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On September 29 2015 05:32 zlefin wrote: Republicans really need to find someone who can present an actual detailed conservative plan. Like if they wanna ditch obamacare they should come up with an actual comprehensive plan to deal with the underlying issues. It'd be pretty hard to come up with one myself, since I'm not a conservative, and don't have a very good sense of what their objectives and measures for them would be.
Good luck, we've asked from here to congress for years, 50+ votes later and I think we've concluded there simply isn't a "Conservative" replacement for the ACA that actually keeps the parts people like and costs less.
Yeah, there seems to be this big problem where what conservatives actually want is for the rich people who bribe them to not have to pay for healthcare for poorer people. However, it turns out that most people actually like having healthcare. So the plan is to just repeal obamacare and then not do anything at all to replace it for as long as humanly possible.
On September 29 2015 07:22 zlefin wrote: Looking at that graphical table, I'd like to see a table for the same year which has what % of total income each of those groups has.
Not sure how trustworthy this is, but I found something similar to what you wanted?
Wolfstan I reread your brackets and I think that they would result in a lower overall tax revenue but an increased share of the burden on the rich. You're dramatically reducing the tax paid on income below 200k, which is the vast majority of all income for 99% of Americans, while keeping taxes the same on income over 200k, an area dominated by the 1%. You've actually succeeded in making it more lopsided with a heavier share of the collective burden on the 1% than it is already, despite having the opposite intention. The issue is that they just have so much money that they'll always be paying most of the tax. Even with a flat tax system they'll still be massively over represented because they have all the money.
On September 29 2015 05:32 zlefin wrote: Republicans really need to find someone who can present an actual detailed conservative plan. Like if they wanna ditch obamacare they should come up with an actual comprehensive plan to deal with the underlying issues. It'd be pretty hard to come up with one myself, since I'm not a conservative, and don't have a very good sense of what their objectives and measures for them would be.
Good luck, we've asked from here to congress for years, 50+ votes later and I think we've concluded there simply isn't a "Conservative" replacement for the ACA that actually keeps the parts people like and costs less.
Yeah, there seems to be this big problem where what conservatives actually want is for the rich people who bribe them to not have to pay for healthcare for poorer people. However, it turns out that most people actually like having healthcare. So the plan is to just repeal obamacare and then not do anything at all to replace it for as long as humanly possible.
What is the deal anyway. All I hear from those who oppose Obamacare is extremely hyperbolic rhetoric about why A) No one likes it and B) Its the worst system ever.
I never hear any actual specific reasons why its bad nor any type of poll numbers to suggest most people don't like it. I think if they really want to convince people they aren't just throwing a hissy fit they should actually show the people why its not working and make a system and show why it would be better. If they did these things they might even be able to convince democratic voters (since using their assertion that its a bad system they should be dissatisfied as well) to put pressure on their reps to actually get some steam going towards moving in a different direction.
a quirk that canadians may not know about the u.s. tax system is that it is actually a combination of federal and states, with states doing a lot of the taxing at a level highly regressive relative to the federal scale.
maybe canada is like this too and i just dont know about it
On September 29 2015 07:47 oneofthem wrote: a quirk that canadians may not know about the u.s. tax system is that it is actually a combination of federal and states, with states doing a lot of the taxing at a level highly regressive relative to the federal scale.
maybe canada is like this too and i just dont know about it
The Canadian federal government does most income tax stuff but there are lots of province based generic consumption taxes, and stuff like fuel and pygovian taxes often differ at the provincial level too
By now, you surely know that Donald Trump is the least-liked Republican candidate for president. How could he not be, after months and months of coverage of how disliked he is? A new Fox News survey reveals that, thanks to opposition from Democrats, Trump is indeed viewed less favorably than any other candidate.
But if you look only at Republican respondents, that changes: Republicans view Jeb Bush even worse.
Among all voters, Trump is at negative-25 -- that is, he is viewed 25 points more unfavorably than favorably. Bush is at -21. Among Republicans? Bush gets lower marks than anyone, at plus-1. Even Chris Christie is at +4. The difference is inside the margin of error, but this is clearly not where Bush would like to be.
