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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 03 2015 15:34 GMT
#42961
The fear of countries Iran having a nuke is if they are crazy enough to give it to a third party to use. But even then, it’s not like the world couldn’t figure out where it came from if they used it. If they wanted to create the political will for the US and allies to invade their country, using a nuke against any country would pretty much be the source of unlimited amounts of that.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 03 2015 15:42 GMT
#42962
A nuke is pretty useless except as a dick enhancement unless you have enough to impose a credible MAD threat anyways.
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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
August 03 2015 15:53 GMT
#42963
I think the biggest danger from an Iran nuke would be how Israel would react to it. They would stop at nothing to prevent Iran from completing the final steps to getting a working nuke (with some justification), and a war between Iran and Israel would be a disaster.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 03 2015 15:58 GMT
#42964
On August 04 2015 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 00:15 cLutZ wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:37 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:32 always_winter wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:06 Gorsameth wrote:
Still have not seen any viable alternative solution from anyone that disagrees with the treaty.


There isn't one, just empty rhetoric, chest beating, and shitty Beach Boys remixes.


It's actually responses like this which make intellectual discussion on a gaming forum a fool's errand. Khomeini has distributed a 416-page manifesto outlining his political ideology; the Iranian equivalent of the Monroe Doctrine or Roosevelt Corollary. There's nothing empty about that rhetoric. Read the damn thing instead of regurgitating idealism from an administration you admire.

Guess what? I admire it, too. I think Obama is one of the most intelligent presidents in recent memory. The Iran Deal is a gross intellectual misstep riddled with misplaced idealism.

Oh, and I want Bernie to win, too. He won't. Such blind idealism has no place in this world, my friend. Time to wake up.

Still waiting for that alternative solution.

The superior solution is allowing them to develop nukes in exchange for them helping in dismantling ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. Its only a smart deal if you have a narrow view (aka "nonproliferation expert") of the world.

How do we ensure they do that? Well, the enforcement options in the nuke deal are no better: War, or sanctions.


It's a very pretty "kill 2 birds with 1 stone" scenario, but what on earth is going to make Iran do x in exchange for y? Like, do we straight up say "hey, if we knock out this laundry list of organizations destabilizing the mideast, we'll give you a usb with plans for a nuclear bomb?

There are sanctions in place, remove them in an orderly fashion when Iran completes it's goals. It's basically an arms agreement: we dismantel our sanctions, you dismantle local Islamic terrorist groups.

@gorsameth, mostly agree. I just am much less concerned with a nuke than driving a wedge between radicalism and the government of 70?million people.
Freeeeeeedom
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 03 2015 16:59 GMT
#42965
A wildfire raging through the foothills and canyons of Northern California's coastal mountains roared into its sixth day on Monday, leaving at least two dozen homes in ruins and displacing thousands of residents after the fire more that doubled in size on Sunday.

The blaze, which has scorched about 93 square miles east of Lower Lake, a town about 110 miles north of San Francisco, was the fiercest of 20 large fires being battled by 9,000 firefighters across the state, officials said.

Capt. Don Camp of California's Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said containment of the fire in the Lower Lake area was at 12 percent Monday morning after being stuck at 5 percent for days.

"This is a very fast-moving wildfire," said Daniel Berlant, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Prevention, or Cal Fire, on Sunday.

A separate blaze that killed a U.S. forest ranger on Thursday near the Oregon border has also expanded, but remains a fraction of the size of the Rocky fire, which erupted in Lake County on Wednesday and has proved the most destructive.

Cal Fire officials “are calling the behavior of this fire unprecedented,” Jason Shanley, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, told the Sacramento Bee. “It is jaw-dropping to see some of the things it is doing" in wind that is causing flames “to go in all different directions.”

Some 20,000 acres of scrub oak and brush ravaged by the Rocky fire over a five-hour period on Saturday night represented "unprecedented growth in that short amount of time," Berlant said. By Sunday evening, the blaze had blackened another 7,000 acres along the rugged eastern flanks of California's Northern Coast Ranges, officials said.

But in a small sign of optimism on Monday morning, firefighters were aided by lower temperatures and higher humidity, which allowed for the slight increase in the fire's containment.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-03 19:49:15
August 03 2015 19:48 GMT
#42966
On August 03 2015 23:32 always_winter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2015 23:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:06 Gorsameth wrote:
Still have not seen any viable alternative solution from anyone that disagrees with the treaty.


