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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 04 2014 21:51 GMT
#27921
On November 05 2014 06:48 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:27 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:24 oneofthem wrote:
well i'm not sure if obama's prior or post ISIS policies were right, and the important part was mostly prior with the syria business, but if anything that list of incidents just highlights the eventful couple of years this administration went through.

it's like gettingi thrown into a washing machine while they are trying to paint a watercolor. there's also the whole government shutdown business that evidently didn't cost republicans much.

most of the criticisms of obama's policies were pre ISIS, in regards to handling syria. But, I've always thought that was sort of silly, because the proposed policies that obama "should" have enacted would have looked fucking absurd to the general public at that time, because the threat wasn't well known.

I'm willing to give Obama a bit of a pass on his pre-ISIS handling of Syria. However, his overall bungling of Middle East policy, most of which predates ISIS, has been astonishing. And this isn't really a partisan argument, either. He's just been objectively bad at foreign relations, which is why he has attracted so much flak from foreign countries and even publications that are inclined to be friendly towards him (notably, Foreign Policy).

EDIT: Let me just clarify the first sentence regarding the pass for Obama's handling of pre-ISIS Syria. What I mean to say is that I don't blame him for the rise of ISIS is in Syria. I do blame him for other stupid shit that he did though, like drawing red lines that he had no intention of enforcing.

how did drawing red lines affect ISIS? Or are you one of those people who thought the US army should act like the enforcement arm of Malikis corrupt sectarian regime?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-04 22:14:48
November 04 2014 21:54 GMT
#27922
On November 05 2014 06:51 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:48 xDaunt wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:27 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:24 oneofthem wrote:
well i'm not sure if obama's prior or post ISIS policies were right, and the important part was mostly prior with the syria business, but if anything that list of incidents just highlights the eventful couple of years this administration went through.

it's like gettingi thrown into a washing machine while they are trying to paint a watercolor. there's also the whole government shutdown business that evidently didn't cost republicans much.

most of the criticisms of obama's policies were pre ISIS, in regards to handling syria. But, I've always thought that was sort of silly, because the proposed policies that obama "should" have enacted would have looked fucking absurd to the general public at that time, because the threat wasn't well known.

I'm willing to give Obama a bit of a pass on his pre-ISIS handling of Syria. However, his overall bungling of Middle East policy, most of which predates ISIS, has been astonishing. And this isn't really a partisan argument, either. He's just been objectively bad at foreign relations, which is why he has attracted so much flak from foreign countries and even publications that are inclined to be friendly towards him (notably, Foreign Policy).

EDIT: Let me just clarify the first sentence regarding the pass for Obama's handling of pre-ISIS Syria. What I mean to say is that I don't blame him for the rise of ISIS is in Syria. I do blame him for other stupid shit that he did though, like drawing red lines that he had no intention of enforcing.

how did drawing red lines affect ISIS? Or are you one of those people who thought the US army should act like the enforcement arm of Malikis corrupt sectarian regime?

It didn't affect ISIS per se, and I sure as shit don't want the US military to be involved in Syria. My point (which I have argued at length probably three times in this thread and others) is that Obama shouldn't have drawn the red line to begin with. The whole incident caused all sorts of complications and problems with regards to foreign relations with other countries.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 04 2014 22:42 GMT
#27923
But what kind of complications did it lead to? I would really appreciate an elaboration, because from where I sat the only people who seemed genuinely pissed were the terrorist sponsors in Turkey and Qatar.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 04 2014 22:51 GMT
#27924
the whole middle eastern mess is just a huge distraction for the u.s.

turkey acting up? let the euros handle it. especially with the palestinian love over there.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2014 23:58 GMT
#27925
Polls starting to close on the East Coast.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 05 2014 00:01 GMT
#27926
Neo-socialist party off to an early lead.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-05 00:15:44
November 05 2014 00:15 GMT
#27927
On November 05 2014 09:01 IgnE wrote:
Neo-socialist party off to an early lead.


what neo-socialist party? Do you have something like that in the US? Always thought you guys had right wingers and nationalist nutjobs
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 05 2014 00:15 GMT
#27928
didn't even vote lol but my house district didn't even have a republican candidate.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
November 05 2014 00:56 GMT
#27929
VA too close to call is bad news for dems.

But if it goes like the last 3 statewide elections... the heavy Dem areas report last. Portsmouth/Norfolk/Fairfax. They come in hours later than everyone else.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2014 01:00 GMT
#27930
If the GOP takes the Senate expect Obama to pull the executive action trigger on Immigration right after Thanksgiving forcing the Republicans to trash it and either accept it or try and repeal it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2014 01:14 GMT
#27931
Federal District Court judge Daniel Crabtree ruled Kansas' gay marriage ban unconstitutional on Tuesday.

Crabtree issued a hold on his ruling, so same-sex marriages cannot begin immediately. Dr. Robert Moser, Secretary of Kansas' Department of Health and Environment, can appeal the court's decision until 5 p.m. CST on Nov. 11.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
November 05 2014 01:15 GMT
#27932
Why do they keep trying to ban gay marriage if they know that it's going to be struck down anyway?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21767 Posts
November 05 2014 01:18 GMT
#27933
On November 05 2014 10:15 Nyxisto wrote:
Why do they keep trying to ban gay marriage if they know that it's going to be struck down anyway?

Because its fun to waste the courts time and spend large amounts of money on lawyers.

Mostly its about silly politicians trying to appease a voter base who live in the 19th century.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 05 2014 01:22 GMT
#27934
On November 05 2014 10:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If the GOP takes the Senate expect Obama to pull the executive action trigger on Immigration right after Thanksgiving forcing the Republicans to trash it and either accept it or try and repeal it.

their dilly dalliance over immigration as appeasement to republicans can't continue forever. the demographic strategy is after all the most persuasive one, established in facts and all.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2014 01:45 GMT
#27935
Republicans takes both Senate seats in Ark.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2014 02:22 GMT
#27936
Scott Brown loses. I'm sure he's packing his bags to move to a 3rd state to run once more years from now. Carpetbagger.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2014 02:30 GMT
#27937
Clay Aiken loses. Wolf defeats Corbett for Governor of PA.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
November 05 2014 02:33 GMT
#27938


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2014 02:33 GMT
#27939
Arkansas, Nebraska and Illinois vote to raise the minimum wage.

Also the GOP will fail to flip the Kentucky State House. This time around.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 05 2014 02:34 GMT
#27940
Florida medical marijuana ballot initiative fails to meet required 60 percent. Welcome to the idiotic election rules that is Florida.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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