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Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
May 27 2013 08:52 GMT
#5201
On May 27 2013 09:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Arizona's Republican Gov. Jan Brewer is stepping up her pressure on the GOP-led legislature to expand Medicaid by declaring a moratorium on legislating until they give in.

Brewer vetoed five unrelated bills on Thursday, according to the Arizona Republic, and threatened to keep blocking legislation until Republicans expand Medicaid to cover thousands of Arizonans, which Obamacare permits at minimal cost to the state.

"I warned that I would not sign additional measures into law until we see resolution of the two most pressing issues facing us: adoption of a fiscal 2014 state budget and plan for Medicaid," Brewer wrote in a statement explaining her decision. "It is disappointing I must demonstrate the moratorium was not an idle threat."

Republicans in state legislatures are facing significant pressure from their right flank to reject the expansion, a move that conservative activists see as their last line of defense against Obamacare. Arizona state House Republicans who support Brewer's Medicaid expansion plan are reporting growing threats of retribution, according to the Republic.

Numerous Republican governors in red states have rejected the expansion. Others, mostly in blue or swing states, have accepted it, facing pressure from not only constituents but hospitals and industry groups who want the infusion of federal health care money into the states.


Source

It says that some other states have accepted it and some have rejected it, so what is the status in Arizona? Has it not been decided yet? In her quote she is just looking for a resolution, she is not saying that they must expand Medicaid, so I got the impression she is trying to force them to make a decision, not to force them to accept it. If they have rejected it (or do reject it) then she should not be vetoing unrelated bills to get her way, but they should not indefinitely postpone making a decision.

Not making a decision is akin to rejecting it but avoiding any negative political fallout from rejecting it. (The media is unlikely to make a story about them not making a decision, but will make a story if they reject it (or if they accept it)).

However, if they already rejected it then she's being childish.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14146 Posts
May 27 2013 18:09 GMT
#5202
There was a ton of friction for a bit about obamacare being accepted in Minnesota for a bit. the republicans had control of congress and were seriously discussing opposing it on the grounds of the medical device tax thats really going to hit this state hard. Minnesota is chiefly responsible for the development of the pacemaker and a goodly majority of medical devices and technology in the world.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 28 2013 00:22 GMT
#5203
A pair of Democratic congressmen is pushing an amendment that would place an affirmative right to vote in the U.S. Constitution. According to Rep. Mark Pocan (D-WI), who is sponsoring the legislation along with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the amendment would protect voters from what he described as a “systematic” push to “restrict voting access” through voter ID laws, shorter early voting deadlines, and other measures that are being proposed in many states.

“Most people believe that there already is something in the Constitution that gives people the right to vote, but unfortunately … there is no affirmative right to vote in the Constitution. We have a number of amendments that protect against discrimination in voting, but we don’t have an affirmative right,” Pocan told TPM last week. “Especially in an era … you know, in the last decade especially we’ve just seen a number of these measures to restrict access to voting rights in so many states. … There’s just so many of these that are out there, that it shows the real need that we have.”

The brief amendment would stipulate that “every citizen of the United States, who is of legal voting age, shall have the fundamental right to vote in any public election held in the jurisdiction in which the citizen resides.” It would also give Congress “the power to enforce and implement this article by appropriate legislation.”

After investigating the issue, Pocan said he and Ellison decided this type of amendment was the best way to combat measures to restrict voting access.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14146 Posts
May 28 2013 00:45 GMT
#5204
Fun fact Keith ellison is a muslum.

So minnesota sends bachmann and the only islamic representative.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 20:38:05
May 28 2013 20:37 GMT
#5205
House Speaker John Boehner, who by title and position should be the second most powerful person in Washington, sure doesn’t seem or sound like it.

He has little ability to work his will with fellow House Republicans. He has quit for good his solo efforts to craft a grand bargain on taxes and spending. And he hasn’t bothered to initiate a substantive conversation with President Barack Obama in this calendar year.

All of this recently prompted Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, herself a former speaker, to declare on MSNBC that if Boehner were a woman, he would be known as the weakest speaker in U.S. history.