Part of that is thanks to Bush's slide in favorability over time. His drop looks a lot like that of another person with a famous last name: Hillary Clinton. Clinton was doing better than Bush when Fox polled in March and May, and is still doing better than him now; but for all of the hand-wringing over Clinton's trustworthiness, Bush has fared just as badly.
By now, you surely know that Donald Trump is the least-liked Republican candidate for president. How could he not be, after months and months of coverage of how disliked he is? A new Fox News survey reveals that, thanks to opposition from Democrats, Trump is indeed viewed less favorably than any other candidate.
But if you look only at Republican respondents, that changes: Republicans view Jeb Bush even worse.
Among all voters, Trump is at negative-25 -- that is, he is viewed 25 points more unfavorably than favorably. Bush is at -21. Among Republicans? Bush gets lower marks than anyone, at plus-1. Even Chris Christie is at +4. The difference is inside the margin of error, but this is clearly not where Bush would like to be.
Part of that is thanks to Bush's slide in favorability over time. His drop looks a lot like that of another person with a famous last name: Hillary Clinton. Clinton was doing better than Bush when Fox polled in March and May, and is still doing better than him now; but for all of the hand-wringing over Clinton's trustworthiness, Bush has fared just as badly.
By now, you surely know that Donald Trump is the least-liked Republican candidate for president. How could he not be, after months and months of coverage of how disliked he is? A new Fox News survey reveals that, thanks to opposition from Democrats, Trump is indeed viewed less favorably than any other candidate.
But if you look only at Republican respondents, that changes: Republicans view Jeb Bush even worse.
Among all voters, Trump is at negative-25 -- that is, he is viewed 25 points more unfavorably than favorably. Bush is at -21. Among Republicans? Bush gets lower marks than anyone, at plus-1. Even Chris Christie is at +4. The difference is inside the margin of error, but this is clearly not where Bush would like to be.
Part of that is thanks to Bush's slide in favorability over time. His drop looks a lot like that of another person with a famous last name: Hillary Clinton. Clinton was doing better than Bush when Fox polled in March and May, and is still doing better than him now; but for all of the hand-wringing over Clinton's trustworthiness, Bush has fared just as badly.
Carson is liked so much (by pretty much everyone) because he is extremely intelligent, well-spoken, honest, and a relative outsider to politics.
It also helps that he is black and came from poverty, which despite all the harping about racism and classism in this country, still is seen by most people as a plus.
On September 29 2015 08:34 Cowboy64 wrote: Carson is liked so much (by pretty much everyone) because he is extremely intelligent, well-spoken, honest, and a relative outsider to politics.
It also helps that he is black and came from poverty, which despite all the harping about racism and classism in this country, still is seen by most people as a plus.
I think those are generally fair assessments of him, although I think he failed a bit during the second debate in terms of coherence and clarity... And as far as him being intelligent is concerned, let's be clear that he was probably a good neurosurgeon but is still very anti-science and anti-fact.
So that just makes him an honest, black non-politician.
Surprised to see Bush doing so poorly when he is (IMO) clearly the sanest of all the GOP candidates. Also surprised to see Carson doing so well even amongst all voters when literally everything I've heard him say has been worse than Trump (eg muslims, evolution inspired by satan etc).
On September 29 2015 08:34 Cowboy64 wrote: Carson is liked so much (by pretty much everyone) because he is extremely intelligent, well-spoken, honest, and a relative outsider to politics.
It also helps that he is black and came from poverty, which despite all the harping about racism and classism in this country, still is seen by most people as a plus.
Carson isn't any smarter than Bush II. He's a fucking seventh-day adventist who constantly trips over himself when trying to reconcile his brand of religious craziness with reality.
these rags to riches guys heavily underestimate their own outlierness, so if anything their experience should be a strike against generalizing what they had to say about their success.
It was a day for Trump flowers at Trump Tower in New York City Monday, but Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump never got the message.
Stephanie Mercades attempted to deliver hundreds of yellow dahlias, the national flower of Mexico, to the billionaire businessman at his office as part of a protest of Trump's policies on illegal immigration.
"She was carrying 1,000 flowers, each with a note from a Latin immigrant sarcastically thanking Trump for his views on immigration," TMZ reported.
