abuses cherry-picked evidence, overstated his case, and violated the sacred American principle of presumed innocence.

If that was not enough, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., called White House press secretary Jay Carney a "paid liar," and couldn't explain why. "We're getting to proving it," he said.

Meet the best friend of a controversy-plagued Democratic White House: a demagogic Republican.

In a reminder of how the GOP overreached during the Clinton-era sex scandal, Issa doesn't seem capable of letting damning facts speak for themselves.

Interviewed by a smartly skeptical Candy Crowley on CNN's State of the Union, the California Republican found himself on the defensive from the start.

"Congressional investigators tell CNN the [congressional] report finds the IRS spent over $50 million on 225 employee conferences over a two-year period," Crowley said, adding that the Obama administration no longer allows spending on such training.

"So what's the hearing about?" she said. "Why are you having it?"

Issa shifted focus to the IRS's admission that its agents targeted conservative groups for review of their tax-exempt status. "Well, first of all, we're looking at the IRS for how big the problem is," he replied. "As you know as late as last week the administration is still trying to say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati when in fact the indication is they were directly being ordered from Washington."

Note what Issa is doing. He does it all the time--start an unsubstantiated allegation with an absolute declaration ("when in fact") and follow it with weasel words ("the indication is"). This smear-and-caveat technique allows him to ruin reputations without being called a liar.

Issa is a demagogue with plausible deniability.


Source


That reads like something utterly biased and petty. what exactly is the point?

That the rabid firebrand attack dog that the gop chose to lead the investigation to lengthen its shelf time is doing his job. It references the Clinton era "overreach" that got George Bush elected to the white house.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 04 2013 01:22 GMT
#5531
From Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco:

Fiscal Headwinds: Is the Other Shoe About to Drop?

Federal fiscal policy during the recession was abnormally expansionary by historical standards. However, over the past 2½ years it has become unusually contractionary as a result of several deficit reduction measures passed by Congress. During the next three years, we estimate that federal budgetary policy could restrain economic growth by as much as 1 percentage point annually beyond the normal fiscal drag that occurs during recoveries. ...

Graphs:
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Surprisingly, despite all the attention federal spending cuts and sequestration have received, our calculations suggest they are not the main contributors to this projected drag. The excess fiscal drag on the horizon comes almost entirely from rising taxes. ...

Link

Emphasis mine and I'll parrot the 'surprisingly' sentiment as I am truly surprised.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 04 2013 03:48 GMT
#5532
On June 04 2013 10:22 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
From Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco:

Show nested quote +
Fiscal Headwinds: Is the Other Shoe About to Drop?

Federal fiscal policy during the recession was abnormally expansionary by historical standards. However, over the past 2½ years it has become unusually contractionary as a result of several deficit reduction measures passed by Congress. During the next three years, we estimate that federal budgetary policy could restrain economic growth by as much as 1 percentage point annually beyond the normal fiscal drag that occurs during recoveries. ...

Graphs:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]


Surprisingly, despite all the attention federal spending cuts and sequestration have received, our calculations suggest they are not the main contributors to this projected drag. The excess fiscal drag on the horizon comes almost entirely from rising taxes. ...

Link

Emphasis mine and I'll parrot the 'surprisingly' sentiment as I am truly surprised.

If I would pin it on tax increases, it would be the end of the payroll tax cuts. We have good recent data from the stimulus that tells us the modifiers on spending and taxes, and we saw the biggest modifiers on the parts that pertained to lower and middle class people.

I think they're understating (or underestimating) the impact of the fiscal contraction though. Contracts are going to be drawn down over time and workers laid off the same way. More or less, what happened with government employees post recession. I'm not at the Fed though, so I doubt I can legitimately criticize their report.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 04 2013 03:52 GMT
#5533
States that refuse to expand Medicaid under President Barack Obama's health care reform law not only will deny health coverage to poor residents and lose access to a huge influx of federal dollars, they also will see increased spending on uninsured people's unpaid medical bills, according to a new report by the Rand Corp., a consulting firm.

The Rand Corp. analyzed 14 states with governors who oppose the Medicaid expansion. It found their actions will deprive 3.6 million people of health coverage under Obamacare, forgo $8.4 billion in federal funding, and cost them $1 billion for programs that partially compensate medical providers who care for the indigent, according to the report published in the journal "Health Affairs." Since nearly half of states may not undertake the Medicaid expansion next year, those figures could be even higher. Twenty-two states and the District of Columbia plan to broaden Medicaid in 2014, according to the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation.

Obama and congressional Democrats intended the health care reform law to target financial assistance to those with the lowest incomes by offering Medicaid coverage to people who earn just over the federal poverty level and tax credits to other low- and middle-income people to subsidize the purchase of private health insurance. When the Supreme Court upheld the law last year, it also ruled that states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion, which will dull the impact of Obamacare on the poorest uninsured.

"State policymakers should be aware that if they do not expand Medicaid, fewer people will have health insurance, and state and local governments will have to bear higher costs for uncompensated care," Carter Price and Christine Eibner of the Rand Corp. write. "We estimated states' costs for expansion to be less than the reduction in their costs for uncompensated care."

