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kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
August 11 2012 07:31 GMT
#341
grats to mb for signing on quantic, don't see why anyone should have a problem with him making money. also seems very classless/stupid of desrow to make that post.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
August 11 2012 07:31 GMT
#342
On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.


Why? I find your morality confusing.

If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it?

If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence?

I think you are just confused.
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LeisureFap
Profile Joined June 2012
10 Posts
August 11 2012 07:32 GMT
#343
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.

zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
August 11 2012 07:33 GMT
#344
On August 11 2012 16:32 LeisureFap wrote:
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.



You can pretty much ignore anything 'bees' posts, all he does is defend desWoW (I don't get it) on TL and twitter. Not going to get an unbiased response from him.
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NickVids1313
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada4 Posts
August 11 2012 07:34 GMT
#345
So for all of you who wanted the other side of the story, the vod just went live after Jeff (MaximusBlack) went offline on TwitchTv link to vod : http://www.twitch.tv/lagtvmaximusblack/b/328209754

Skip ahead to 12 minutes 50 seconds
beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
August 11 2012 07:36 GMT
#346
On August 11 2012 16:32 LeisureFap wrote:
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.

I, uh, still don't know what people would really be jealous of.

Top NA masters isn't something that's terribly hard to achieve, especially when 4 gating a large chunk of the games.
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beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
August 11 2012 07:37 GMT
#347
On August 11 2012 16:33 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 16:32 LeisureFap wrote:
bees, he has a good living diong something he loves. Playing games. Even if you can beat him, congratulations, he gets paid to be "bad" which in all honesty he could probably demolish you and many others. Top 8 masters isnt something you just get, he clearly did something to get there.



You can pretty much ignore anything 'bees' posts, all he does is defend desWoW (I don't get it) on TL and twitter. Not going to get an unbiased response from him.

Huh? I said earlier desWOW's comments were out-of-line and he shouldn't have said what he did on TL.

Of course I'm going to have bias because I like him more than MB, but that doesn't mean I condone his actions he's taken in this situation. I know it's a pretty hard concept to understand, sorry.
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 11 2012 07:37 GMT
#348
On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.


Why? I find your morality confusing.

If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it?

If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence?

I think you are just confused.


Your analogies are completely irrelevant.
Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations?
LeisureFap
Profile Joined June 2012
10 Posts
August 11 2012 07:39 GMT
#349
Dosey, I see the confusion. The donation box that said "help pay for desrow's costs" was for desrow. All of that money covered the costs that maximusblack paid out of his own pocket. The donation was to return maximus's expense.

Maximus paid all the moneyi n cash, then asked his viewers to donate him back the money so he didn't lose like a grand to bring desrow, then asked for more after that was finished to go to MLG. None of that money was meant for desrow whatsoever.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 07:42:38
August 11 2012 07:40 GMT
#350
On August 11 2012 16:37 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:
On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.


Why? I find your morality confusing.

If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it?

If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence?

I think you are just confused.


Your analogies are completely irrelevant.
Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations?


What if it said 'Help Me Pay for zefreaks Costs!'

Yes I am really telling you that I don't think I deserve any of JP's donations that he was raising to cover the cost of my trip.

"Maximus paid all the moneyi n cash, then asked his viewers to donate him back the money so he didn't lose like a grand to bring desrow, then asked for more after that was finished to go to MLG. None of that money was meant for desrow whatsoever."

This is what I'm talking about.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 11 2012 07:43 GMT
#351
this controversy is all a bit silly =/
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 11 2012 07:44 GMT
#352
On August 11 2012 16:40 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 16:37 Dosey wrote:
On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:
On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.


Why? I find your morality confusing.

If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it?

If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence?

I think you are just confused.


Your analogies are completely irrelevant.
Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations?


What if it said 'Help Me Pay for zefreaks Costs!'

Yes I am really telling you that I don't think I deserve any of JP's donations that he was raising to cover the cost of my trip.

Then we are of different opinion and should just agree to disagree. If someone is using my name to earn money behind my back, then I would have a serious problem with it. But like I said, if Desrow was aware of all of this before the fact then he deserves nothing and owes MB an apology.
Almondy
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia2 Posts
August 11 2012 07:46 GMT
#353
Wow......reading this makes me so sick..

I've been watching Jeffs stream since he started.. been a huge fan from the start. so happy he's making it big time in the sc2 scene.

What makes me sick is that I watched A LOT of the training sessions with Desrow and the stuff he said on stream (only jeff knows what he said offstream) was really out of the line. There was a incident when Desrow called Jeff about being fat.. and he 'reasoning' was cause he was looking out for his Fiance or some bs.

