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On November 05 2014 13:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Pretty much. Expect Ted Cruz to not endorse McConnell who will become the Senate version of Boehner. Then around the Spring/Summer of 2015 expect hearings to start. Ya know those type of hearings...
Here's the thing, while I have no doubt the Republicans will probably take it too far and spend too much time on things that could be better spent elsewhere, the Senate doing it's job and actually doing oversight is a check on continuing expansion of executive powers (by both parties). Congress has voluntarily ceded power to the Executive for way too long.
Now if we could only get them to do it when a President of the same party is in office...
I think it's a potentially good development (if he lives up to his past statements) that McConnell has promised to reinstate the committee and open amendment process to the Senate legislative process. In the past 20 years the Senate has become a glorified version of the House as more former House members have been elected to the body. It's hurt the Senate's traditional and vital role as a moderating check on the simple majority rules of the House. I know it's a bit wonkish to get into the minutiae of Senate rules, but this stuff is important.
Granted, I'll believe it when I see it.
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So I keep hearing Republicans talking about how they are going to "Turn the economy around".....?
I know the growth isn't miraculous but it's growth... Do they mean they want to go back to losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month, or just generally shrinking the economy?
Or do they just not mean that they want to "turn the economy around"?
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On November 05 2014 19:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
So I keep hearing Republicans talking about how they are going to "Turn the economy around".....?
I know the growth isn't miraculous but it's growth... Do they mean they want to go back to losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month, or just generally shrinking the economy?
Or do they just not mean that they want to "turn the economy around"?
Like who?
Also, you are not Jon Stewart. Please don't try snark.
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On November 05 2014 18:18 IgnE wrote:
Dr. King was protesting an apartheid state. Hardly a nationalist. But it's funny how conservatives co-opt King after his death. "We were with King all along."
For starters, I'm no conservative. Secondly, I'm saying there's nothing wrong with patriotism, in its place, or even King-style American exceptionalism (belief in the exceptional nature of the US as a nation of ideals, and the value of those ideals).
Also, in defense of at least some conservatives, McConnell was a Civil Rights activist in the 60s. And are you really attacking the ones who did change their minds for having done so? I thought the idea of argument was supposed to be discourse for the purpose of changing minds. The fact that the US was highly divided on this issue 50 years ago and has unanimous assent today is a remarkable thing, and a testament to what King accomplished.
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On November 05 2014 20:31 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 19:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
So I keep hearing Republicans talking about how they are going to "Turn the economy around".....?
I know the growth isn't miraculous but it's growth... Do they mean they want to go back to losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month, or just generally shrinking the economy?
Or do they just not mean that they want to "turn the economy around"? Like who? Also, you are not Jon Stewart. Please don't try snark.
economic policies that will turn things around
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American private sector job creation and turn the economy around.
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“At tonight’s debate, Thom discussed his solutions for turning our economy around
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Joni Ernst spokesperson Gretchen Hamel said. “As Iowa’s next U.S. Senator, Joni will help turn our nation’s economy around
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I suppose you are right about it being more effective with a video montage intro...
Probably harder to find a republican who hasn't said it?
Were you not aware this is common rhetoric lately?
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I can't believe how far off so many of the polls were and how uncompetitive so many of the races were. Georgia, Kentucky, Kansas, Iowa, South Dakota were at least supposed to be remotely competitive but we're all blowouts
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On November 05 2014 18:56 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 13:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Pretty much. Expect Ted Cruz to not endorse McConnell who will become the Senate version of Boehner. Then around the Spring/Summer of 2015 expect hearings to start. Ya know those type of hearings... Here's the thing, while I have no doubt the Republicans will probably take it too far and spend too much time on things that could be better spent elsewhere, the Senate doing it's job and actually doing oversight is a check on continuing expansion of executive powers (by both parties). Congress has voluntarily ceded power to the Executive for way too long. Now if we could only get them to do it when a President of the same party is in office... I think it's a potentially good development (if he lives up to his past statements) that McConnell has promised to reinstate the committee and open amendment process to the Senate legislative process. In the past 20 years the Senate has become a glorified version of the House as more former House members have been elected to the body. It's hurt the Senate's traditional and vital role as a moderating check on the simple majority rules of the House. I know it's a bit wonkish to get into the minutiae of Senate rules, but this stuff is important. Granted, I'll believe it when I see it.
keeping check of executive power is this abstract goal that, while sounding important as all life depends on it, should be seen within the context of political nonfunction. the government is just not working literally.
but i suppose if by some happenstance a truly unhinged individual gets elected president, that's when we'll see severe problems. looking at you teddy cruz
and yea obviously nationalism is a great evil.
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On November 05 2014 21:59 KOFgokuon wrote:
I can't believe how far off so many of the polls were and how uncompetitive so many of the races were. Georgia, Kentucky, Kansas, Iowa, South Dakota were at least supposed to be remotely competitive but we're all blowouts
which just shows how meaningless most polls are, way to many factors that have a large impact on the day itself.
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And to finish from last night: Alaska approves Legalization.
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Not really a big surprise that republicans won big last night. I suppose that there's an outside chance that Obama will want to come to the table and work with republicans in an attempt to salvage something of his legacy. Unfortunately, I think the smarter bet is that there will be two years of presidential petulance.
yay.
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If you thought House Speaker John Boehner has had a miserable time trying to govern, wait until you see what incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is about to deal with.
