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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 31 2015 23:51 GMT
#35681
The athletic director at the University of Southern California, Pat Haden, said on Tuesday that he would not attend the NCAA's College Football Playoff committee meeting in Indianapolis this week, due to the new Indiana religious freedom law that may allow discrimination against gays and lesbians.

Numerous groups and conventions have announced or threatened boycotts of the state, but the NCAA will not move this week's Final Four games out of Indianapolis and did not indicate that it will move the league's headquarters from the city either.

"We will work diligently to assure student-athletes competing in, and visitors attending, next week’s Men’s Final Four in Indianapolis are not impacted negatively by this bill," NCAA President Mark Emmert said in a statement last week. "Moving forward, we intend to closely examine the implications of this bill and how it might affect future events as well as our workforce."

ESPN host Keith Olbermann and former NBA star Charles Barkley have both called for the NCAA to pull the Final Four games fro Indiana over the religious freedom bill.


Source

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 00:10:47
April 01 2015 00:07 GMT
#35682
On April 01 2015 08:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Rand Paul is rapidly becoming Mitt Romney 2.0. Pandering son of a father who would fight to the death for his principles.

And you can't really blame him, considering Romney won the primaries.

on the one hand, Romney, on the other, Rand Paul

uh...

I think Rand Paul loses the comparison, honestly. Definitely would be a weaker candidate going into 2016.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 01 2015 00:13 GMT
#35683
The real question is... does it matter? Unless Republicans can figure out a way for zombie Reagan to run again, or get Jesus to run, Hillary is pretty much gunna run unopposed.
liftlift > tsm
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
April 01 2015 00:45 GMT
#35684
Scott County, Indiana, the center of an exploding HIV outbreak, has been without an HIV testing center since early 2013, when the sole provider -- a Planned Parenthood clinic -- was forced to close its doors. The clinic did not offer abortion services.

The Scott County clinic and four other Planned Parenthood facilities in the state, all of which provided HIV testing and information, have shuttered since 2011, in large part due to funding cuts to the state's public health infrastructure. Those cuts came amid a national and local political campaign to demonize the health care provider. Now, the state is scrambling to erect pop-up clinics to combat an unprecedented HIV epidemic caused by intravenous drug use.

The fact that Scott County was "without a testing facility until a few weeks ago is a glaring example of the kind of public health crisis that results when prevention and testing are left unfunded," said Patti Stauffer, Planned Parenthood of Indiana and Kentucky's vice president for public policy.

Indiana's GOP-led state legislature was one of the first to declare war against Planned Parenthood in 2011, when it passed a bill that defunded the family planning provider because some of its clinics offer abortion services. A federal judge later blocked that law from going into effect, but the state has continued to slash various sources of funding to Planned Parenthood at a time when the cost of operating a medical facility continues to rise.

In 2005, Planned Parenthood of Indiana received a total of $3.3 million in funding from government contracts and grants. By 2014, that funding had dropped to $1.9 million. Five of Planned Parenthood’s smaller clinics in the state -- the health centers in Scottsburg, Madison, Richmond, Bedford and Warsaw -- were unable to keep up with the growing technology costs that were necessary to remain competitive as a medical provider. All five clinics that were forced to close had offered HIV testing. None had offered abortions.


Indiana Shut Down Its Rural Planned Parenthood Clinics And Got An HIV Outbreak

Yeah, it's Huffpo, but the reporting here is sound.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 01 2015 00:57 GMT
#35685
do hospitals in indiana not have sti testing? it seems unbelievable to me that planned parenthood could be the only HIV testing center when they likely had hospitals.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 01:01:51
April 01 2015 01:01 GMT
#35686
Each of the 5 testing centers were in very rural areas of the state, so its likely that hospitals are pretty far away, particularly for those at the highest risk of HIV infection, namely low class, impoverished young adults.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44298 Posts
April 01 2015 01:04 GMT
#35687
On April 01 2015 04:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
something i have been pondering for awhile. are the foreigners in this thread (i.e., people who list countries other than U.S.), expats? if not, i am genuinely curious why foreigners know and care so much about U.S. politics.

It's like reality tv where the idiots get to cock up on a far larger scale and then a bunch of posters swear that actually they meant to do that all along. It's a gift that keeps on giving.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
April 01 2015 01:11 GMT
#35688
On April 01 2015 10:01 farvacola wrote:
Each of the 5 testing centers were in very rural areas of the state, so its likely that hospitals are pretty far away, particularly for those at the highest risk of HIV infection, namely low class, impoverished young adults.

Not so sure about that. I just did some googling and they all have hospitals available in their towns and they were all pretty much within an hour of Indianapolis or Fort Wayne, which certainly have resources available. Chances are there are other ones closer than that too..
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 01:20:48
April 01 2015 01:18 GMT
#35689
Having grown up in Ohio, I'll say that there are literally hundreds of small, very rural towns within an hour of a major Midwestern city like Columbus or Indianapolis, many of which have medical facilities that really stretch the definition of "hospital." Scott Memorial has only 25 beds and a tarnished reputation if what I can find carries any weight, for example. It's very conceivable that these establishments might refuse to do an HIV test or simply do not have the budget or competency to understand its importance. Furthermore, look up the design of Scottsburg, IN. It's clear that access might be a problem when there are only three major public roadways lol.