So is Boehner weak?

“You’re missing my style, all right?” Boehner told us in an interview. “I don’t need to be out there beating the drum every day. My job as the leader is to build my team, encourage my members, help provide leadership to my members and committee chairs and let the institution work.

“It doesn’t need the heavy hand of the speaker all over everything.”

His style, in short, is not lean in. Or lean on. It’s lean back — and wait.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22434 Posts
May 28 2013 21:05 GMT
#5206
From what I've seen I'm pretty sure its not his "style" but the fact that the hard line side of his party has decided to ignore him.
Boehner seems willing to compromise where needed and has offered such ideas at times but he cant follow through with it because part of the Republican party refuses to compromise.

Its not that he refuses to act. He is unable to.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
May 28 2013 21:15 GMT
#5207
On May 29 2013 06:05 Gorsameth wrote:
From what I've seen I'm pretty sure its not his "style" but the fact that the hard line side of his party has decided to ignore him.
Boehner seems willing to compromise where needed and has offered such ideas at times but he cant follow through with it because part of the Republican party refuses to compromise.

Its not that he refuses to act. He is unable to.


More like the fact that he caved to Barack Obama about 4-5 times in a row and got jack for it, so his rank-and-file have decided he's a pantywaist who can't get anything in negotiations. He has been sidelined because of his ineptness at dealing with the president.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Rebel_lion
Profile Joined January 2009
United States271 Posts
May 28 2013 21:39 GMT
#5208
So were sidelining reps for incompetence now. Nothing will ever get done. I think nance is right. IF he were female (unsaid but implied also democrat) his ouster would be very high profile.

I love the tactic of "taking the ball and going home" thats quality government right there.
Something witty here....
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 28 2013 21:46 GMT
#5209
It is what it is. We have 1/3 of the House unwilling to do shit unless it aligns with their political belief of government = bad. Anything that doesn't maim government programs or reduce taxes (without increasing the deficit) won't get their support. Boehner is essentially the Speaker of the House for the smallest minority right now, "moderate" Republicans (if you can even call them that any more).
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 00:05:10
May 28 2013 23:58 GMT
#5210
Tax policy and correlation on top income brackets share of income.

[image loading]
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 29 2013 00:44 GMT
#5211
On May 29 2013 08:58 aksfjh wrote:
Tax policy and correlation on top income brackets share of income.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

You think the marginal rate is that powerful a factor?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 00:52:16
May 29 2013 00:51 GMT
#5212
I'm very disappointed with you stealth. You usually post good news articles but what you just posted is nothing more then a tabloid peice from a tabloid website with the same journalistic value of a tmz article.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 29 2013 02:29 GMT
#5213
On May 29 2013 09:51 Sermokala wrote:
I'm very disappointed with you stealth. You usually post good news articles but what you just posted is nothing more then a tabloid peice from a tabloid website with the same journalistic value of a tmz article.


*slap*

WASHINGTON -- Republican senators are fuming about President Barack Obama's attempt to fill empty seats on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, charging him with "court-packing" and alleging that his push to confirm nominees is all politics.

But not only is Obama not "court-packing" -- a term describing an attempt to add judges to a court with the goal of shifting the balance, not filling existing vacancies -- but Republicans' efforts to prevent Obama from appointing judges amount to their own attempt to tip the scales in their favor. What's more, some of the GOP senators trying to prevent his nominees from advancing previously voted to fill the court when there was a Republican in the White House.

As it stands, the powerful D.C. Circuit has 11 seats, three of which are vacant. Obama has signaled plans to put forward nominees for all three open slots as soon as this week. But Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and other Republicans are pushing legislation that would eliminate those seats and keep the court where it is: with eight judges, four of whom were appointed by Democrats and four of whom were appointed by Republicans.

Grassley has argued that the court simply doesn't need to have three more judges because it has a lighter workload than other circuit courts -- a stance that Democrats say overlooks the fact that the court is second in stature only to the Supreme Court and takes on particularly complex cases. But Grassley has also suggested that Obama is trying to pack the court.