The Kentucky Republican achieved his lifelong dream on Tuesday night in a massive victory for his party, and is positioned to move into Sen. Harry Reid's ornate suite in the Capitol when the next Congress convenes on Jan. 3.
But it is likely to be a short honeymoon.
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, the influential tea party firebrand, is poised to make life very difficult for the old-school Kentuckian by harnessing the power of the GOP base's rightward drift to wage fierce battles with President Barack Obama.
Cruz telegraphed his strategy in a post-election interview Tuesday night on Fox News, calling on Republicans to do whatever it takes to repeal Obamacare and and prevent Obama's upcoming executive actions on immigration.
"The two biggest issues nationwide were, number one, stopping the train wreck that is Obamacare; number two, stopping the president from illegally granting amnesty," Cruz said.
He also appeared on CNN and declined to voice support for McConnell as majority leader, calling that "a decision for the conference to answer next week."
The Class of 2014 features many younger conservatives who owe their rise to the GOP's right flank, including Iowa's Joni Ernst, Arkansas's Tom Cotton and Nebraska's Ben Sasse. Along with the other conservatives who won Senate seats in 2010 and 2012, they'll be a robust bloc, with considerable influence.
"Cruz is gonna be using his national base to put relentless pressure on McConnell," said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar with the American Enterprise Institute.
"I've never seen a guy so despised by a vast majority of his caucus — they hate Cruz. They see Cruz as completely out for himself. But let's face it if he's out there inciting the base, and talk radio guys and blog people ... that's going to be difficult for them," Ornstein said.
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On November 05 2014 23:26 xDaunt wrote:
Not really a big surprise that republicans won big last night. I suppose that there's an outside chance that Obama will want to come to the table and work with republicans in an attempt to salvage something of his legacy. Unfortunately, I think the smarter bet is that there will be two years of presidential petulance.
yay.
His legacy will be Obamacare.
No matter what happens in the next 2 years, in the end this will be THE thing he will be remembered for. Republicans made sure ot that by "slandering" it as "Obamacare" in the first place.
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On November 05 2014 23:39 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 23:26 xDaunt wrote:
Not really a big surprise that republicans won big last night. I suppose that there's an outside chance that Obama will want to come to the table and work with republicans in an attempt to salvage something of his legacy. Unfortunately, I think the smarter bet is that there will be two years of presidential petulance.
yay. His legacy will be Obamacare. No matter what happens in the next 2 years, in the end this will be THE thing he will be remembered for. Republicans made sure ot that by "slandering" it as "Obamacare" in the first place.
Obama certainly earned that stigma. That's what happens when you insist upon passing unpopular legislation that no one really wants. Regardless, I suspect that Obama is out of touch with his popular image. I really think that he has deluded himself into thinking that he's more beloved than he actually is. He's as insular of a president as we've had in a very long time.Thus, I'm not sure that he actually cares to do anything about his legacy because I don't think he believes that there's a problem with it.
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In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad.
The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was.
Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count  ...)
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On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which isn't a good president, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could Count ...)
Just because I rightly point out that Obama is a terrible president doesn't mean that I think that either Bush was a good one. The first Bush was a political boob despite being the most "qualified" president on paper that we've probably ever had. The second Bush certainly had a rough outing in his first term, but he turned into a very effective president by the end of his second. I certainly did not and do not agree with all of Bush's policies, but it is undeniable that Bush showed a flare and competency for governance that simply eludes Obama.
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I think if we can cut military spending by 5-10%, like decommissioning some of the carriers/nuclear subs, shut down some over-sea military bases, decrease from droning the middle east every minute to 60 minutes, we can have enough money for a true universal healthcare. None of this Obamacare bullshit.
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And no, I do not foresee Obamacare becoming more popular as the years go by.
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Bush Jr became a moderate almost overnight when he realized Cheney would be remembered as his Presidential legacy especially with the economic recession happening, the Iraq War etc. It was a classic example of too little, too late. Example being he is the only President that isn't mentioned by his party and is never invited to fundraisers, Primary events etc.
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On November 06 2014 00:08 Velr wrote:In 20 years, assuming Obamacare is still going (which is more likely than not), it will not be seen as something bad. The bad things about it will be forgotten, what will be left is the improvement it brought. Seriously, Obamacare in the Long run, will most likely, be seen as a good thing. No matter how much you hate it now, no matter how big of a fiasco the Initial release was. Btw: What exactly are the Bushs legacies? Going into stupid wars and accumulating record debt? Your view on Obama, which I don't see as a good president myself, seems to be a bit narrow. There have been other presidents that were worse. The one right before him as an example was worse and wouldn't have gotten a second term if not for "lucky" 9/11 (or if you could count ...)
Obamacare will never be seen as a good thing. Actually, as soon as the majority of people realize that Obamacare is nothing more than a government mandated cash grab for big insurance companies its popularity is going to vaporize if it hasn't already.
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On November 06 2014 00:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bush Jr became a moderate almost overnight when he realized Cheney would be remembered as his Presidential legacy especially with the economic recession happening, the Iraq War etc. It was a classic example of too little, too late. Example being he is the only President that isn't mentioned by his party and is never invited to fundraisers, Primary events etc.
W was fairly moderate from the get go. That was the whole point of "compassionate conservatism" and the reason that W became so reviled by his conservative base.
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