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Ok so DesRow agreed to a set amount of money from the start as far as I can tell, therefore, Maximus technically did nothing wrong in this case. The arguement is that Maximus is morally in the wrong for not splitting 50/50 correct? The problem with this arguement is that DesRow allegedly made VERY inappropriate comments about Maximus' fiance while in his house and insulted Lastshadow to the point where Maximus had to delete VODs. If I were Maximus I would have kicked that fat fuck out of my house immediately but he let him stay and then paid DesRow more than was even agreed to. So how is Maximus in the wrong technically or morally in this case?
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On August 11 2012 15:17 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:13 xjulz23x wrote:
I'm calling fucking bullshit on this one. It pisses me off when people say "oh no don't get me wrong I think he's a nice guy, but (insert 15 minute rant about him.)"
He knows his fanbase will go apeshit and try to ruin desWOW's name and reputation.
How self centered are you to have such a narrow minded way of thinking? You honestly think that someone who just got signed to a big name team and trying to make it big would want his fan base who he respects and loves and tells them that on a daily basis, wants those same people to crush and destroy his chances of becoming big over something stupid? Seriously get your head off your high horse and have some reasoning logic? I don't even understand what your main point is, I'm sorry. I think someone in the chat said desWOW lost over 250+ followers on twitch because of the MB rant? Black even said himself "HAHA well I'm going to un-sub right now!" which of course he knows his fans are going to try and copy him and thus un-sub as well. All this is making my head hurt. edit: fixed the quote since you somehow fucked it up.
Wow so a celebrity has a problem with someone and unfollows him because that's how he feels and you think the massive amounts of people that do the same are his problem? Its not, they do so at their own convenience. He has no control over however many people over the internet that's just stupid to try and do. Also, obviously did the post wrong don't usually quote people sorry about that.
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I'm not really biased on the issue but it seems like kind of a dick move to get paid more money then you had orginally agreed to and then come out and trash MaximusBlack anyway.
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On August 11 2012 15:21 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:18 ZeromuS wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way. Watching the stream though, there were times where DesRow was saying some pretty insulting things to Jeff and others as well. And more than "you suck at sc2" kind of insulting. I would have thrown him out of my house if some of those things were said to me to be honest. I dont remember how the chip in was worded but if we resign ourselves from that fact, my understanding was that the chip in was to help cover the costs of the coaching week and possibly help with a trip to MLG once the initial costs were covered. Just feels like the donation thingy shud have been a 50/50 split deal and w/e happens happens desrow asking for money after everything was over is obviously retarded though
Oh, I completely agree. I think it should have been decided upon before the donation pot went up at all.
The whole thing is messy but I don't think desrow even needed to bring it up. He gained a lot of exposure from the week and gained a lot of followers I am sure on both twitter and twitch.
And Maximus didn't say a word and insisted the two were on good terms since the coaching happened but now that he gets on a team desrow decides to chime in -_-
Its just a mess and would have been better off left alone.
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Your in someone elses house and disrespect the women of the house :O Well thats pretty low desrow. Very low. And then ask for more money? Wow. And the fact Maximusblack gave him more so no drama would continue, then we have this lol. Feel really bad for maximusblack. Goodluck @ Quantic Dude.
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On August 11 2012 15:18 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:17 beesinyoface wrote:
edit: god my post looks ugly, why couldn't you properly quote!! Because he just registered, like so many others frantically joining TL right now to dump on desrow 
I hate these noobs! When I want to go and dump on the person I disagree with, they come in here and try to defend him! Why can't they let me just whale on him like a pinata in peace!
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On August 11 2012 15:18 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say? Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points - Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance - MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day - MB got really mad about it - Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him - MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well - MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect - Desrow leaves - Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations - MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments - Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people - MB gets more annoyed - Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard
I dont understand why he couldnt just edit out the 5 minutes that included the Last shadow part? As for the "sex jokes" im sure a lot of people found them funny, but when MB told him to stop he shouldve stopped so thats his fault.
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On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense
uhh not if it wasnt part of the deal, im sure maximusblack told desrow up front wat he was going to pay him and how much of his expenses he was going to cover. desrow shouldnt ask for something if it wasnt pre-negotiated, his job was to coach maximusblack.. nothing more nothing less, theoretically hes supposed to be his employer no?
desrow should have just asked him to take his name off the donation box if he was against it, if there was an issue he should have brought it up while he was over maximusblack's house
edit: that being said it was wrong of maximus to have both their names on the chip-in box in the first place, but its not as if he knew how much money he was going to make so.. dunno tbh this situation seems pretty fucked up either way. we probably dont even know the full story
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On August 11 2012 15:25 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:18 RockIronrod wrote:On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say? Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points - Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance - MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day - MB got really mad about it - Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him - MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well - MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect - Desrow leaves - Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations - MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments - Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people - MB gets more annoyed - Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard I dont understand why he couldnt just edit out the 5 minutes that included the Last shadow part? As for the "sex jokes" im sure a lot of people found them funny, but when MB told him to stop he shouldve stopped so thats his fault.
Twitch VODs don't work like that sadly, and it was a lot longer than 5 minutes. The sex jokes weren't very funny, they were just abstract references to his fiance getting banged by dudes at random times.
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On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way.
Heres help to clarify
Here's what my receipt from the Chipin says:
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Paid By: Scott ******* (grimm********@*******.com)
For: DesRow Costs/MLG
Method: PayPal (grimm********@*******.com)
Total: $10.00
This receipt confirms that you authorized a payment to The Bouse for the event DesRow Costs/MLG. Should you have questions regarding this transaction, please visit our FAQ or contact us at contact.chipin.com.
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The chipin went to MB directly. There was no share on it with desrow. It was intended to be a chip in to help cover the event costs.
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On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:
The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them.
