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On November 05 2014 06:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:27 wei2coolman wrote:On November 05 2014 06:24 oneofthem wrote:
well i'm not sure if obama's prior or post ISIS policies were right, and the important part was mostly prior with the syria business, but if anything that list of incidents just highlights the eventful couple of years this administration went through.
it's like gettingi thrown into a washing machine while they are trying to paint a watercolor. there's also the whole government shutdown business that evidently didn't cost republicans much. most of the criticisms of obama's policies were pre ISIS, in regards to handling syria. But, I've always thought that was sort of silly, because the proposed policies that obama "should" have enacted would have looked fucking absurd to the general public at that time, because the threat wasn't well known. I'm willing to give Obama a bit of a pass on his pre-ISIS handling of Syria. However, his overall bungling of Middle East policy, most of which predates ISIS, has been astonishing. And this isn't really a partisan argument, either. He's just been objectively bad at foreign relations, which is why he has attracted so much flak from foreign countries and even publications that are inclined to be friendly towards him (notably, Foreign Policy). EDIT: Let me just clarify the first sentence regarding the pass for Obama's handling of pre-ISIS Syria. What I mean to say is that I don't blame him for the rise of ISIS is in Syria. I do blame him for other stupid shit that he did though, like drawing red lines that he had no intention of enforcing.
how did drawing red lines affect ISIS? Or are you one of those people who thought the US army should act like the enforcement arm of Malikis corrupt sectarian regime?
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On November 05 2014 06:51 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:48 xDaunt wrote:On November 05 2014 06:27 wei2coolman wrote:On November 05 2014 06:24 oneofthem wrote:
well i'm not sure if obama's prior or post ISIS policies were right, and the important part was mostly prior with the syria business, but if anything that list of incidents just highlights the eventful couple of years this administration went through.
it's like gettingi thrown into a washing machine while they are trying to paint a watercolor. there's also the whole government shutdown business that evidently didn't cost republicans much. most of the criticisms of obama's policies were pre ISIS, in regards to handling syria. But, I've always thought that was sort of silly, because the proposed policies that obama "should" have enacted would have looked fucking absurd to the general public at that time, because the threat wasn't well known. I'm willing to give Obama a bit of a pass on his pre-ISIS handling of Syria. However, his overall bungling of Middle East policy, most of which predates ISIS, has been astonishing. And this isn't really a partisan argument, either. He's just been objectively bad at foreign relations, which is why he has attracted so much flak from foreign countries and even publications that are inclined to be friendly towards him (notably, Foreign Policy). EDIT: Let me just clarify the first sentence regarding the pass for Obama's handling of pre-ISIS Syria. What I mean to say is that I don't blame him for the rise of ISIS is in Syria. I do blame him for other stupid shit that he did though, like drawing red lines that he had no intention of enforcing. how did drawing red lines affect ISIS? Or are you one of those people who thought the US army should act like the enforcement arm of Malikis corrupt sectarian regime?
It didn't affect ISIS per se, and I sure as shit don't want the US military to be involved in Syria. My point (which I have argued at length probably three times in this thread and others) is that Obama shouldn't have drawn the red line to begin with. The whole incident caused all sorts of complications and problems with regards to foreign relations with other countries.
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But what kind of complications did it lead to? I would really appreciate an elaboration, because from where I sat the only people who seemed genuinely pissed were the terrorist sponsors in Turkey and Qatar.
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the whole middle eastern mess is just a huge distraction for the u.s.
turkey acting up? let the euros handle it. especially with the palestinian love over there.
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Polls starting to close on the East Coast.
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Neo-socialist party off to an early lead.
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On November 05 2014 09:01 IgnE wrote:
Neo-socialist party off to an early lead.
what neo-socialist party? Do you have something like that in the US? Always thought you guys had right wingers and nationalist nutjobs
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didn't even vote lol but my house district didn't even have a republican candidate.
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VA too close to call is bad news for dems.
But if it goes like the last 3 statewide elections... the heavy Dem areas report last. Portsmouth/Norfolk/Fairfax. They come in hours later than everyone else.
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If the GOP takes the Senate expect Obama to pull the executive action trigger on Immigration right after Thanksgiving forcing the Republicans to trash it and either accept it or try and repeal it.
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Federal District Court judge Daniel Crabtree ruled Kansas' gay marriage ban unconstitutional on Tuesday.
Crabtree issued a hold on his ruling, so same-sex marriages cannot begin immediately. Dr. Robert Moser, Secretary of Kansas' Department of Health and Environment, can appeal the court's decision until 5 p.m. CST on Nov. 11.
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Why do they keep trying to ban gay marriage if they know that it's going to be struck down anyway?
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On November 05 2014 10:15 Nyxisto wrote:
Why do they keep trying to ban gay marriage if they know that it's going to be struck down anyway?
Because its fun to waste the courts time and spend large amounts of money on lawyers.
Mostly its about silly politicians trying to appease a voter base who live in the 19th century.
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On November 05 2014 10:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If the GOP takes the Senate expect Obama to pull the executive action trigger on Immigration right after Thanksgiving forcing the Republicans to trash it and either accept it or try and repeal it.
their dilly dalliance over immigration as appeasement to republicans can't continue forever. the demographic strategy is after all the most persuasive one, established in facts and all.
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Republicans takes both Senate seats in Ark.
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Scott Brown loses. I'm sure he's packing his bags to move to a 3rd state to run once more years from now. Carpetbagger.
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Clay Aiken loses. Wolf defeats Corbett for Governor of PA.
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Arkansas, Nebraska and Illinois vote to raise the minimum wage.
Also the GOP will fail to flip the Kentucky State House. This time around.
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Florida medical marijuana ballot initiative fails to meet required 60 percent. Welcome to the idiotic election rules that is Florida.
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