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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On September 25 2015 00:42 oneofthem wrote: i know, just egging you on. what if trump is the thorin of politics? For what it's worth, I actually like Thoorin. I just think he's got no clue when it comes to League of Legends analysis. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21378 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:23 Simberto wrote: I still don't quite understand why a lot of US politics seem to be based on attaching random stuff to other random stuff for no apparent reason. Why can't you just vote on different topics independently? If you want to defund PP, why not vote on that, instead of voting on attaching defunding PP to keeping the government running? Because it is allowed. With no (or next to no) rules about what sort of amendments can be added you get stuff like this. They know a vote to defund PP will fail 100% of the time so all they can do is hold other bills hostage. The mentality of "If I can't win then no one will" is sadly all to prevalent. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:25 LimpingGoat wrote: He leads among independents against Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical general election. He gets 25 percent of the black vote compared to what Romney got which was 6 percent. He does better against Hispanics than Romney did, somehow. And he actually beats Hillary among Asians, which Romney only got 25 percent. And if doing slightly better than Romney is the metric for winning the election, he is there. The problem is that he get the electoral votes necessary and that won't happen. Especially once people start paying attention and stop treating the election like a reality show. On September 25 2015 06:33 LimpingGoat wrote: Also I'm not sure anyone has brought it up here but it's worth mentioning Bernie Sanders is basically only known and supported by young white guys. And Obama was basically unknown nationally. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:35 Plansix wrote: And if doing slightly better than Romney is the metric for winning the election, he is there. The problem is that he get the electoral votes necessary and that won't happen. Especially once people start paying attention and stop treating the election like a reality show. And Obama was basically unknown nationally. Comparing crazy uncle Bernie to political superstar Barack Obama | ||
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Sermokala
United States13754 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:37 LimpingGoat wrote: Comparing crazy uncle Bernie to political superstar Barack Obama The fact that you think Obama was a super star when he started his campaign shows you were not paying attention. People were shocked by how much media he was able to grab and the he raised as much as Clinton. His only claim to fame at that point was a nation convention speech. Nationally he was unknown beyond the hard core in his own party. | ||
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Eskendereya
United States97 Posts
(go to 5:45) Basically these people expose Bernie Sanders as a fraud who supports war. I wouldn't consider voting for Bernie based on the fact that he's a self-proclaimed socialist which I'm not in a believer in whatsoever. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13754 Posts
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KwarK
United States42009 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Pope Francis’s unequivocal call in his speech before Congress for the death penalty to be abolished in the US comes at a critical moment in the history of the ultimate punishment, with several states preparing to restart the controversial practice after several months of interlude. The pontiff’s bold statement on Thursday could not be misconstrued: he told the assembled members of Congress that he wanted to see the “global abolition of the death penalty”. He rooted his opposition in fundamental moral ground, saying the conviction stemmed from his belief that “every life is sacred, every human person is endowed with inalienable dignity, and society can only benefit from the rehabilitation of those convicted of crimes”. A total of 1,414 prisoners have been executed in the US since the modern death penalty started in 1976. Overall, the practice has been on the wane since its peak in 1999 when 98 prisoners were killed – last year that number fell to 35. But though the wind of change is blowing against US capital punishment, a group of states, mainly in the south, continue to adhere doggedly to the contentious penalty. In June, the US supreme court in effect removed barriers to carrying out executions when it gave the go-ahead for the use of a controversial drug, midazolam, in death protocols – thus clearing a legal barrier that had been holding states back for several months. Now the death penalty rump is cranking back in to executions with renewed vigor. Between now and the end of October, 11 executions are scheduled in seven states – Arkansas, Georgia, Missouri, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia. It was within that context that the pope delivered his forthright words. Robert Dunham of the Death Penalty Information Center said that Francis commanded significant influence. Source | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
There are more than enough legitimate disagreements and reasons to vote against him, no need to use poorly argued and trash videos. Are you able to recognize that they are trash videos, and not actual good sources of reasons? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22737 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:46 Eskendereya wrote: I don't know much about Bernie Sanders but I found these videos interesting, not sure what Bernie fans think of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BTMK9c1XE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbGtc34w7KY (go to 5:45) Basically these people expose Bernie Sanders as a fraud who supports war. I wouldn't consider voting for Bernie based on the fact that he's a self-proclaimed socialist which I'm not in a believer in whatsoever. I find it hilarious. The only consistent line of attack on Bernie has been the assertion he's a "socialist" to which socialists universally say "no he's not". Basically it's the far left saying "no he's not us" to which Republicans (and some Hillary supporters) say "yeah he is". To which Sanders supporters "wtf?" Republicans will take any whacko at their word if they say they are a ISIS follower and call it Islam but here you have socialists and supporters telling you loud and clear that "No, he's not a socialist" and yet we have people who don't have a clue what the word even means, using it as a disqualifier. Though considering they are still struggling with which country our president was born in, I can't really be surprised. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21378 Posts
Surprise! he is back without silly indefensible postion. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:25 LimpingGoat wrote: He leads among independents against Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical general election. He gets 25 percent of the black vote compared to what Romney got which was 6 percent. He does better against Hispanics than Romney did, somehow. And he actually beats Hillary among Asians, which Romney only got 25 percent. Everything you just mentioned is from one old poll (that used questionable methodology). He still has horrible numbers with blacks and Hispanics, his "lead" with Asians is statistically insignificant, and his overall favorability numbers are atrocious. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:33 LimpingGoat wrote: Also I'm not sure anyone has brought it up here but it's worth mentioning Bernie Sanders is basically only known and supported by young white guys. Citation? I see MANY different people posting about him online. And it's about equally male/female, with some black support as well. I really don't know where you got that idea because that's not the impression I'm getting here at ALL. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
Considering that he admires the " Nordic model of social democracy", I dont get why people dont just call him a social democrat. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On September 25 2015 07:36 Paljas wrote: Sanders might be a socialist, but his policies are unfortunately not for the most part. Considering that he admires the " Nordic model of social democracy", I dont get why people dont just call him a social democrat. He calls himself a 'democratic socialist'. To which people will latch on to only the word 'socialist'. In America the word 'socialist' means 'communist', they're the exact same thing in America's mind. So he's a communist. | ||
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