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On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count  ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already.
Let's not forget to mention that the coverage that the newly insured are getting is largely garbage coverage, such that these individuals are often only insured in a nominal sense.
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On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already.
I am inclined to have a bet over this :
Imho one of two Things will happen:
1: Either you will keep Obamacare beacuse you can't get anything else thru the houses, but also no one wants to go back to "pre Obamacare". (Obamacare = Better than what you had before)
2: You will Change obamacare over the years via reforms into something more "socialist". Which just wasn't possible with the republicans at the time of Obama (Obamacare = the start of something good).
If universal healthcare sticks around in some form, Obamacare will be seen as the start of it. With time people, like in about any developed country in the world, will see universal healthcare as something "natural".
I somehow feel like you'll eventually end up with a system like the Swiss one, I feel it would fit kinda nicely with american mentality/idea and allready has many similarities anyway.
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insurance isn't really the proper evil here, or at least the companies. the structure of providing services through insurance is to blame for broken cost accounting, on both doctor side and patient side, but insurance profits isn't that high. they are just a wasteful industry to exist in the first place.
the basic cost problem is that people are getting too expensive of treatments at too great quantity, a lot of equipments are unnecessarily expensive due to restriction to supply (as befit a cartelist strategy) and practitioners are controlled by a professional cartel.
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On November 06 2014 00:34 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already. I am inclined to have a bet over this : Imho one of two Things will happen: 1: Either you will keep Obamacare beacuse you can't get anything else thru the houses, but also no one wants to go back to "pre Obamacare". (Obamacare = Better than what you had before) 2: You will Change obamacare over the years via reforms into something more "socialist". Which just wasn't possible with the republicans at the time of Obama (Obamacare = the start of something good). If universal healthcare sticks around in some form, Obamacare will be seen as the start of it. With time people, like in about any developed country in the world, will see universal healthcare as something "natural". I somehow feel like you'll eventually end up with a system like the Swiss one, I feel it would fit kinda nicely with american mentality/idea and allready has many similarities anyway.
No there is nothing to bet. Universal healthcare is not obamacare. Obamacare is not the 'start' of universal healthcare. If universal healthcare does become a reality, it will be in spite of obamacare and a complete repudiation of it. Obamacare is NOT better than what we had before for a majority of people. It is more expensive, the plans are crap, and the healthcare people receive will remain compeltely the same if not get worse due to more high quality doctors not accepting low obamacare insurance payments for their services. Get a clue, dude.
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California approved a major shift against mass incarceration on Tuesday in a vote that could lead to the release of thousands of state prisoners.
Nonviolent felonies like shoplifting and drug possession will be downgraded to misdemeanors under the ballot measure, Proposition 47. As many as 10,000 people could be eligible for early release from state prisons, and it's expected that courts will annually dispense around 40,000 fewer felony convictions.
The state Legislative Analyst's Office estimates that the new measure will save hundreds of millions of dollars on prisons. That money is to be redirected to education, mental health and addiction services -- a novel approach that reformers hope will serve as a model in the larger push against mass incarceration.
The approval of the ballot measure could also help California grapple with massive overcrowding in its state prisons, which are still struggling to release enough inmates to comply with a 2011 U.S. Supreme Court order.
Although California once led the nation in tough-on-crime policies, like the state's infamous three-strikes felony law, Proposition 47 has led in every poll conducted since it was certified in June. The measure's supporters have been an eclectic bunch, from conservatives like Newt Gingrich and business tycoon B. Wayne Hughes Jr. to liberal performers like John Legend and Jay-Z.
The most vocal opponents of Proposition 47 were law enforcement officials who warned that the measure could make it harder to prosecute felony gun theft or possession of date-rape drugs.
At the same time, a few scattered law-and-order voices, like San Francisco District Attorney George Gascón, did come out in favor of the proposition, dismissing those concerns.
Reformers also vastly outspent law enforcement officials and their allies. The main coalition in favor of Proposition 47 raised $7 million as of mid-October, buoyed by contributions from the likes of Hughes, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings and a foundation backed by the financier George Soros.