If all states were to expand Medicaid under the health care reform law, 16.2 million poor people would gain access to the program, bringing total enrollment to 62.9 million by 2016, according to the Rand Corp. analysis. Based on the 14 anti-expansion states included in the report, 4.4 million million fewer than that would join Medicaid. A portion of those people would obtain subsidized private health insurance under Obamacare, leaving a total of 3.6 million more uninsured than if all states were to expand Medicaid.

The Rand Corp. based its analysis on the assumption that Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Wisconsin wouldn't expand Medicaid. The outcome of the Medicaid debate remains uncertain in several states, however. Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad (R) and state lawmakers struck a deal on the expansion last month, for example, and states like Florida appear all but certain to reject the expansion for next year.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 04 2013 04:42 GMT
#5534
On June 04 2013 12:48 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 10:22 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
From Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco:

Fiscal Headwinds: Is the Other Shoe About to Drop?

Federal fiscal policy during the recession was abnormally expansionary by historical standards. However, over the past 2½ years it has become unusually contractionary as a result of several deficit reduction measures passed by Congress. During the next three years, we estimate that federal budgetary policy could restrain economic growth by as much as 1 percentage point annually beyond the normal fiscal drag that occurs during recoveries. ...

Graphs:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]


Surprisingly, despite all the attention federal spending cuts and sequestration have received, our calculations suggest they are not the main contributors to this projected drag. The excess fiscal drag on the horizon comes almost entirely from rising taxes. ...

Link

Emphasis mine and I'll parrot the 'surprisingly' sentiment as I am truly surprised.

If I would pin it on tax increases, it would be the end of the payroll tax cuts. We have good recent data from the stimulus that tells us the modifiers on spending and taxes, and we saw the biggest modifiers on the parts that pertained to lower and middle class people.

I think they're understating (or underestimating) the impact of the fiscal contraction though. Contracts are going to be drawn down over time and workers laid off the same way. More or less, what happened with government employees post recession. I'm not at the Fed though, so I doubt I can legitimately criticize their report.

I would think that the payroll tax cut expiration would move revenue closer to the historic norm, but not push revenues above (or at most to the pre-recession level). But that's just my intuition talking.

As for spending they aren't counting interest payments, so that could be throwing off your expectations. I'm sure it explains some of my own surprise at least.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 04 2013 19:26 GMT
#5535
Saying that an elected senator is needed quickly, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) on Tuesday called for a special election in October to fill the seat of Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D), who died on Monday.

Christie announced that a special primary election will be held on Aug. 13 with an Oct. 16 general election to fill the seat, ending a debate over conflicting state laws and the possibility that the Senate election would be the same day as the November 2013 election. A nonpartisan analysis of the special election, puts the cost for the special primary and general election at almost $24 million.

“This is about guaranteeing the people of New Jersey a choice and a voice in Washington," Christie said.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 19:31:29
June 04 2013 19:30 GMT
#5536
A good move on Christie's part, as he wants to do his best to appear as neutral as possible in pursuit of future election opportunities.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 04 2013 22:14 GMT
#5537
On June 04 2013 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 12:48 aksfjh wrote:
On June 04 2013 10:22 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
From Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco:

Fiscal Headwinds: Is the Other Shoe About to Drop?

Federal fiscal policy during the recession was abnormally expansionary by historical standards. However, over the past 2½ years it has become unusually contractionary as a result of several deficit reduction measures passed by Congress. During the next three years, we estimate that federal budgetary policy could restrain economic growth by as much as 1 percentage point annually beyond the normal fiscal drag that occurs during recoveries. ...

Graphs:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]


Surprisingly, despite all the attention federal spending cuts and sequestration have received, our calculations suggest they are not the main contributors to this projected drag. The excess fiscal drag on the horizon comes almost entirely from rising taxes. ...

Link

Emphasis mine and I'll parrot the 'surprisingly' sentiment as I am truly surprised.

If I would pin it on tax increases, it would be the end of the payroll tax cuts. We have good recent data from the stimulus that tells us the modifiers on spending and taxes, and we saw the biggest modifiers on the parts that pertained to lower and middle class people.

I think they're understating (or underestimating) the impact of the fiscal contraction though. Contracts are going to be drawn down over time and workers laid off the same way. More or less, what happened with government employees post recession. I'm not at the Fed though, so I doubt I can legitimately criticize their report.

I would think that the payroll tax cut expiration would move revenue closer to the historic norm, but not push revenues above (or at most to the pre-recession level). But that's just my intuition talking.

As for spending they aren't counting interest payments, so that could be throwing off your expectations. I'm sure it explains some of my own surprise at least.

Relating this crisis to the "norm" is the first move towards misunderstanding this crisis. By this point in most crises, we were already back to full employment (or close to it), and the reliance on automatic stabilizers wasn't nearly as high. Hell, even when looking at the Fed graphs, you can see how the end of the Great Recession differs from the norm, with tail end lagging after contraction has "ended."