Source


Opponents of President Barack Obama’s health-care law are gearing up for a new round of attacks, this time targeting the legislation’s insurance exchanges that would expand coverage to millions of Americans.

Heritage Action for America, the advocacy arm of the Heritage Foundation, and the Tea Party-aligned group FreedomWorks will push Congress to cut off funding for the exchanges in the debate later this year over raising the debt ceiling, the Washington-based groups said. The chairman of the advocacy group Restore America’s Voice, Ken Hoagland, said he plans to warn people through advertising about the “dysfunctional” exchanges.


While opposition to the health-care program is nothing new, the tactics are changing. Rather than focusing on repealing the law in Congress and the courts, two avenues that have failed so far, the groups are aiming to prevent the cornerstone of the legislation, the insurance exchanges, from succeeding. Their goal is to limit enrollments, drive up costs, and make it easier to roll back all or part of the law later.

“If you’re committed to making sure Obamacare doesn’t go into effect, you have to focus on the expansion and on the exchanges,” said Dan Holler, a spokesman for Heritage Action. “Once you have people under a program, it’s really hard to change that system no matter how badly it needs change.”

Democratic supporters of the health-care law said critics are afraid that the measure will be a success and therefore are out to prevent it.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 29 2013 02:54 GMT
#5214
High-End Health Plans Scale Back to Avoid ‘Cadillac Tax’

Say goodbye to that $500 deductible insurance plan and the $20 co-payment for a doctor's office visit. They are likely to become luxuries of the past. ...

While most of the attention on the Obama administration's health care law has been on providing coverage to tens of millions of uninsured Americans by 2014, workers with employer-paid health insurance are also beginning to feel the effects. Companies hoping to avoid the tax are beginning to scale back the more generous health benefits they have traditionally offered and to look harder for ways to bring down the overall cost of care.

In a way, the changes are right in line with the administration's plan: To encourage employers to move away from plans that insulate workers from the cost of care and often lead to excessive procedures and tests, and galvanize employers to try to control ever-increasing medical costs. But the tax remains one of the law's most controversial provisions.

Bradley Herring, a health economist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, suggested the result would be more widely felt than many people realize. "The reality is it is going to hit more and more people over time, at least as currently written in law, " he said. Mr. Herring estimated that as many as 75 percent of plans could be affected by the tax over the next decade — unless employers manage to significantly rein in their costs.

The changes can be significant for employees. The hospital where Abbey Bruce, a nursing assistant in Olympia, Wash., worked, for example, stopped offering the traditional plan that she and her husband, Casey, who has cystic fibrosis, had chosen.

Starting this year, they have a combined deductible of $2,300, compared with just $500 before. And while she was eligible for a $1,400 hospital contribution to a savings account linked to the plan, the couple is now responsible for $6,600 a year in medical expenses, in contrast to a $3,000 limit on medical bills and $2,000 limit on pharmacy costs last year. She has had to drop out of school and take on additional jobs to pay for her husband's medicine. ...

Link
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14146 Posts
May 29 2013 02:58 GMT
#5215
The guy is trying to be the government leader of a group of people who hate the government and the evil leaders that it produces.

and people are expecting him to flourish with that?

Also both parties block judges from getting into the court its a huge problem and shouldn't be handled by politics anymore with the digital age now on us. It should be equaly split between the parties. Its a huge systematic problem that only gets worse with every new president.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
May 29 2013 04:08 GMT
#5216

Here in Virginia we've got off-year elections.

Which means we have our Governor and state House & Senate races this November. I think us and New Jersey, and 1-2 others do it that way.

Anyhow, If anyone cares.. knowing how TL leans left... probably the best site out there for the Virginia races if you want to dig deeper into them than you see on the national news is :

http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/

I can't begin to explain how crazy our Governor and Lt. Governor races will be.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 29 2013 08:50 GMT
#5217
On May 29 2013 09:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 08:58 aksfjh wrote:
Tax policy and correlation on top income brackets share of income.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

You think the marginal rate is that powerful a factor?