There isn't one, just empty rhetoric, chest beating, and shitty Beach Boys remixes.


It's actually responses like this which make intellectual discussion on a gaming forum a fool's errand. Khomeini has distributed a 416-page manifesto outlining his political ideology; the Iranian equivalent of the Monroe Doctrine or Roosevelt Corollary. There's nothing empty about that rhetoric. Read the damn thing instead of regurgitating idealism from an administration you admire.

Guess what? I admire it, too. I think Obama is one of the most intelligent presidents in recent memory. The Iran Deal is a gross intellectual misstep riddled with misplaced idealism.

Oh, and I want Bernie to win, too. He won't. Such blind idealism has no place in this world, my friend. Time to wake up.


lol.

You still never provided a viable alternative. Which only further proved my point. The slights and insults seemed weirdly out of place.


Clutz at least came up with something, although, it's the only idea I've heard of that would have even less support in congress and would spark even wilder accusations than the Huckabee "Jews to the furnace" crap.

The deal ain't perfect but it's critics still don't have a better alternative.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-03 20:34:23
August 03 2015 20:10 GMT
#42967
[image loading]

Weirdly outta place is sorta my thing.

#feelthebern Bernie '16

Edit:

For the record the one-liner was on point. Bomb Iran easily best Beach Boys remix. Shit's fire. Wouldn't expect anything less from Bernie, Jr. himself. Stay classy.

Related: www.theonion.com

“He might have the reputation of being the people’s candidate, but when your candidacy is effectively bankrolled by the multi-hundred-dollar donation of a fourth-grade teacher, it’s clear who’s really pulling the strings,” said political analyst Peter Mathews, who noted that when a check arrives with a handwritten note that says “Behind you 100 percent, Bernie!” it comes with certain expectations.


All future, non SC2-related TL posts will be in the above format. No exceptions.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
August 03 2015 20:42 GMT
#42968
On August 04 2015 05:10 always_winter wrote:
[image loading]

Weirdly outta place is sorta my thing.

#feelthebern Bernie '16

Edit:

For the record the one-liner was on point. Bomb Iran easily best Beach Boys remix. Shit's fire. Wouldn't expect anything less from Bernie, Jr. himself. Stay classy.

Related: www.theonion.com

Show nested quote +
“He might have the reputation of being the people’s candidate, but when your candidacy is effectively bankrolled by the multi-hundred-dollar donation of a fourth-grade teacher, it’s clear who’s really pulling the strings,” said political analyst Peter Mathews, who noted that when a check arrives with a handwritten note that says “Behind you 100 percent, Bernie!” it comes with certain expectations.


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That is totally nonsensical.

Think I'm just going to avoid engaging with you. A weird part of me feels like you're Jonny trying a new trolling technique.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-03 20:45:20
August 03 2015 20:43 GMT
#42969
On August 04 2015 04:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2015 23:32 always_winter wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 03 2015 23:06 Gorsameth wrote:
Still have not seen any viable alternative solution from anyone that disagrees with the treaty.


There isn't one, just empty rhetoric, chest beating, and shitty Beach Boys remixes.


It's actually responses like this which make intellectual discussion on a gaming forum a fool's errand. Khomeini has distributed a 416-page manifesto outlining his political ideology; the Iranian equivalent of the Monroe Doctrine or Roosevelt Corollary. There's nothing empty about that rhetoric. Read the damn thing instead of regurgitating idealism from an administration you admire.

Guess what? I admire it, too. I think Obama is one of the most intelligent presidents in recent memory. The Iran Deal is a gross intellectual misstep riddled with misplaced idealism.

Oh, and I want Bernie to win, too. He won't. Such blind idealism has no place in this world, my friend. Time to wake up.


lol.

You still never provided a viable alternative. Which only further proved my point. The slights and insults seemed weirdly out of place.


Clutz at least came up with something, although, it's the only idea I've heard of that would have even less support in congress and would spark even wilder accusations than the Huckabee "Jews to the furnace" crap.

The deal ain't perfect but it's critics still don't have a better alternative.


I agree that my idea would have less support

People are too afraid of nukes. They are unlikely to be used. Biologicals are far scarier for a place like modern Iran (with its terror ties) to possess, and they basically need a few high-quality Ph.D.s a lab with a million dollars of funding and a few crazy people to conduct that kind of operation. That there is no such superflu etc roaming the West right now is proof strong evidence that they want the nuke primarily for deterrence.
Freeeeeeedom
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
August 03 2015 20:49 GMT
#42970
On August 04 2015 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 05:10 always_winter wrote:
[image loading]

Weirdly outta place is sorta my thing.

