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On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer.
Oh no, the last holdout will be upon ye before long, make sure the bunker's ready cuz I don't think the small arms fire is gonna cut it, dawg.
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On June 19 2015 05:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:29 farvacola wrote:
There are small towns all over Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois where the Confederate Flag is proudly flown. This is no secret.
And ya know, for all his faults, I do think that Obama can be extremely poignant sometimes. Looking forward to hearing him a decade or so from now. He got in there young and has a lot of life left to be going around doing whatever he thinks is important to him/the country outside the political arena.
This is really what I hope for: that he can be an actual force for change after leaving office in the way he never could in office because he does speeches so much better than schmoozing.
The saddest part of the speech to me was where he said, yeah, we're not even gonna try to push through change here. I wish he would at least give it a shot.
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I want to add that the FoxNews "Attack on Christians [not Blacks]" angle is despicable and done for the most cynical political reasons. That said, this was an attack on Christianity and Christians. Four pastors were killed. All of the dead were at a prayer meeting. This was not just a random shooting of black civilians by a deranged psycho (though it was that)... This was a racist terrorist who targeted the nonviolent soldiers of the church militant.
The work of Emmanuel AME (and the AME generally) is God's work.. it is worship activity from a Christian point of view. When white supremacist/neo-nazi/pro-confederate/pro-apartheid terrorists go after a black church, they are attacking the church as a whole. When the pro-racism crowd says that anyone is created "less" than anyone else, they are attacking Christianity. When they attack the prophetic mission of people like Hurd, Jackson, Lance, Middleton-Doctor, Pinckney, Sanders, Simmons, Singleton, or Thompson, they make themselves enemies of God. When they kill, they do no more than make martyrs of these brave Christians.
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Ownership of victimhood need not be exclusive.
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On June 19 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer. Oh no, the last holdout will be upon ye before long, make sure the bunker's ready cuz I don't think the small arms fire is gonna cut it, dawg.
Who said anything about a bunker? I know, everyone who likes the second amendment is prepping for imminent rebellion against the tyrannical government.
Meanwhile, I think you are stuck in the liberal rut of wanting to ban and regulate things you don't like 
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On June 19 2015 10:36 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer. Oh no, the last holdout will be upon ye before long, make sure the bunker's ready cuz I don't think the small arms fire is gonna cut it, dawg. Who said anything about a bunker? I know, everyone who likes the second amendment is prepping for imminent rebellion against the tyrannical government. Meanwhile, I think you are stuck in the liberal rut of wanting to ban and regulate things you don't like
I don't like being shot by legally obtained guns. They should regulate that. Or at least require insurance. Man, if you had to insure your fire arms. My god, the problem would solve itself. It could even be scaled by the number of guns and type. Think of the jobs, the economy. Think of the commercials.
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On June 19 2015 10:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:36 Introvert wrote:On June 19 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer. Oh no, the last holdout will be upon ye before long, make sure the bunker's ready cuz I don't think the small arms fire is gonna cut it, dawg. Who said anything about a bunker? I know, everyone who likes the second amendment is prepping for imminent rebellion against the tyrannical government. Meanwhile, I think you are stuck in the liberal rut of wanting to ban and regulate things you don't like I don't like being shot by legally obtained guns. They should regulate that. Or at least require insurance. Man, if you had to insure your fire arms. My god, the problem would solve itself. It could even be scaled by the number of guns and type. Think of the jobs, the economy. Think of the commercials.
I wouldn't imagine it being that expensive tbh. Registered gun ownership tends to be the minority of gun-related fatalities.
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On June 19 2015 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Should seriously just have the same systems we have in place for cars, and apply them to guns.
Pretty sure insurance costs alone with dissuade people except hobbyists and enthusiasts from them.
Lol, wouldn't that be nice. Texas gun licenses letting you operate in New York and DC. And the insurance costs would be hilariously small, and mostly offset by a corresponding change in homeowners/renters insurance (or didn't you know that those cover negligent uses of guns?).
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On June 19 2015 10:36 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer. Oh no, the last holdout will be upon ye before long, make sure the bunker's ready cuz I don't think the small arms fire is gonna cut it, dawg. Who said anything about a bunker? I know, everyone who likes the second amendment is prepping for imminent rebellion against the tyrannical government. Meanwhile, I think you are stuck in the liberal rut of wanting to ban and regulate things you don't like
If you paid any attention to any of my substantive posts on gun control during the numerous times this has come up, you'd know that "trite pro-gun accusatory declaration #23" just doesn't work in this instance. Pick another one from the bank. It'll almost certainly line up better.
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On June 19 2015 10:55 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Should seriously just have the same systems we have in place for cars, and apply them to guns.
Pretty sure insurance costs alone with dissuade people except hobbyists and enthusiasts from them. Lol, wouldn't that be nice. Texas gun licenses letting you operate in New York and DC. And the insurance costs would be hilariously small, and mostly offset by a corresponding change in homeowners/renters insurance (or didn't you know that those cover negligent uses of guns?).
you'd be surprised how the inconvenience of filling out paper work deters people from doing stuff.