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On November 06 2014 00:50 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 00:34 Velr wrote:On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already. I am inclined to have a bet over this : Imho one of two Things will happen: 1: Either you will keep Obamacare beacuse you can't get anything else thru the houses, but also no one wants to go back to "pre Obamacare". (Obamacare = Better than what you had before) 2: You will Change obamacare over the years via reforms into something more "socialist". Which just wasn't possible with the republicans at the time of Obama (Obamacare = the start of something good). If universal healthcare sticks around in some form, Obamacare will be seen as the start of it. With time people, like in about any developed country in the world, will see universal healthcare as something "natural". I somehow feel like you'll eventually end up with a system like the Swiss one, I feel it would fit kinda nicely with american mentality/idea and allready has many similarities anyway. No there is nothing to bet. Universal healthcare is not obamacare. Obamacare is not the 'start' of universal healthcare. If universal healthcare does become a reality, it will be in spite of obamacare and a complete repudiation of it. Obamacare is NOT better than what we had before for a majority of people. It is more expensive, the plans are crap, and the healthcare people receive will remain compeltely the same if not get worse due to more high quality doctors not accepting low obamacare insurance payments for their services. Get a clue, dude.
Everyone outside the US and a large portion inside the US would like to disagree with you.
Oh and lets not forget that Obamacare was a compromise from the get-go in an attempt to get the Republicans on board, If the Democrats could have gotten a full Universal healthcare through congress they would have gladly done so.
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It was a compromise from the get-go when at the get-go it was only considered because democrats had a super majority and thought they had a cycle to use it on something?
I don't know what papers you were reading but there was never a chance that republicans were going to vote for obamacare.It was a compromise to get "blue dog democrats" on board and even then they couldn't get it out before scot brown came in the special election about obamacare.
If you can't attribute the failures of obamacare to the political failings of the democrats and obama then you're completely delusional.
That it was descended from Mitt romney's healthcare plan in mass is what you probably ment to say to be fair.
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Bush Jr. will be remembered for just how transformational his administration was in foreign aid in the developing world, particularly Africa in areas including health and HIV/AIDS...and the Iraq/Afghan Wars.
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On November 06 2014 01:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 00:50 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:34 Velr wrote:On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already. I am inclined to have a bet over this : Imho one of two Things will happen: 1: Either you will keep Obamacare beacuse you can't get anything else thru the houses, but also no one wants to go back to "pre Obamacare". (Obamacare = Better than what you had before) 2: You will Change obamacare over the years via reforms into something more "socialist". Which just wasn't possible with the republicans at the time of Obama (Obamacare = the start of something good). If universal healthcare sticks around in some form, Obamacare will be seen as the start of it. With time people, like in about any developed country in the world, will see universal healthcare as something "natural". I somehow feel like you'll eventually end up with a system like the Swiss one, I feel it would fit kinda nicely with american mentality/idea and allready has many similarities anyway. No there is nothing to bet. Universal healthcare is not obamacare. Obamacare is not the 'start' of universal healthcare. If universal healthcare does become a reality, it will be in spite of obamacare and a complete repudiation of it. Obamacare is NOT better than what we had before for a majority of people. It is more expensive, the plans are crap, and the healthcare people receive will remain compeltely the same if not get worse due to more high quality doctors not accepting low obamacare insurance payments for their services. Get a clue, dude. Everyone outside the US and a large portion inside the US would like to disagree with you. Oh and lets not forget that Obamacare was a compromise from the get-go in an attempt to get the Republicans on board, If the Democrats could have gotten a full Universal healthcare through congress they would have gladly done so.
Wow how clueless can you be. Democrats receive so much money from insurance company lobbyists. The last thing democrats would do is grant actual universal healthcare and put their donors out of business. Seriously, you put too much blind faith in human beings to do the right thing. As stated before, obamacare was designed behind closed doors by DEMOCRATS in cahoots with insurance company lobbyists and is nothing more than a massive cash grab for insurance companies and an easy way for democrats to claim that they did "something." Quit being so partisan and look at the actual law and what it entails. Also, "everyone outside the US," is like over 5 billion people. You make no sense. Give it a break.