But it wasn't a giant border wall that stopped her. It wasn't even security. It was the revolving door that Mercades had a serious problem with, as she ended up dropping the flowers on the ground.
"Can someone help me pick up the flowers?" the woman cried, asking for help from onlookers.
"It looks like something Lucy Ricardo would do," TMZ noted.
Security then got involved, picking up the flowers and putting them in a clear, plastic trash bag.
"Can I keep the flowers?" Mercades asked.
"No," replied a security guard.
"Why can't I keep the flowers?" she wondered aloud.
The flowers never made it to Donald Trump.
"I'm throwing them away," the guard told her, as he dragged the bag of flowers down the street.
One bloom was left on the sidewalk, and that's when a second security guard picked it up and handed it to the lone protester, saying, "You can keep this one."
You know, I know a kid who was basically white Ben Carson in college. Very smart and hardworking (I beat him Bio 142 though and it drove him crazy)-- more than a little anal about grades, think he had like a 3.9++ and he got some award out of all the biology majors.
He was a brick wall when it came to values and stuff though-- very Southern Baptist, politely thought most of us were going to hell though we were nice people. He refused to shake hands with gay people, thought black people should "get over it", and abortion was murder. Yeah.
On September 29 2015 07:22 zlefin wrote: Looking at that graphical table, I'd like to see a table for the same year which has what % of total income each of those groups has.
Not sure how trustworthy this is, but I found something similar to what you wanted?
Much thanks for posting this. This is what I was looking for.
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) was perplexed. Two long months had passed since the Center for Medical Progress started releasing undercover videos in which current and former Planned Parenthood employees described the grim economics of fetal tissue harvesting. Since then, a long congressional recess had come and gone and Republican-run states had redoubled their efforts to defund the family planning titan. Yet in the most recent poll from Reuters/Ipsos, 54 percent of voters still favored federal funding for Planned Parenthood.
"Those numbers are news to me," said King. "I haven’t paid any attention to the polls. But am I surprised? Yes. That would explain some of the reasons why the leadership is not committing to defund."
Since King made that analysis, the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll has returned from the field, with even better news for Planned Parenthood. The full poll, to be released today, will find that the group's favorable rating is slightly up since the July release of the videos, from 45-30 percent favorable-unfavorable to 47-31 percent. Going into Tuesday's 10 a.m. congressional hearing on the group, a well-hyped showdown between the GOP and Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards, the video campaign appears not to have shifted public opinion on federal defunding.
"This is something the pro-life movement has been trying to educate people about for many years," said Mallory Quigley, spokeswoman for the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List. "I’ve seen polling that finds even some people who consider themselves pro-life don’t know that Planned Parenthood performs abortions. When you’ve got President Obama and Miss America telling the lie for you, it goes a long way. I grew up with Judy Blume books, where the last couple pages would tell you that you should go to Planned Parenthood for health services."
The sturdiness of support for Planned Parenthood stands out in a field of anti-abortion victories. For seven years, until 2015, more Americans told Gallup pollsters they were "pro-life" than "pro-choice." Activists have credited even the omnipresence of social media, and the attendant photos of babies and sonograms, for building a culture of life. It's allowed the movement to talk over the mainstream press and the dominant, progressive cultural voices. It hasn't been able to talk over the Planned Parenthood defense squad.
On September 29 2015 07:46 Slaughter wrote: What is the deal anyway. All I hear from those who oppose Obamacare is extremely hyperbolic rhetoric about why A) No one likes it and B) Its the worst system ever.
I never hear any actual specific reasons why its bad nor any type of poll numbers to suggest most people don't like it. I think if they really want to convince people they aren't just throwing a hissy fit they should actually show the people why its not working and make a system and show why it would be better. If they did these things they might even be able to convince democratic voters (since using their assertion that its a bad system they should be dissatisfied as well) to put pressure on their reps to actually get some steam going towards moving in a different direction.
I posted about this upthread. The short version is, I was stuck with insurance that did not benefit me at all, and that sucked up enough of my income to make routine doctor visits unaffordable. And was unable to change policies.
I believe he's looking for something beyond anecdotes; as you can always find anecdotes for things. like well sourced statistical information. also, your anecdote still doesn't provide a superior system that addresses the thing the act is meant to address.
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