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I think the best current step on guns is mandatory training for gun owners.
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On June 19 2015 11:02 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 19 2015 10:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Should seriously just have the same systems we have in place for cars, and apply them to guns.
Pretty sure insurance costs alone with dissuade people except hobbyists and enthusiasts from them. Lol, wouldn't that be nice. Texas gun licenses letting you operate in New York and DC. And the insurance costs would be hilariously small, and mostly offset by a corresponding change in homeowners/renters insurance (or didn't you know that those cover negligent uses of guns?). you'd be surprised how the inconvenience of filling out paper work deters people from doing stuff.
In almost every state there is paperwork for a carry license already...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
A major issue in this debate is that one side is so opposed and disengaged from guns that they might as well be commenting on helicopter licenses.
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On June 19 2015 10:56 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:36 Introvert wrote:On June 19 2015 10:28 farvacola wrote:On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer. Oh no, the last holdout will be upon ye before long, make sure the bunker's ready cuz I don't think the small arms fire is gonna cut it, dawg. Who said anything about a bunker? I know, everyone who likes the second amendment is prepping for imminent rebellion against the tyrannical government. Meanwhile, I think you are stuck in the liberal rut of wanting to ban and regulate things you don't like If you paid any attention to any of my substantive posts on gun control during the numerous times this has come up, you'd know that "trite pro-gun accusatory declaration #23" just doesn't work in this instance. Pick another one from the bank. It'll almost certainly line up better.
Pro-gun control mocking one-liner #65 is old and boring. Your bunker comment is standard liberal pro gun control fare.
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Makes argument that drug prohibition has caused untold 'unintended' consequences, least of which is drug violence, gangs/cartels, and police militarization. Goes on to advocate for gun prohibition. You can't make these things up. Then someone points to alcohol prohibition as a model. LMAO. Good, one guys. Keep up those sterling arguments.
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On June 19 2015 11:16 Wegandi wrote:
Makes argument that drug prohibition has caused untold 'unintended' consequences, least of which is drug violence, gangs/cartels, and police militarization. Goes on to advocate for gun prohibition. You can't make these things up. Then someone points to alcohol prohibition as a model. LMAO. Good, one guys. Keep up those sterling arguments.
Shockingly, gun prohibition actually works for the rest of the civilized world.
Of course, the US seems to be the only country that's obsessed with clinging to it's guns.
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Yes, because gun prohibition has failed in every other country had tried it. There are literally zero countries with more restrictive guns laws than the US that also have low gun crime. It is totally impossible. /s
And I'm pro gun. My family owns a few, though I do not currently own one. But even we know that gun laws and enforcement of illegal guns sales are a joke in this country. There is reason the majority of assault weapons are sold along the southern border of this country.
But clearly that would have done shit for the thing that happened today. That gun was purchased legally and I am sure we will find out exactly how this guy planned everything he did in the coming days.
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On June 19 2015 11:16 Wegandi wrote:
Makes argument that drug prohibition has caused untold 'unintended' consequences, least of which is drug violence, gangs/cartels, and police militarization. Goes on to advocate for gun prohibition. You can't make these things up. Then someone points to alcohol prohibition as a model. LMAO. Good, one guys. Keep up those sterling arguments.
I have no idea what universe you live in.
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On June 19 2015 11:23 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 11:16 Wegandi wrote:
Makes argument that drug prohibition has caused untold 'unintended' consequences, least of which is drug violence, gangs/cartels, and police militarization. Goes on to advocate for gun prohibition. You can't make these things up. Then someone points to alcohol prohibition as a model. LMAO. Good, one guys. Keep up those sterling arguments. Shockingly, gun prohibition actually works for the rest of the civilized world. Of course, the US seems to be the only country that's obsessed with clinging to it's guns.
Switzerland probably ideal gun culture that's most likely to match USA's gun culture. Strict gun training for all owners through mandatory military service is pretty good way to keep gun violence down and restricting it to only trained individuals, all while having it being licensed.
hell, the guns are supplied by the government.
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On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer.
Out of curiosity, what do you think would happen to Americans if they lost their right to bear arms?
I think there would be a lot of outrage, but I don't think Americans would be any less safe or that we would be any worse off as a society in the long run.
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On June 19 2015 11:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:24 Introvert wrote:
Thank heavens we still have our guns and gun rights for a while longer. Still scary that Heller was 5-4, but at least that kept the second amendment alive and useful for much longer. Out of curiosity, what do you think would happen to Americans if they lost their right to bear arms? I think there would be a lot of outrage, but I don't think Americans would be any less safe or that we would be any worse off as a society in the long run.
I think it'd be impossible in such a short period of time. Gun culture and hobby is ingrained in the culture, too much history for it to just be removed.
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