Everyone on the stream was saying how anti-social desrow was, how he says things without thinking, how it was SO clear that Jeff was taking it like a man and not saying anything to him. If it wasn't for the 'fans' jeff would've kicked him out of his house like any normal person would've.

In any 'JOB' situation (Desrow being the 'Employee' and Jeff being the 'Employer') would ANYONE say these kind of things to their Employers etc?

Sc2 advertises professionalism. There was nothing professional about desrow during and after that week. He said a lot of things about that last shadow guy. That says a lot of things about his character. Who knows what he said about jeff... the guy who welcomed him into his house. Oh wait....

Good luck to you Jeff! Gratz and GG



NickVids1313
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada4 Posts
August 11 2012 07:46 GMT
#354
just watch the vod guys for Jeff's side of the story:

http://www.twitch.tv/lagtvmaximusblack/b/328209754


Skip ahead to 12:50
Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 07:59:59
August 11 2012 07:55 GMT
#355
On August 11 2012 16:37 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 16:31 zefreak wrote:
On August 11 2012 16:24 Dosey wrote:
However, if MB snuck it in afterwards, then he should owe des a certain percentage. Wording doesn't really matter, he was using Desrows name and presence in order to get donations.


Why? I find your morality confusing.

If I own a music venue, and I pay you a 1000 dollar appearance fee, am I doing something wrong by selling tickets with your name on it?

If I own a bar, and I pay you a hundred bucks to do a comedy performance, am I doing something wrong by advertising with your name on it? Do I owe you a percentage from the cover charge/alcohol sales as well, since I am profiting off of your name and presence?

I think you are just confused.


Your analogies are completely irrelevant.
Again, imagine if you were a pro and JP said "Hey, come out to my studio for a 'Real Talk' interview! I'll pay for your expenses +$100" You do the interview and go on your merry way. Next week the show airs and you see a "Help Pay for zefreaks Costs!" donation box under the episode. Are you really telling me that you don't think you deserve some of that money if he earns $6000 from those donations?


Your analogies are completely irrelevant.
If i think my image is worth that much i am going to put that down, some percentage of event revenue cause i know my image sells. That is not what happened, i agreed to flat rate off 100$ in your example cause i felt that was a fair price for my service. I dont get to go after the fact and ask for more money cause i learned that JP made a lot of money. If Desrow felt he was worth more then 1000$ or whatever amount he should not of agreed. He was paid for in full for an amount he agreed on for a job he completed.
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MaximusBlack
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 08:20:07
August 11 2012 07:57 GMT
#356
Desrow this is f-ing insane bro.

First off your gonna talk about this the day I get on Quantic where this was a good day for me.

You guys wanna know the truth here you have it. I'm not being bias at all when I say this.

Desrow agree'd to $500. I asked him how much he makes per week and wanted to pay more. He was super happy about the $500 as I was paying for his flights/food and staying at my house. Here are my costs as follow:

Flights-$400
Food-$70ish
Pay-$500
Bought him a bed to sleep on (Got my dad to leave work to help me move it to the apartment)
$200
=$1170

The first day I got a huge donation from a big support of mine. So at 9am in the morning after being up til 4am. I went to best buy to buy him a microphone. Which cost me $130. I have recipt if he wants to see it. Just because I did really well that day and didn't want to be "greedy"

So now we're at a total of $1300.

Durning this event many things happened. First he started talking about my fiance in a sexual manner muti times. I muted my stream TWICE telling him to stop. He said sorry he was just trying to be funny. When you're in someones home that invites you there you don't talk about the mans girl like that ever. Anyway that is done. The next day he plays lostshadow on ladder and loses and RAGES hard. Calling him f*g this and that and going into this LOOONG story about what LastShadow did or didn't do in Korea. At that point I was forced to shut off the stream abd delete the VOG so no one would get it and post on reddit.

Lastshadow was pissed off and I talked to LS till 3am trying to clam him down so he didn't go public and then the whole bootcamp would be ruined. Ok that's done everything works out. The next day he starts talking about my girl again and this time it's about dudes gangbanging her. On stream I said wtf dude stop talking about her in that way. At that point the stream wasn't to happy and they could tell I was pissed. I didn't get over that since the end. So everyone on the stream thought I was upset later in the week because Desrow was hard on me but infact I was super pissed off.

Another large donation comes in and it gets topped off at the goal. In total the donations were $3500.

