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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
August 07 2015 05:08 GMT
#43361
Are you referring to the Lemon test? It's pretty clear from the decision that it's limited to funding of religious organizations, and PP isn't a religious organization. Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty lose definition for "funding."
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 05:10:28
August 07 2015 05:09 GMT
#43362
On August 07 2015 14:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:03 cLutZ wrote:
On August 07 2015 13:52 Mercy13 wrote:
Maybe you think that they just shift money around, so that non-government funds are used for abortions that would otherwise have been used for other things? Still, that's a pretty lose definition for "funding" abortions.


Its the Supreme Court's definition for "funding" religions.

Which religion has the text "thou shalt abort"?


Isn't that the "bitter water" from the Christian bible (Numbers 5:24)? XD
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 07 2015 05:15 GMT
#43363
On August 07 2015 13:58 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Trump speaks with hannity after his debate


He sounds so... reasonable

Maybe I'm still drunk
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 07 2015 05:16 GMT
#43364
On August 07 2015 14:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 13:58 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Trump speaks with hannity after his debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UIKPe9tTY


He sounds so... reasonable

Maybe I'm still drunk


I feel like I'm under some kinda fucking mind control or some shit. I am nodding my head at things Trump says.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
August 07 2015 05:18 GMT
#43365
On August 07 2015 14:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 07 2015 13:58 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Trump speaks with hannity after his debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UIKPe9tTY


He sounds so... reasonable

Maybe I'm still drunk


I feel like I'm under some kinda fucking mind control or some shit. I am nodding my head at things Trump says.
I know right? His bullshit is intoxicating, I'll give it to him.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46221 Posts
August 07 2015 05:18 GMT
#43366
On August 07 2015 13:16 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 13:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 07 2015 13:06 Chezinu wrote:
On August 07 2015 12:53 screamingpalm wrote:
On August 07 2015 12:49 Ravianna26 wrote:

Abortion is murder based on someone's age so it definitely is a moral issue. Planned Parenthood should definitely be defunded.


It IS a moral issue. And THAT is exactly WHY PP should NOT be defunded! No federal funding goes towards abortions, so that is also a moot point (before it even gets brought up!). As for me personally- it isn't a choice that I would make in my personal life. For those women that must chose it, and those that donate the Stem cell tissue, those are lives not given in vain at least. Many lives have been given for far less/failures of humanity- which we often support and celebrate (i.e.- military service).


I wouldn't call it a moot point. Supporting a organization that kills babies even if


please please please please please don't strawman the issue of abortion. Fetuses aren't babies. A baby is already born. No one is supporting organizations that kill *fourth* trimester pregnancies, if you get my drift. This is not about post-birth killings.


Did you read my whole post? Many people view fetuses as human. That is the view that many people have. Thus it is an important moral issue that should be discussed. fetus = baby in terms of the value of life.


I did read your post, but that still doesn't mean that "fetus = baby". That's 100% explicitly wrong by any and all definitions. People might want to argue that the fetus is a human life, but calling it a baby is still the completely wrong stage of the human life cycle.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 05:21:49
August 07 2015 05:21 GMT
#43367
On August 07 2015 14:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 13:58 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Trump speaks with hannity after his debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UIKPe9tTY


He sounds so... reasonable

Maybe I'm still drunk


I just don't get it, I am like the most ardent supporter of Obama, through thick and thin even when the democrats were turning on him, and I can't get enough of this fucking guy.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 07 2015 05:27 GMT
#43368
Im starting to smell a Trump/Cruz ticket seeing as the poll shows that they preformed the best in the debate and met with each other a while ago in private. Could become a good combo.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 05:29:19
August 07 2015 05:28 GMT
#43369
Lol maybe Trump is just lying about becoming a Republican so he can troll the whole party. He wins the election then says "Seriously this is the state of politics right now...you elected ME". Trump is actually a secret genius and is parodying the whole political system to show what a farce it is.
Never Knows Best.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 05:29:16
August 07 2015 05:28 GMT
#43370
sry double post
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 07 2015 05:35 GMT
#43371
On August 07 2015 14:28 Slaughter wrote:
Lol maybe Trump is just lying about becoming a Republican so he can troll the whole party. He wins the election then says "Seriously this is the state of politics right now...you elected ME". Trump is actually a secret genius and is parodying the whole political system to show what a farce it is.