#feelthebern Bernie '16

Edit:

For the record the one-liner was on point. Bomb Iran easily best Beach Boys remix. Shit's fire. Wouldn't expect anything less from Bernie, Jr. himself. Stay classy.

Related: www.theonion.com

“He might have the reputation of being the people’s candidate, but when your candidacy is effectively bankrolled by the multi-hundred-dollar donation of a fourth-grade teacher, it’s clear who’s really pulling the strings,” said political analyst Peter Mathews, who noted that when a check arrives with a handwritten note that says “Behind you 100 percent, Bernie!” it comes with certain expectations.


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That is totally nonsensical.

Think I'm just going to avoid engaging with you. A weird part of me feels like you're Jonny trying a new trolling technique.


bro I already bought the ring......my parents are super conservative you know how this is going to look. We'll just have to postpone it, something about the orchids being the wrong color or something.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
August 03 2015 22:12 GMT
#42971
Is this real life?

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 03 2015 22:24 GMT
#42972
Humor doesn't cross all political divides.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18123 Posts
August 03 2015 22:49 GMT
#42973
On August 04 2015 07:24 Danglars wrote:
Humor doesn't cross all political divides.

Probably not. Because I thought it was pathetic.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 00:04:33
August 03 2015 23:49 GMT
#42974
Trump has reached a new high capturing 26% of the vote in a new poll
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/03/fox-news-poll-new-high-for-trump-new-low-for-clinton/
On the other hand, Clinton is not having such a good time hanging on at 51%.
Dems trying really hard to throw the election.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23476 Posts
August 04 2015 00:40 GMT
#42975
Dems trying really hard to throw the election.


lol yeah, the Dems are the one's throwing it.

Presumably you've seen the heads up between the Rep. leading candidate where Hillary wallops him and Bernie beat's him by 20%
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 04 2015 01:19 GMT
#42976
On August 04 2015 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
Dems trying really hard to throw the election.


lol yeah, the Dems are the one's throwing it.

Presumably you've seen the heads up between the Rep. leading candidate where Hillary wallops him and Bernie beat's him by 20%

Dems are blowing their load to soon. They are climaxing during foreplay while being unable to penetrate the silent majority's orifice. Hillary peaked 2 months ago and is now in her refractory period, Trump has steadily became more erect over the last 2 months and continues to throb.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18123 Posts
August 04 2015 03:59 GMT
#42977
On August 04 2015 10:19 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2015 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Dems trying really hard to throw the election.


lol yeah, the Dems are the one's throwing it.

Presumably you've seen the heads up between the Rep. leading candidate where Hillary wallops him and Bernie beat's him by 20%

Dems are blowing their load to soon. They are climaxing during foreplay while being unable to penetrate the silent majority's orifice. Hillary peaked 2 months ago and is now in her refractory period, Trump has steadily became more erect over the last 2 months and continues to throb.

Who cares? There is no way in hell that Trump will win. In fact, him winning the primaries is probably the best thing that could happen for the democrats.

Talking about primaries: why is this thread mainly about the elections when they are still more than a year away. At this point it is really more gossip than politics.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 04 2015 04:06 GMT
#42978
You just seriously replied to a post primarily consisting of phallic analogy.
Freeeeeeedom
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 04 2015 05:16 GMT
#42979
Law enforcement officials from the Washington area and across the country said Monday that there has been a recent increase in shootings in several major cities but that they haven’t pinpointed what’s causing the spike in violence.

Officials from several cities, including the District, St. Louis, Chicago and Baltimore, met at the Newseum in the District to discuss the trend and possible solutions to the violence. They were joined by criminology professors, attorneys and others.

“We had this meeting as an urgent summit because we felt a sense of urgency because people are dying,” D.C. Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier said at a news conference after the summit. “We have not seen what we’re seeing right now in decades.” ...


Source

This has to be a joke, right? Tiny sample size plus totally ignoring the shift in police-civilian dynamics from this time last year?
Freeeeeeedom
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
August 04 2015 06:00 GMT
#42980
On August 04 2015 07:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Is this real life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8


Hopefully the lead will poison him.
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