That's some pretty solid correlation. Obviously other factors are involved, but it looks like a key player.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
May 29 2013 10:27 GMT
#5218
Hee hee, I love you Stealth <3 <3 <3
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 29 2013 10:48 GMT
#5219
On May 29 2013 11:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 09:51 Sermokala wrote:
I'm very disappointed with you stealth. You usually post good news articles but what you just posted is nothing more then a tabloid peice from a tabloid website with the same journalistic value of a tmz article.


*slap*

Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON -- Republican senators are fuming about President Barack Obama's attempt to fill empty seats on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, charging him with "court-packing" and alleging that his push to confirm nominees is all politics.

But not only is Obama not "court-packing" -- a term describing an attempt to add judges to a court with the goal of shifting the balance, not filling existing vacancies -- but Republicans' efforts to prevent Obama from appointing judges amount to their own attempt to tip the scales in their favor. What's more, some of the GOP senators trying to prevent his nominees from advancing previously voted to fill the court when there was a Republican in the White House.

As it stands, the powerful D.C. Circuit has 11 seats, three of which are vacant. Obama has signaled plans to put forward nominees for all three open slots as soon as this week. But Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and other Republicans are pushing legislation that would eliminate those seats and keep the court where it is: with eight judges, four of whom were appointed by Democrats and four of whom were appointed by Republicans.

Grassley has argued that the court simply doesn't need to have three more judges because it has a lighter workload than other circuit courts -- a stance that Democrats say overlooks the fact that the court is second in stature only to the Supreme Court and takes on particularly complex cases. But Grassley has also suggested that Obama is trying to pack the court.


Source


Show nested quote +
Opponents of President Barack Obama’s health-care law are gearing up for a new round of attacks, this time targeting the legislation’s insurance exchanges that would expand coverage to millions of Americans.

Heritage Action for America, the advocacy arm of the Heritage Foundation, and the Tea Party-aligned group FreedomWorks will push Congress to cut off funding for the exchanges in the debate later this year over raising the debt ceiling, the Washington-based groups said. The chairman of the advocacy group Restore America’s Voice, Ken Hoagland, said he plans to warn people through advertising about the “dysfunctional” exchanges.


While opposition to the health-care program is nothing new, the tactics are changing. Rather than focusing on repealing the law in Congress and the courts, two avenues that have failed so far, the groups are aiming to prevent the cornerstone of the legislation, the insurance exchanges, from succeeding. Their goal is to limit enrollments, drive up costs, and make it easier to roll back all or part of the law later.

“If you’re committed to making sure Obamacare doesn’t go into effect, you have to focus on the expansion and on the exchanges,” said Dan Holler, a spokesman for Heritage Action. “Once you have people under a program, it’s really hard to change that system no matter how badly it needs change.”

Democratic supporters of the health-care law said critics are afraid that the measure will be a success and therefore are out to prevent it.


Source

I hate this circular logic bullshit. "We need to gut the program so it becomes a failure, otherwise we won't be able to change the program later even though it will be a failure!" I don't understand why people don't see right through this shit and see it as it is. It's right there, in full context, a statement of political tactics to skewer a program to GUARANTEE ITS FAILURE.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
May 29 2013 11:09 GMT
#5220
On May 29 2013 17:50 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 09:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 29 2013 08:58 aksfjh wrote:
Tax policy and correlation on top income brackets share of income.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

You think the marginal rate is that powerful a factor?

That's some pretty solid correlation. Obviously other factors are involved, but it looks like a key player.

Correlation is not causation, how do you know that some other factor is not causing changes to both of the attributes you displayed ?

For example "political climate" can cause tax rates to go down and at the same time influence passing/revoking of other laws that make it possible for rich to get more wealthy.

I am not saying you are wrong and I am far from saying that my scenario is true (I am rather sure it is not), but I would be more cautious about calling causation. I think you would need to at least analyze how much did they save on taxes and analyze how much money could have been gained by investing that saved money. Which would be pretty hard to do without rather sophisticated model. But looking at the graph, the correlation seems to be near immediate, so maybe it would be enough to analyze how much they saved on lower tax rates and if it explains majority of the wealth gain.
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