One part that confuses me further is their use of a fiscal multiplier of 1 and lumping the effects of top-end taxes with middle and lower class taxes. Here is an excerpt (the conclusion) to a study by one of the same guys:

What does this literature tell policymakers and others trying to assess the impact of fiscal policy changes? It is an inconvenient reality that this literature provides an enormous range of multiplier estimates, ranging from –1 to 3. However, this range is not so much a reflection of disagreement over an underlying parameter as it is a reflection of one of the key lessons of this research—that there is no single multiplier that can be applied mechanically to all situations. The impact depends on the type of fiscal policy changes in question and the environment in which they are implemented. The effects of government investment are potentially greater than those of other types of government spending. And the effects from transfers to people without much wealth or ability to borrow are probably higher than from transfers to others. The impact depends on how policy changes affect expectations of future government spending and taxes. It also depends on how quickly the changes are implemented and whether they were anticipated before they were authorized. Moreover, the impact varies depending on whether monetary policy counteracts or complements fiscal policy. Finally, it depends on the state of the business cycle. Effects are more positive during recessions. An important lesson from the research is that it’s essential to clearly understand the context in which fiscal policy is operating, that is, the factors that may cause economic effects and the size of the multiplier to vary.

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By this own study, they should be able to at least loosely decouple the effects of the different tax increases and the fiscal drag created, but instead lump everything together. This lends itself to a very dangerous assumption about taxes vs. spending.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 19:59:20
June 05 2013 19:58 GMT
#5538
Could have been worse.

In a speech made to a gathering of Texas Republicans last month, tea party activist Ken Emanuelson claimed that the GOP does not want black people to vote unless they do so for Republican candidates, according to the Houston Chronicle.

“I’m going to be real honest with you, the Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they’re going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats,” Emanuelson said at a May 20 "Battlefield Dallas" event in Dallas.

Emanuelson later backtracked in a note posted to his Facebook page, claiming he "misspoke."

"What I meant, and should have said, is that it is not, in my personal opinion, in the interests of the Republican Party to spend its own time and energy working to generally increase the number of Democratic voters at the polls, and at this point in time, nine of every ten African American voters cast their votes for the Democratic Party," he wrote on Tuesday.

Rep. Marc Veasey, a Democratic freshman whose district includes parts of Dallas County, responded to Emanuelson's comment in an email sent today to Battleground Texas supporters.

“Together, we can turn this cowardly attack into the catalyst that makes our movement stronger,” Veasey said, according to the Chronicle. “Battlefield Dallas and its tea party ilk have shown their true colors and now it’s time to hold them accountable.”


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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 05 2013 21:55 GMT
#5539
On June 06 2013 04:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Could have been worse.

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In a speech made to a gathering of Texas Republicans last month, tea party activist Ken Emanuelson claimed that the GOP does not want black people to vote unless they do so for Republican candidates, according to the Houston Chronicle.

“I’m going to be real honest with you, the Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they’re going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats,” Emanuelson said at a May 20 "Battlefield Dallas" event in Dallas.

Emanuelson later backtracked in a note posted to his Facebook page, claiming he "misspoke."

"What I meant, and should have said, is that it is not, in my personal opinion, in the interests of the Republican Party to spend its own time and energy working to generally increase the number of Democratic voters at the polls, and at this point in time, nine of every ten African American voters cast their votes for the Democratic Party," he wrote on Tuesday.

Rep. Marc Veasey, a Democratic freshman whose district includes parts of Dallas County, responded to Emanuelson's comment in an email sent today to Battleground Texas supporters.

“Together, we can turn this cowardly attack into the catalyst that makes our movement stronger,” Veasey said, according to the Chronicle. “Battlefield Dallas and its tea party ilk have shown their true colors and now it’s time to hold them accountable.”


Source

Yea, I guess he could have said that Republicans just don't want blacks in the party. That would have been worse...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 05 2013 22:13 GMT
#5540
WASHINGTON -- After Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) gave a pitch on Wednesday for House Republicans to support the Senate "gang of eight" immigration reform efforts, conservatives said they appreciate his attempt to strengthen the bill, but ultimately don't expect to support the upper chamber's legislation.

"We have enough House members at 435, so we really don't need another one," Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quipped when asked about Rubio's impact on the House's own immigration legislation.

Rubio spoke about legislative plans during a meeting of the House Republican Study Committee, along with fellow gang of eight member Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), immigration reform opponent Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and other lawmakers.

The Florida senator told the House Republicans, as he has said before, that the Senate bill he helped draft needs more border security provisions in order to pass. He said Monday he would vote against the bill if it doesn't toughen its border measures, which are tied to a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Rubio's argument has been that without such measures, the bill would fail anyway. But he told reporters after the House meeting that he has no plans to abandon the effort.

"I can tell you, as the bill is currently structured it isn't going to pass in the House," he said.

Flake said he agreed the bill should be strengthened. But when asked whether he, like Rubio, would vote against his bill without amendments, he turned and walked away.

"I don't want to address it," he said.


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