|
On November 16 2012 21:22 Megelrov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:15 nucleo wrote:
I guess he is just misinformed about the hundred of rockets fired at Israel a few weeks prior and up to that point.
No i am not, and i deplore the actions and the tragedy, but to have me think that this is somehow a single incident and not related directly to the historic event of the last 50 years is absurd.
so would would know that this escalation did not occur due to the assassination.
|
On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality.
Dude your forgetting this is teamliquid, people just make up their own history. Iran are so 'tenacious' they haven't invaded anyone since the 1700's. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that.
Dis forum.
|
'When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.'
|
On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/
that's just the first result i got..
here is one from Ayatollah Khomeini
Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.”
there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself
|
On November 16 2012 21:25 nucleo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:22 Megelrov wrote:On November 16 2012 21:15 nucleo wrote:
I guess he is just misinformed about the hundred of rockets fired at Israel a few weeks prior and up to that point.
No i am not, and i deplore the actions and the tragedy, but to have me think that this is somehow a single incident and not related directly to the historic event of the last 50 years is absurd. so would would know that this escalation did not occur due to the assassination.
To your statement i would say, we "know" very little about this, but the assassination of him could and prolly be interpreted very differently in Israel and Palestine respectively, if Ahmed al-Jabari is seen as a political figure in Hamas, and some say he is, this could most defindently escalate this.
|
i can agree with your statement, and yet the escalation started before the assassination.
tho its hard to tell when a snowball is finally at that "point" i guess. if im making myself clear.
|
On November 16 2012 21:29 nucleo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/that's just the first result i got.. there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself Show nested quote +Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.”
You are the kind of person the mainstream media loves. Saying he wants a regime removed does not mean he wants to wipe a country and its population off the map. If you make that 'logical' jump, I'm sure you make a lot of other 'logical' jumps when forming opinions as well. As I mentioned earlier, Iran hasn't invaded anyone since 1798.
And secondly, read the article you linked me - 'if the jewish state attacks.' Well gee dude, I think Western leaders say some pretty aggressive stuff when they are attacked as well. But you aren't copy pasting that into threads are you! Why don't you go google some stuff the US said after the embassy attacks and sensationalise it for everyone to see!
NB - Both sides are doing bad things. Just depressing to see the wiped of the map lie propagated in every Israel related thread.
|
On November 16 2012 21:32 Megelrov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:25 nucleo wrote:On November 16 2012 21:22 Megelrov wrote:On November 16 2012 21:15 nucleo wrote:
I guess he is just misinformed about the hundred of rockets fired at Israel a few weeks prior and up to that point.
No i am not, and i deplore the actions and the tragedy, but to have me think that this is somehow a single incident and not related directly to the historic event of the last 50 years is absurd. so would would know that this escalation did not occur due to the assassination. To your statement i would say, we "know" very little about this, but the assassination of him could and prolly be interpreted very differently in Israel and Palestine respectively, if Ahmed al-Jabari is seen as a political figure in Hamas, and some say he is, this could most defindently escalate this.
this is unecessary quibbling over semantics.
hamas can't appear to step back from al-Jabari assination without some kind of response even though it is known they will get spanked. something to do with "honour". they also can't be seen as less militant than the other groups (salafists, islamic jihad, ..) in gaza.
israel had to respond as the situation in the south was untenable. it's deterrance had eroded.
the end game will be as it always was. eventually a "ceasefire" will be agreed to after and hamas will restock for the next round.
my question, why is israel still providing electricity and gas to gaza? just hermatically seal it off and let egypt take over from the shared gaza-egypt border.
|
On November 16 2012 21:39 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:29 nucleo wrote:On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/that's just the first result i got.. there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.” You are the kind of person the mainstream media loves. Saying he wants a regime removed does not mean he wants to wipe a country and its population off the map. If you make that 'logical' jump, I'm sure you make a lot of other 'logical' jumps when forming opinions as well. As I mentioned earlier, Iran hasn't invaded anyone since 1798. And secondly, read the article you linked me - 'if the jewish state attacks.' Well gee dude, I think Western leaders say some pretty aggressive stuff when they are attacked as well. But you aren't copy pasting that into threads are you! Why don't you go google some stuff the US said after the embassy attacks and sensationalise it for everyone to see! NB - Both sides are doing bad things. Just depressing to see the wiped of the map lie propagated in every Israel related thread.
or you just want to understand what you want to understand.
saying: 'regime occupying Jerusalem (israeli regime) must vanish from the page of time'
is the almost exact equivalent of: 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.'