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On November 06 2014 02:06 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 01:20 Gorsameth wrote:On November 06 2014 00:50 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:34 Velr wrote:On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already. I am inclined to have a bet over this : Imho one of two Things will happen: 1: Either you will keep Obamacare beacuse you can't get anything else thru the houses, but also no one wants to go back to "pre Obamacare". (Obamacare = Better than what you had before) 2: You will Change obamacare over the years via reforms into something more "socialist". Which just wasn't possible with the republicans at the time of Obama (Obamacare = the start of something good). If universal healthcare sticks around in some form, Obamacare will be seen as the start of it. With time people, like in about any developed country in the world, will see universal healthcare as something "natural". I somehow feel like you'll eventually end up with a system like the Swiss one, I feel it would fit kinda nicely with american mentality/idea and allready has many similarities anyway. No there is nothing to bet. Universal healthcare is not obamacare. Obamacare is not the 'start' of universal healthcare. If universal healthcare does become a reality, it will be in spite of obamacare and a complete repudiation of it. Obamacare is NOT better than what we had before for a majority of people. It is more expensive, the plans are crap, and the healthcare people receive will remain compeltely the same if not get worse due to more high quality doctors not accepting low obamacare insurance payments for their services. Get a clue, dude. Everyone outside the US and a large portion inside the US would like to disagree with you. Oh and lets not forget that Obamacare was a compromise from the get-go in an attempt to get the Republicans on board, If the Democrats could have gotten a full Universal healthcare through congress they would have gladly done so. Wow how clueless can you be. Democrats receive so much money from insurance company lobbyists. The last thing democrats would do is grant actual universal healthcare and put their donors out of business. Seriously, you put too much blind faith in human beings to do the right thing. As stated before, obamacare was designed behind closed doors by DEMOCRATS in cahoots with insurance company lobbyists and is nothing more than a massive cash grab for insurance companies and an easy way for democrats to claim that they did "something." Quit being so partisan and look at the actual law and what it entails. Also, "everyone outside the US," is like over 5 billion people. You make no sense. Give it a break.
thanks for distilling those fox news talking points dog. I am sure some Europeans who dont bother watching the channel appreciate it.
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On November 05 2014 21:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 20:31 coverpunch wrote:On November 05 2014 19:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
So I keep hearing Republicans talking about how they are going to "Turn the economy around".....?
I know the growth isn't miraculous but it's growth... Do they mean they want to go back to losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month, or just generally shrinking the economy?
Or do they just not mean that they want to "turn the economy around"? Like who? Also, you are not Jon Stewart. Please don't try snark. SourceSourceShow nested quote +“At tonight’s debate, Thom discussed his solutions for turning our economy around SourceShow nested quote +Joni Ernst spokesperson Gretchen Hamel said. “As Iowa’s next U.S. Senator, Joni will help turn our nation’s economy around SourceI suppose you are right about it being more effective with a video montage intro... Probably harder to find a republican who hasn't said it? Were you not aware this is common rhetoric lately?
Umm, are you trying to be cheeky or do you really not know what they mean by turnaround?
DEFINITION of 'Turnaround'
The financial recovery of a company that has been performing poorly for an extended time.
The economy has been poorly performing for an extended period of time. Wage growth has been lackluster along with sub-par growth and job creation. So they want to make the economy go from 'bad' to 'good'. It's a very simple message, and it clearly resonated with a lot of voters.
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Whether or not the Republican message insofar as the economy is concerned resonated with voters is not actually that clear; in fact, given the popularity of political perspectives that turn on an opposition to Obama, I think it is arguable that other factors resonated more so.
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On November 06 2014 02:19 farvacola wrote:
Whether or not the Republican message insofar as the economy is concerned resonated with voters is not actually that clear; in fact, given the popularity of political perspectives that turn on an opposition to Obama, I think it is arguable that other factors resonated more so.