Jon Stewart didn't hand over his mantle to some random South African comedian... he handed it over to Trump
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24141 Posts
August 07 2015 05:36 GMT
#43372
On August 07 2015 14:27 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Im starting to smell a Trump/Cruz ticket seeing as the poll shows that they preformed the best in the debate and met with each other a while ago in private. Could become a good combo.


Good for Bernie.



He also got ~13k-20k new followers. Just by tweeting about the debate. Imagine if he was actually in one.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 07 2015 05:41 GMT
#43373
On August 07 2015 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:27 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Im starting to smell a Trump/Cruz ticket seeing as the poll shows that they preformed the best in the debate and met with each other a while ago in private. Could become a good combo.


Good for Bernie.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/629488409728393216

He also got ~13k-20k new followers. Just by tweeting about the debate. Imagine if he was actually in one.

I love Bernie, undead is my favorite class in WC3
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24141 Posts
August 07 2015 05:47 GMT
#43374
On August 07 2015 14:41 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 07 2015 14:27 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Im starting to smell a Trump/Cruz ticket seeing as the poll shows that they preformed the best in the debate and met with each other a while ago in private. Could become a good combo.


Good for Bernie.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/629488409728393216

He also got ~13k-20k new followers. Just by tweeting about the debate. Imagine if he was actually in one.

I love Bernie, undead is my favorite class in WC3


Are you drunker than I am? Bernie demolishes Trump in heads up national polls and tons of people still don't even know who he is.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 05:56:07
August 07 2015 05:55 GMT
#43375
On August 07 2015 14:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:41 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On August 07 2015 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 07 2015 14:27 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Im starting to smell a Trump/Cruz ticket seeing as the poll shows that they preformed the best in the debate and met with each other a while ago in private. Could become a good combo.


Good for Bernie.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/629488409728393216

He also got ~13k-20k new followers. Just by tweeting about the debate. Imagine if he was actually in one.

I love Bernie, undead is my favorite class in WC3


Are you drunker than I am? Bernie demolishes Trump in heads up national polls and tons of people still don't even know who he is.

A national poll says George W Bush has had a higher approval rating than Obama for the last 2 years. Does it mean anything? no.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
August 07 2015 05:59 GMT
#43376
I'm going register republican just so I can vote Trump in the primaries. I'm from Utah so I think it's the best use of my vote.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 07 2015 06:04 GMT
#43377
Here is the tonight's debate in its entirety
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24141 Posts
August 07 2015 06:05 GMT
#43378
On August 07 2015 14:55 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 07 2015 14:41 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On August 07 2015 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 07 2015 14:27 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Im starting to smell a Trump/Cruz ticket seeing as the poll shows that they preformed the best in the debate and met with each other a while ago in private. Could become a good combo.


Good for Bernie.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/629488409728393216

He also got ~13k-20k new followers. Just by tweeting about the debate. Imagine if he was actually in one.

I love Bernie, undead is my favorite class in WC3


Are you drunker than I am? Bernie demolishes Trump in heads up national polls and tons of people still don't even know who he is.

A national poll says George W Bush has had a higher approval rating than Obama for the last 2 years. Does it mean anything? no.


Yes, when you're out of office and the propaganda fades your way, your numbers go up. Totally different than what I'm talking about though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 07 2015 06:10 GMT
#43379
On August 07 2015 14:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:03 cLutZ wrote:
On August 07 2015 13:52 Mercy13 wrote:
Maybe you think that they just shift money around, so that non-government funds are used for abortions that would otherwise have been used for other things? Still, that's a pretty lose definition for "funding" abortions.


Its the Supreme Court's definition for "funding" religions.

Which religion has the text "thou shalt abort"?


I dont know? The point is that if you funded the education part of a Catholic school the way PP is funded, SCOTUS would say you have violated the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment.
Freeeeeeedom
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
August 07 2015 06:16 GMT
#43380
On August 07 2015 15:10 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 14:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 07 2015 14:03 cLutZ wrote:
On August 07 2015 13:52 Mercy13 wrote:
Maybe you think that they just shift money around, so that non-government funds are used for abortions that would otherwise have been used for other things? Still, that's a pretty lose definition for "funding" abortions.


Its the Supreme Court's definition for "funding" religions.

Which religion has the text "thou shalt abort"?


I dont know? The point is that if you funded the education part of a Catholic school the way PP is funded, SCOTUS would say you have violated the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment.


What is the argument again that the government funding PP is in violation of the establishment clause? Not sure I follow the logic there if that is what you are saying. For the sake of argument lets say the government does fund something that goes against peoples religious beliefs; if that is the case that doesn't mean the establishment clause has been violated.
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