and tho its not the same as saying "killing the inhabitants of said regime" it does look like thats the preferred way for them to do so.
but... whatever dude.
my question, why is israel still providing electricity and gas to gaza? just hermatically seal it off and let egypt take over from the shared gaza-egypt border.
same reason tons of supplies are shipped there each day on trucks.
the gaza-egypt border is sealed as-well.
|
On November 16 2012 21:29 nucleo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/that's just the first result i got.. here is one from Ayatollah Khomeini Show nested quote +Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.” there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself
Read carefully. He said 'regime' not state, not country, not people, but regime. Therefore he was referring to Zionism and not Israel.
|
On November 16 2012 21:53 nucleo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:39 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 21:29 nucleo wrote:On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/that's just the first result i got.. there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.” You are the kind of person the mainstream media loves. Saying he wants a regime removed does not mean he wants to wipe a country and its population off the map. If you make that 'logical' jump, I'm sure you make a lot of other 'logical' jumps when forming opinions as well. As I mentioned earlier, Iran hasn't invaded anyone since 1798. And secondly, read the article you linked me - 'if the jewish state attacks.' Well gee dude, I think Western leaders say some pretty aggressive stuff when they are attacked as well. But you aren't copy pasting that into threads are you! Why don't you go google some stuff the US said after the embassy attacks and sensationalise it for everyone to see! NB - Both sides are doing bad things. Just depressing to see the wiped of the map lie propagated in every Israel related thread. or you just want to understand what you want to understand. saying: 'regime occupying Jerusalem (israeli regime) must vanish from the page of time' is the almost exact equivalent of: 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' and tho its not the same as saying "killing the inhabitants of said regime" it does look like thats the preferred way for them to do so. but... whatever dude. Show nested quote +my question, why is israel still providing electricity and gas to gaza? just hermatically seal it off and let egypt take over from the shared gaza-egypt border. same reason tons of supplies are shipped there each day on trucks. the gaza-egypt border is sealed as-well.
The Gaza-Egypt border isnt sealed, it is controlled though and not free passage.
|
On November 16 2012 22:06 Art.FeeL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:29 nucleo wrote:On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/that's just the first result i got.. here is one from Ayatollah Khomeini Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.” there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself Read carefully. He said 'regime' not state, not country, not people, but regime. Therefore he was referring to Zionism and not Israel.
Oh good, that gives me a warm fuzzy feeling then....
However its OT, and i doubt anyone will change their mind so better off dropping it.
|
|
|
On November 16 2012 21:29 nucleo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/that's just the first result i got.. here is one from Ayatollah Khomeini Show nested quote +Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.” there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself
yeah true but he Khomeini mean with that the soviet union
do the russians got wipe out ???????????
no
but the communist goverment
|
Watching television here and they were talking about this story. They're reporting it as "Hamas just randomly decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into Tel Aviv, and were not provoked in any way by Israel."
The host even asked the reporter three times if Israel did anything to provoke them, and he said no, that Hamas was just doing it to prove they were tough.
Sorta makes me sad when apparently there is better reporting in this thread than in the US media.
|
On November 16 2012 22:18 Saryph wrote:
Watching television here and they were talking about this story. They're reporting it as "Hamas just randomly decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into Tel Aviv, and were not provoked in any way by Israel."
The host even asked the reporter three times if Israel did anything to provoke them, and he said no, that Hamas was just doing it to prove they were tough.
Sorta makes me sad when apparently there is better reporting in this thread than in the US media.
Hes talking about before the assassination and the only thing that happened before that i can think of was the weapons bombed in Sudan and the killing of rocket launching squad. However those were ~120 rockets launched on the 2 days before but none of them were aimed at Tel-aviv
|
On November 16 2012 22:06 Art.FeeL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:29 nucleo wrote:On November 16 2012 21:25 Trowa127 wrote:On November 16 2012 18:44 Elegy wrote:
Huh?