People didn't interpret 'turnaround' to mean 'send the economy into a new recession' for sure
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On November 06 2014 02:09 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 02:06 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 01:20 Gorsameth wrote:On November 06 2014 00:50 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:34 Velr wrote:On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already. I am inclined to have a bet over this : Imho one of two Things will happen: 1: Either you will keep Obamacare beacuse you can't get anything else thru the houses, but also no one wants to go back to "pre Obamacare". (Obamacare = Better than what you had before) 2: You will Change obamacare over the years via reforms into something more "socialist". Which just wasn't possible with the republicans at the time of Obama (Obamacare = the start of something good). If universal healthcare sticks around in some form, Obamacare will be seen as the start of it. With time people, like in about any developed country in the world, will see universal healthcare as something "natural". I somehow feel like you'll eventually end up with a system like the Swiss one, I feel it would fit kinda nicely with american mentality/idea and allready has many similarities anyway. No there is nothing to bet. Universal healthcare is not obamacare. Obamacare is not the 'start' of universal healthcare. If universal healthcare does become a reality, it will be in spite of obamacare and a complete repudiation of it. Obamacare is NOT better than what we had before for a majority of people. It is more expensive, the plans are crap, and the healthcare people receive will remain compeltely the same if not get worse due to more high quality doctors not accepting low obamacare insurance payments for their services. Get a clue, dude. Everyone outside the US and a large portion inside the US would like to disagree with you. Oh and lets not forget that Obamacare was a compromise from the get-go in an attempt to get the Republicans on board, If the Democrats could have gotten a full Universal healthcare through congress they would have gladly done so. Wow how clueless can you be. Democrats receive so much money from insurance company lobbyists. The last thing democrats would do is grant actual universal healthcare and put their donors out of business. Seriously, you put too much blind faith in human beings to do the right thing. As stated before, obamacare was designed behind closed doors by DEMOCRATS in cahoots with insurance company lobbyists and is nothing more than a massive cash grab for insurance companies and an easy way for democrats to claim that they did "something." Quit being so partisan and look at the actual law and what it entails. Also, "everyone outside the US," is like over 5 billion people. You make no sense. Give it a break. thanks for distilling those fox news talking points dog. I am sure some Europeans who dont bother watching the channel appreciate it.
They aren't talking points, bro. It is the truth. There was 0 compromise with republicans on Obamacare. Obamacare is the exact law that the democrats and Obama wanted it to be.
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So,
Does the outcome of this election mean that the next president will be a republican or is it all open and will a new democratic candidate (Hillary?) still have a chance?
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On November 06 2014 02:38 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 02:09 Sub40APM wrote:On November 06 2014 02:06 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 01:20 Gorsameth wrote:On November 06 2014 00:50 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:34 Velr wrote:On November 06 2014 00:24 johnbongham wrote:On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...) Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already. I am inclined to have a bet over this : Imho one of two Things will happen: 1: Either you will keep Obamacare beacuse you can't get anything else thru the houses, but also no one wants to go back to "pre Obamacare". (Obamacare = Better than what you had before) 2: You will Change obamacare over the years via reforms into something more "socialist". Which just wasn't possible with the republicans at the time of Obama (Obamacare = the start of something good). If universal healthcare sticks around in some form, Obamacare will be seen as the start of it. With time people, like in about any developed country in the world, will see universal healthcare as something "natural". I somehow feel like you'll eventually end up with a system like the Swiss one, I feel it would fit kinda nicely with american mentality/idea and allready has many similarities anyway. No there is nothing to bet. Universal healthcare is not obamacare. Obamacare is not the 'start' of universal healthcare. If universal healthcare does become a reality, it will be in spite of obamacare and a complete repudiation of it. Obamacare is NOT better than what we had before for a majority of people. It is more expensive, the plans are crap, and the healthcare people receive will remain compeltely the same if not get worse due to more high quality doctors not accepting low obamacare insurance payments for their services. Get a clue, dude. Everyone outside the US and a large portion inside the US would like to disagree with you. Oh and lets not forget that Obamacare was a compromise from the get-go in an attempt to get the Republicans on board, If the Democrats could have gotten a full Universal healthcare through congress they would have gladly done so. Wow how clueless can you be. Democrats receive so much money from insurance company lobbyists. The last thing democrats would do is grant actual universal healthcare and put their donors out of business. Seriously, you put too much blind faith in human beings to do the right thing. As stated before, obamacare was designed behind closed doors by DEMOCRATS in cahoots with insurance company lobbyists and is nothing more than a massive cash grab for insurance companies and an easy way for democrats to claim that they did "something." Quit being so partisan and look at the actual law and what it entails. Also, "everyone outside the US," is like over 5 billion people. You make no sense. Give it a break. thanks for distilling those fox news talking points dog. I am sure some Europeans who dont bother watching the channel appreciate it. They aren't talking points, bro. It is the truth. There was 0 compromise with republicans on Obamacare. Obamacare is the exact law that the democrats and Obama wanted it to be.