ON THE CHIP IN IT SAID THIS
Chip-in from Desrow Costs/MLG Trip
then below that it said $0-$9001 and it listed again. (I made it very clear that the rest of the money would be going to me as I didn't even want people thinking any would go to him)
I even told people on the stream what the money was for and DESROW KNEW. He knew the whole time we even talked about it. He said man you did well even got your trip paid for etc.
The stream made $800 in ads that week because we streamed about 12 hours a day for 7 days with 3k plus people.

So guys at the end of the day I made some money. I made more than Desrow BUT it was my RISK, I promoted the event from LAGTV my solo channel and pumped it up for a month before hand. Desrow agree'd to an amount that we both thought was fair. I didn't expect to do so well by the fans. So I got him the microphone as a thank you gift.

Now the fun part. He pm's me on skype saying he didn't think it was fair I made so much and him so little. I explained to him what I just did here. I told him flat out NO you don't deserve shit after what you said about my fiance and also fucking up the bootcamp with LastShadow stunt.

Also guys to be honest I was losing out on money, I had some stuff prerecorded but this was a time when NovaWar Says and When Cheese Fails wasn't posted in almost 3 weeks because I didn't have a chance to get with Adam because DesRow was here. I had material pre-recorded but it wasn't the high view material that we normally have up.

Anyway back to the story. CSN comes to be about a sponsorship to go to Quakecon. The first thing out Andrews mouth was I heard about desrow thing. At that point I'm like WTF. So this dude is now talking shit about me to companys. I went back to talk to him. At that point he said he went to 10 different people and most of them called him "stupid" for agreeing to the deal. He said he wanted more money and he would be happy with $300 more.

That's when I said FINE. Just so you don't run your mouth no more. TAKE THE DAMN MONEY but don't EVER ask me to do anything for you again.

Might I also add he got more followers and subscribers than what he gets in months from that one week? Also Desrow was known to be a bit of a hot head and he did very well with the public selling himself to my fan base. Which was great for him.
The whole time my fans at NASL on my stream and what not were saying how such a great person he is and all that shit and it took EVERYTHING in my power not to come out and say what I just said now.

Yeah I gave him the money $800 in total the flights/food.microphone thousands of new followers. He also compared me to Day9 making way more than dApollo and how that isn't fair. I told him I'm the one with the idea, I'm taking you here you work for ME not the other way around. Then he called me greedy.

Listen guys if he came to me FIRST without running his mouth to other people in the community and asked me nicely I MIGHT have just given him more money. (Prob not though because of what he was saying about my fiance)

Yeah I paid him off to shut up about it. It's none of anyways buiness to know how much I make or how much money Desrow makes when a deal is made between us. I don't go telling people what Quantic is giving me to be on the team. I don't expect anymore to talk about what I made that week. It's bullshit and uncalled for. This happened a month ago. You got your money what more do you want?

You lost a fan from me, I wish you the best of luck in your future.
This was just uncalled for and pointless to bring up. Thanks for sharing personal info to the public and also thanks once again for showing your true colors. I wanted to for the past month but out of respect didn't say anything because we once again had an agreement that I pay you and that was it.

(Sorry for grammar it's 5am here)






Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 11 2012 08:04 GMT
#357
Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
LeisureFap
Profile Joined June 2012
10 Posts
August 11 2012 08:07 GMT
#358
Embarrasing and childish. Hokay. I'm nto trying to ride maximusblack, I just hate when people get shit on for no reason. Maximusblack is in the right, has every right to respond any way he pleases, and to be honest I think he's being pretty goddamn mature. I've known people like desrow who have tried to rip me off. Ntohing pisses me off more, and I know first hand how Maximus feels.

Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 11 2012 08:07 GMT
#359
On August 11 2012 16:57 MaximusBlack wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Desrow this is f-ing insane bro.

First off your gonna talk about this the day I get on Quantic where this was a good day for me.

You guys wanna know the truth here you have it. I'm not being bias at all when I say this.

Desrow agree'd to $500. I asked him how much he makes per week and wanted to pay more. He was super happy about the $500 as I was paying for his flights/food and staying at my house. Here are my costs as follow:

Flights-$400
Food-$70ish
Pay-$500
Bought him a bed to sleep on (Got my dad to leave work to help me move it to the apartment)
$200
=$1170

The first day I got a huge donation from a big support of mine. So at 9am in the morning after being up til 4am. I went to best buy to buy him a microphone. Which cost me $130. I have recipt if he wants to see it. Just because I did really well that day and didn't want to be "greedy"

So now we're at a total of $1300.