Why would the Saudis attack Israel? Like...what? that defies quite literally every core of Saudi foreign policy for the past thirty years. Pakistan? How does Pakistan attack Israel? Syria? Little bit busy, no? Iran? How does Iran invade Israel? Iraq? Surely you're joking. Egypt? hahaha
The existence of Israel is under zero threat from external forces. The "only" exception is a nuclear Iran, and even that is stretching the limits of reality. Iran want to 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.' Oh wait no one ever said that. Dis forum. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/wipe-them-off-the-face-of-the-earth-iran-issues-new-threat-to-israel/that's just the first result i got.. here is one from Ayatollah Khomeini Ahmadinejad was actually quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini when he said the “regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” — also translated as “wiped off the map.” there are more, with all sorts of context to them. im sure you can google them up yourself Read carefully. He said 'regime' not state, not country, not people, but regime. Therefore he was referring to Zionism and not Israel.
ofc he said regime, where did i say he didn't?
the current period of rule, regime, over that land is Israeli.
or is there another rule there, during this period of time?
someone said that no one said 'wipe Israel of the face of the Earth.'
i only said that they did, in other, less militant words. thats all.
i didnt say he called for a genocide. he didn't.
but he did call for the end of the Israeli regime .
we can go on and on over the meaning behind this and the ways that this can be achieved , ending the rule of government like in russia, ending the lives of the people like they help hizballah... etc.. peaceful ways, warful ways, even just waiting.
it doesnt matter.
some guy said no one in iran said anything like that but someone did. thats all i was going for.
other than that this is really OT.
|
On November 16 2012 22:18 Saryph wrote:
Watching television here and they were talking about this story. They're reporting it as "Hamas just randomly decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into Tel Aviv, and were not provoked in any way by Israel."
The host even asked the reporter three times if Israel did anything to provoke them, and he said no, that Hamas was just doing it to prove they were tough.
Sorta makes me sad when apparently there is better reporting in this thread than in the US media.
When you take the US media for anything but the grain of salt, it's you who needs an evaluation  US Media is so biased it makes non-independent game journalism look amazingly unbiased.
On November 16 2012 22:24 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 22:18 Saryph wrote:
Watching television here and they were talking about this story. They're reporting it as "Hamas just randomly decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into Tel Aviv, and were not provoked in any way by Israel."
The host even asked the reporter three times if Israel did anything to provoke them, and he said no, that Hamas was just doing it to prove they were tough.
Sorta makes me sad when apparently there is better reporting in this thread than in the US media. Hes talking about before the assassination and the only thing that happened before that i can think of was the weapons bombed in Sudan and the killing of rocket launching squad. However those were ~120 rockets launched on the 2 days before but none of them were aimed at Tel-aviv
You know for a fact he was talking about before the assassination because it seems like your speculating, especially since the News is covering the "news" right now, meaning probably the assassination, or should be.
|
On November 16 2012 22:24 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 22:18 Saryph wrote:
Watching television here and they were talking about this story. They're reporting it as "Hamas just randomly decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into Tel Aviv, and were not provoked in any way by Israel."
The host even asked the reporter three times if Israel did anything to provoke them, and he said no, that Hamas was just doing it to prove they were tough.
Sorta makes me sad when apparently there is better reporting in this thread than in the US media. Hes talking about before the assassination and the only thing that happened before that i can think of was the weapons bombed in Sudan and the killing of rocket launching squad. However those were ~120 rockets launched on the 2 days before but none of them were aimed at Tel-aviv
You'd know more about it than me, but wasn't there something about some kid, and then some tunnels, and a jeep? I thought there was a larger chain of events leading up to the rockets and assassination.
|
On November 16 2012 22:26 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 22:18 Saryph wrote:
Watching television here and they were talking about this story. They're reporting it as "Hamas just randomly decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into Tel Aviv, and were not provoked in any way by Israel."
The host even asked the reporter three times if Israel did anything to provoke them, and he said no, that Hamas was just doing it to prove they were tough.
Sorta makes me sad when apparently there is better reporting in this thread than in the US media. When you take the US media for anything but the grain of salt, it's you who needs an evaluation US Media is so biased it makes non-independent game journalism look amazingly unbiased. Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 22:24 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 22:18 Saryph wrote:
Watching television here and they were talking about this story. They're reporting it as "Hamas just randomly decided to shoot hundreds of rockets into Tel Aviv, and were not provoked in any way by Israel."
The host even asked the reporter three times if Israel did anything to provoke them, and he said no, that Hamas was just doing it to prove they were tough.
Sorta makes me sad when apparently there is better reporting in this thread than in the US media. Hes talking about before the assassination and the only thing that happened before that i can think of was the weapons bombed in Sudan and the killing of rocket launching squad. However those were ~120 rockets launched on the 2 days before but none of them were aimed at Tel-aviv You know for a fact he was talking about before the assassination because it seems like your speculating, especially since the News is covering the "news" right now, meaning probably the assassination, or should be.
Well if he posts the source we can find out who is right then.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
)