But its not. they had to compromise and build it for a year trying to unite all their coalition around something that would define the parties future for a generation. The democrats that won their seats in the 2006-2008 waves were much more conservative then their compatriots that survived the 1993 wave and the legislative machine that the post Reagan GOP built. Ironically these "blue dog democrats" doomed the whole exercise and when scot brown won the special election the dems had to push through the monstrosity that we have today.
Were weren't that far away from a government option on the marketplace competing with corporations.
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On November 06 2014 03:10 Rassy wrote:
So,
Does the outcome of this election mean that the next president will be a republican or is it all open and will a new democratic candidate (Hillary?) still have a chance?
Midterm elections almost always turn against the incumbent party. I think there were only a couple midterms under FDR that saw incumbent gains. It doesn't generally predict anything for 2016. Presidential elections are significantly different.
2016 will really depend on how the Republicans develop their message without Obama, and tailor it to appeal to moderates.
Which I don't think is likely, with the continued drift of the Republicans towards the "Tea Party" wing. At any rate, the Republicans will need to drop social issues (which are becoming an increasingly painful thorn for them) for 2016, if they want to stand a chance.
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On November 06 2014 03:10 Rassy wrote:
So,
Does the outcome of this election mean that the next president will be a republican or is it all open and will a new democratic candidate (Hillary?) still have a chance?
The 2016 general election will be more decided by the state of the economy than who won in 2014. As it's nearing the end of the business cycle, the candidate will have a harder time depending how deep the recession is.
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On November 06 2014 03:10 Rassy wrote:
So,
Does the outcome of this election mean that the next president will be a republican or is it all open and will a new democratic candidate (Hillary?) still have a chance?
The results from one election have no standing on the results from the next, Kinda. Every 2 years there's a new election for every person in the house of representatives and a third of the senate. Presidential elections are electorally based and they're fresh every 4 years to cast their votes for whoever they feel like (although they tend to vote for the guy who got them the job).
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On November 06 2014 03:20 Wolfstan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 03:10 Rassy wrote:
So,
Does the outcome of this election mean that the next president will be a republican or is it all open and will a new democratic candidate (Hillary?) still have a chance? The 2016 general election will be more decided by the state of the economy than who won in 2014. As it's nearing the end of the business cycle, the candidate will have a harder time depending how deep the recession is.
Question mark, question mark. Which candidate and what business cycle.
The US economy by 2016 should continue to recover, there's no major shocks on the horizon that are likely to disrupt it. The economy will still be important, but I suspect it'll be more about wages, wealth distribution/social stratification, and social mobility, as opposed to unemployment.
2016 will probably have a host of issues on the table, with the economy's importance minimizing as the economy continues to recover. Education will probably be a hot topic (it already has been in quite a few 2014 elections). Immigration reform will depend on how the next few years go.
(sidenote, I find it very interesting that undocumented migration has been a hot topic this mid election, when net migration from Mexico has fallen below 0 since 2012, with the disruptive effects of NAFTA on the Mexican economy and its subsequent migratory increases finally shifting into an outflow of undocumented migrants)
Sidenote: It's quite sad. Bush Jr. could've been a fantastic president without 9/11, if he had been allowed to focus on domestic issues like education, as he had planned, in conjunction with his energetic foreign assistance programs for developing countries. It's kind of like Carter, really.
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