Pretty hard to tell either way.
This is a good point but one I've not seen DesRow bring up himself. Maybe I read into his post too much but to me it just seemed like he thought he deserved more after the fact.
This sort of eludes to a larger issue with regards to the overall experience and maturity seen in eSports. (I mean that from a longevity point of view not the insulting "immature" way).
DesRow really needed to look out for himself holistically - which includes securing compensation for any VOD's he may be a part of through the boot camp process. That is his responsibility, not MaximusBlack's.
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On August 11 2012 15:26 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:25 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:18 RockIronrod wrote:On August 11 2012 15:07 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:06 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:04 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:01 TommyP wrote:On August 11 2012 14:57 ManiacL4160 wrote:
Ok, desRow is saying the mic was $70, it was $130, and desRow thought it was a good amount of money. CSN had to question MB because they heard he was a dhasy dealer because of what desRow is spreading. desRow is an instigator. Look at LastShadow. desRow is the problem, not Maximus. MB isnt in the wrong, desRow is trying to make him look terrible. Im not jumping to conclusions on this. We dont know all the facts yet. Did maximus respond yet? Of course he did, hence the jump in people defending him in the past 15 minutes. Well would someone care to tell me what was said? In essence, MB told "his" side of the story and all his fans are now up in arms and wanting to make desWOW suffer for it. Which, is weird, because all he did was tell his side and everyone believes MB over desWOW. Eh, drama in SC2 never gets old I guess. Ok....but what did he say? Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points - Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance - MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day - MB got really mad about it - Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him - MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well - MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect - Desrow leaves - Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations - MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments - Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people - MB gets more annoyed - Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard I dont understand why he couldnt just edit out the 5 minutes that included the Last shadow part? As for the "sex jokes" im sure a lot of people found them funny, but when MB told him to stop he shouldve stopped so thats his fault. The sex jokes weren't very funny, they were just abstract references to his fiance getting banged by dudes at random times.
As a person that watched the live streams, this is unfortunately the case. They were awkward for viewers, and what I only could interpret as clearly frustrating for MB
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On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament.
I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots.
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On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots.
Maybe you didn't understand what I originally posted.
Watch 5 of his games when he streams, you will see he is SUPER far away from doing OK at major tournaments.
Is that better?
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On August 11 2012 15:28 Logun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote:
The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them.
Pretty hard to tell either way. This is a good point but one I've not seen DesRow bring up himself. Maybe I read into his post too much but to me it just seemed like he thought he deserved more after the fact. This sort of eludes to a larger issue with regards to the overall experience and maturity seen in eSports. (I mean that from a longevity point of view not the insulting "immature" way). DesRow really needed to look out for himself holistically - which includes securing compensation for any VOD's he may be a part of through the boot camp process. That is his responsibility, not MaximusBlack's.
I don't think, due to the nature of the stream, and the nature of desrows employment agreement (a flat fee structure) that he is entitled to any VOD or stream revenue. Now, if desrows payment was a percentage of revenue, this might be a different story, but the flat fee does not support this factually.
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On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots.
nah, he is SUPER far away. i'm not a hater, just stating my opinion of his skill (i like his WCF)
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On August 11 2012 15:26 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 11 2012 15:02 PballTy wrote:
I've lost all respect for Desrow, and am quite disgusted with the way he acted, and the way he presented himself. Desrow, quite frankly, you are wrong in every single way. Maximus brough you under his own roof, did you a favour as on average he gets 5x more viewers than you, exposed you to 4000+ people each day during the boot camp, and you turn your back and do this to him. You're a grown man, show some respect and some class. You owe thousands of likes, follows and future views to Jeff. You made disgusting jokes, 99% about his fiance and are now blackmailing Jeff. He gave you everything you needed, wanted, could ask for + more, especially after trying to ruin his chances with CSN? You're sick. I hope you never get picked up by another team, as you don't deserve it, because people like you will get nowhere. You owe Jeff a huge apology, and if I was Jeff, i'd laugh at it, and tell you to get lost. honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense uhh not if it wasnt part of the deal, im sure maximusblack told desrow up front wat he was going to pay him and how much of his expenses he was going to cover. desrow shouldnt ask for something if it wasnt pre-negotiated, his job was to coach maximusblack.. nothing more nothing less, theoretically hes supposed to be his employer no? desrow should have just asked him to take his name off his donation box if he was against it, if there was an issue he should have brought it up while he was over maximusblack's house edit: that being said it was wrong of maximus to have both their names on the chip-in box in the first place, but its not as if he knew how much money he was going to make so.. dunno tbh this situation seems pretty fucked up either way. we probably dont even know the full story
I posted a copy of my chipin receipt, to help clarify that the chipin was intended to help out with the Desrow Costs, not to split with Desrow.
I Hope this helps.
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On August 11 2012 15:34 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 15:29 Drizzt3 wrote:On August 11 2012 15:14 beesinyoface wrote:On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote:
I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. I said he wasn't SUPER far away from being up to a professional level of play, which is true. Many actual pros wouldn't do what you consider OK at major tournaments either. In case you haven't noticed, major tournaments have gotten so insanely hard that even world class pros, let alone the lower tier pros, don't always make top spots. nah, he is SUPER far away. i'm not a hater, just stating my opinion of his skill (i like his WCF)
Is WCF still updated? Most of my time is spent in China and good ol' Youtube is blocked there.
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And I should add:
Desrows skill as a player, or his tournement success is not subject for discussion in my opinion.
MB and Desrow agreed on what a fair dollar value for Desrow's services would be. At that exact point in time, that amount was valuated. If the player was SK_MC, that value might have been higher. Regardless, it was agreed upon by both parties at that time, as what fair market value would be.
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deserves this less than a child deserves cancer.
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