Edit: Cost is definitely a factor as well.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
April 01 2015 01:18 GMT
#35690
I don't know if it is relevant but Planned Parenthood was pretty big in my area for offering free testing. Hospitals often charge a substantial fee for the blood work. I would be really surprised if it was literally impossible, I use OraQuick at home tests for HIV, but it may not be something locals were prepared to accept the financial burden for.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
April 01 2015 01:20 GMT
#35691
Scott memorial doesn't come up as a hospital that offers that service.

The next closest place for people is about 20-30 miles away from the old PP.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
April 01 2015 01:33 GMT
#35692
On April 01 2015 10:04 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 04:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
something i have been pondering for awhile. are the foreigners in this thread (i.e., people who list countries other than U.S.), expats? if not, i am genuinely curious why foreigners know and care so much about U.S. politics.

It's like reality tv where the idiots get to cock up on a far larger scale and then a bunch of posters swear that actually they meant to do that all along. It's a gift that keeps on giving.


well at least we allow or leaders to resign. xD
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2015 02:15 GMT
#35693
March 31 (Reuters) - The chief executive officer of Wal-Mart Stores Inc on Tuesday asked the governor of Arkansas to veto a religious freedom measure, saying the bill approved by lawmakers earlier in the day undermines "the spirit of inclusion" in the state.

Doug McMillon, the chief executive officer for the company based in Arkansas, in a tweet requested that Governor Asa Hutchinson, a Republican, veto the legislation.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 03:58:10
April 01 2015 03:56 GMT
#35694
This is not going to help Indiana...

An Indiana judge on Monday sentenced a 33-year-old woman, Purvi Patel, to 20 years in prison on charges of feticide and neglect of a dependent.

Patel is the first woman in Indiana to be convicted under the state’s feticide law. Activists say the case highlights the way that prosecutors across the U.S. are increasingly using laws designed to protect expecting mothers to criminalize women for terminating a pregnancy or allegedly harming an unborn child.

In 2013, Patel was arrested after seeking help in an emergency room for excessive bleeding, with an umbilical cord protruding from her vagina. She first told staff she hadn’t been pregnant but then revealed that she had given birth at her home in Granger, Indiana, according to court documents.

Patel told an investigator that she thought the fetus wasn’t alive and that she left it in a plastic bag in a dumpster outside her family home.

A police investigation recovered the fetus and charged Patel with killing her baby.

"I assumed because the baby was dead there was nothing to do," the South Bend Tribune, a local newspaper, reported she said in a police interview that was performed just hours after she was admitted to the hospital.

"I've never been in this situation. I've never been pregnant before," she allegedly told the police from the hospital while recovering from sedation and blood loss, before she had legal counsel.

Reproductive rights advocates say Patel’s case isn’t the first instance in which a woman has been accused under fetal homicide laws.

Although the laws were intended to deal with crimes against pregnant women and to target illegal abortion providers, they are increasingly used to prosecute women who miscarry, have stillbirths, try to terminate their own pregnancies or are accused of harming a fetus by taking drugs, according to Sara Ainsworth, legal director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW).

“We are gravely concerned that this case represents a trend in punishing pregnant women for their pregnancy outcomes and demonstrates that women will be targeted for terminating their pregnancies, even though abortion opponents routinely claim that if abortion were re-criminalized in the U.S., no pregnant woman would be punished,” she said.


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"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 01 2015 04:08 GMT
#35695
holy shit, she threw her baby in a dumpster.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 01 2015 04:08 GMT
#35696
The facts of that case make it a poor potential example of misuse of feticide laws.
The situation looks a lot like those rare cases where people simply abandon infants.
Also, feticide seems an odd word for the law, since the charge alleges that the infant was alive and had been born.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 01 2015 04:08 GMT
#35697
Because plastic bag and dumpster scream "innocent".
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 01 2015 04:16 GMT
#35698
that's disturbing to say the least. though i doubt she'll do 20 years. I'm pretty sure a half decent defense attorney can claim temporary insanity due to hormones and adrenaline and stuff.
liftlift > tsm
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 04:20:35
April 01 2015 04:19 GMT
#35699
On April 01 2015 13:16 wei2coolman wrote:
that's disturbing to say the least. though i doubt she'll do 20 years. I'm pretty sure a half decent defense attorney can claim temporary insanity due to hormones and adrenaline and stuff.

lol. she already lost.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 01 2015 04:21 GMT
#35700
On April 01 2015 13:16 wei2coolman wrote:
that's disturbing to say the least. though i doubt she'll do 20 years. I'm pretty sure a half decent defense attorney can claim temporary insanity due to hormones and adrenaline and stuff.

from the read, the trial is already over; though parole is pretty common.
Insanity defense works pretty rarely in general, from what I've heard (though how well it works has shifted over time, it did better aways back in the 70s or so)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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