Durning this event many things happened. First he started talking about my fiance in a sexual manner muti times. I muted my stream TWICE telling him to stop. He said sorry he was just trying to be funny. When you're in someones home that invites you there you don't talk about the mans girl like that ever. Anyway that is done. The next day he plays lostshadow on ladder and loses and RAGES hard. Calling him f*g this and that and going into this LOOONG story about what LastShadow did or didn't do in Korea. At that point I was forced to shut off the stream abd delete the VOG so no one would get it and post on reddit.

Lastshadow was pissed off and I talked to LS till 3am trying to clam him down so he didn't go public and then the whole bootcamp would be ruined. Ok that's done everything works out. The next day he starts talking about my girl again and this time it's about dudes gangbanging her. On stream I said wtf dude stop talking about her in that way. At that point the stream wasn't to happy and they could tell I was pissed. I didn't get over that since the end. So everyone on the stream thought I was upset later in the week because Desrow was hard on me but infact I was super pissed off.

Another large donation comes in and it gets topped off at the goal. In total the donations were $3500.

ON THE CHIP IN IT SAID THIS
Chip-in from Desrow Costs/MLG Trip
then below that it said $0-$9001 and it listed again. (I made it very clear that the rest of the money would be going to me as I didn't even want people thinking any would go to him)
I even told people on the stream what the money was for and DESROW KNEW. He knew the whole time we even talked about it. He said man you did well even got your trip paid for etc.
The stream made $800 in ads that week because we streamed about 12 hours a day for 7 days with 3k plus people.

So guys at the end of the day I made some money. I made more than Desrow BUT it was my RISK, I promoted the event from LAGTV my solo channel and pumped it up for a month before hand. Desrow agree'd to an amount that we both thought was fair. I didn't expect to do so well by the fans. So I got him the microphone as a thank you gift.

Now the fun part. He pm's me on skype saying he didn't think it was fair I made so much and him so little. I explained to him what I just did here. I told him flat out NO you don't deserve shit after what you said about my fiance and also fucking up the bootcamp with LastShadow stunt.

Also guys to be honest I was losing out on money, I had some stuff prerecorded but this was a time when NovaWar Says and When Cheese Fails wasn't posted in almost 3 weeks because I didn't have a chance to get with Adam because DesRow was here. I had material pre-recorded but it wasn't the high view material that we normally have up.

Anyway back to the story. CSN comes to be about a sponsorship to go to Quakecon. The first thing out Andrews mouth was I heard about desrow thing. At that point I'm like WTF. So this dude is now talking shit about me to companys. I went back to talk to him. At that point he said he went to 10 different people and most of them called him "stupid" for agreeing to the deal. He said he wanted more money and he would be happy with $300 more.

That's when I said FINE. Just so you don't run your mouth no more. TAKE THE DAMN MONEY but don't EVER ask me to do anything for you again.

Might I also add he got more followers and subscribers than what he gets in months from that one week? Also Desrow was known to be a bit of a hot head and he did very well with the public selling himself to my fan base. Which was great for him.
The whole time my fans at NASL on my stream and what not were saying how such a great person he is and all that shit and it took EVERYTHING in my power not to come out and say what I just said now.

Yeah I gave him the money $800 in total the flights/food.microphone thousands of new followers. He also compared me to Day9 making way more than dApollo and how that isn't fair. I told him I'm the one with the idea, I'm taking you here you work for ME not the other way around. Then he called me greedy.

Listen guys if he came to me FIRST without running his mouth to other people in the community and asked me nicely I MIGHT have just given him more money. (Prob not though because of what he was saying about my fiance)

Yeah I paid him off to shut up about it. It's none of anyways buiness to know how much I make or how much money Desrow makes when a deal is made between us. I don't go telling people what Quantic is giving me to be on the team. I don't expect anymore to talk about what I made that week. It's bullshit and uncalled for. This happened a month ago. You got your money what more do you want?

You lost a fan from me, I wish you the best of luck in your future.
This was just uncalled for and pointless to bring up. Thanks for sharing personal info to the public and also thanks once again for showing your true colors. I wanted to for the past month but out of respect didn't say shit because we once again had an agreement that I pay you and that was it.

(Sorry for grammar it's 5am here)








If he was aware of the donations the whole time then you owe him nothing and he owes you an apology.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
August 11 2012 08:07 GMT
#360
On August 11 2012 17:04 Gamegene wrote:
Pretty embarrassing and childish way to respond considering it just makes your new team look bad.


I'm sure Quantic didn't hire Maximus Black to be professional or PC. Let's also not forget that Naniwa was on Quantic. I don't think this makes Quantic look bad at all, and I'm sure many people are interested in this side of the story.
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