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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
That a SALARY was agreed upon, flight was paid etc etc. That after the fact, more money was made than Desrow was happy with, and that desrow asked for more money after the deal was already done. I think 1070 in total costs to MB for a weeks worth of sitting on your ass doing some training, is a good deal - desrow came home with a $500 cash in his pocket for his efforts, got to go to the East Coast of Canada all expenses paid, and got some great exposure for himself as well. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:09 beesinyoface wrote: You really think I'm going to bother typing out 15 minutes worth of ranting? Watch the vod later or something, I'm sure you can get the gist of it from this thread. well it would be nice <3 | ||
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Drizzt3
United States189 Posts
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
But as far as I can see during the time, people chipping in were supposed to be donating to get them both to MLG??? | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:09 ROOTFayth wrote: honestly, the donations thingy shud have been split 50/50 there's nothing else to it, if jeff thinks he could have gotten a bigger part of it because he has more viewers on average or whatever the fuck else then he just had to make a MAXIMUS GOING TO MLG DONATION not maximus + desrow wtf common sense Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:10 Grimmyman123 wrote: Tommy, just what was said. That a SALARY was agreed upon, flight was paid etc etc. That after the fact, more money was made than Desrow was happy with, and that desrow asked for more money after the deal was already done. I think 1070 in total costs to MB for a weeks worth of sitting on your ass doing some training, is a good deal - desrow came home with a $500 cash in his pocket for his efforts, got to go to the East Coast of Canada all expenses paid, and got some great exposure for himself as well. That's not what a salary is, but I digress. Since when did "thought work" (being sedentary in nature) become less valued because you're sitting? desrow is a top-level foreign Protoss. I never was a fan of his in particular, but I think he has some balls coming out like this and I respect him for it. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote: Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? I fail to see the relevence... | ||
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xjulz23x
United States16 Posts
I'm calling fucking bullshit on this one. It pisses me off when people say "oh no don't get me wrong I think he's a nice guy, but (insert 15 minute rant about him.)" He knows his fanbase will go apeshit and try to ruin desWOW's name and reputation.[/QUOTE] How self centered are you to have such a narrow minded way of thinking? You honestly think that someone who just got signed to a big name team and trying to make it big would want his fan base who he respects and loves and tells them that on a daily basis, wants those same people to crush and destroy his chances of becoming big over something stupid? Seriously get your head off your high horse and have some reasoning logic? | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:11 Grimmyman123 wrote: Fayth, i respect your opinion and all, and I know what you think is fair, but at the same time: Do you ask your team for more money because it landed a big sponsor it was not expecting to get? The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way. | ||
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beesinyoface
2450 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:11 Drizzt3 wrote: I don't know why people in this thread are wondering why MaximusBlack got on Quantic. He's a very dedicated player with a great attitude, and while not up to a professional level of play he's not SUPER far away either. Most importantly, he has a large fanbase and a popular stream, which generates much more exposure for sponsors than simply being slightly more skilled would. I think alot of people forget that the point of recruiting a player onto your team in the first place is to generate exposure for your sponsors...that's what makes any pickup justifiable, not just their skill. Uh no he's pretty far away from doing actually OK at a major tournament. | ||
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TrutY
Croatia26 Posts
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beesinyoface
2450 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:13 xjulz23x wrote: I'm calling fucking bullshit on this one. It pisses me off when people say "oh no don't get me wrong I think he's a nice guy, but (insert 15 minute rant about him.)" He knows his fanbase will go apeshit and try to ruin desWOW's name and reputation. How self centered are you to have such a narrow minded way of thinking? You honestly think that someone who just got signed to a big name team and trying to make it big would want his fan base who he respects and loves and tells them that on a daily basis, wants those same people to crush and destroy his chances of becoming big over something stupid? Seriously get your head off your high horse and have some reasoning logic? I don't even understand what your main point is, I'm sorry. I think someone in the chat said desWOW lost over 250+ followers on twitch because of the MB rant? Black even said himself "HAHA well I'm going to un-sub right now!" which of course he knows his fans are going to try and copy him and thus un-sub as well. All this is making my head hurt. edit: fixed the quote since you somehow fucked it up. | ||
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MLGameOver
United States4 Posts
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
Well, a quick tl;dr that's probably missing a few key points - Desrow kept making sex jokes about MB's fiance - MB told him to stop, Desrow apologized and then made a reference to a bunch of dudes gangbanging her the next day - MB got really mad about it - Desrow, on MB's stream went on a huge rant about LastShadow, revealing personal information about him - MB had to delete 8 hours worth of content because of this, and was up til 3 talking to LastShadow trying to calm him down because he was pissed as well - MB got a sudden $800 and $500 donation or something he didn't expect - Desrow leaves - Desrow talks to MB about getting more money because of the donations - MB would've if not for the fact he was pissed about the fiance comments - Desrow says he went to CSN and badmouthed MB to a dozen people - MB gets more annoyed - Gives him $300, breaks their partnership and just tries to avoid drama for the next month while people claim he was mad because training was hard | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:17 beesinyoface wrote: edit: god my post looks ugly, why couldn't you properly quote!! Because he just registered, like so many others frantically joining TL right now to dump on desrow  Edit: Sorry guy, looks like you just have really low post count. But there are a bunch of people making first posts in the last hour, and quite a few seem to be quite unfamiliar with TL etiquette. You just didn't quote properly, no big deal i guess, just tough to read. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:14 coL.Minigun wrote: The issue is how the "chip in" was worded. From what I understand it had both of their names on it, not just maximus. So a viewer could have donated thinking the money would go to BOTH of them. Pretty hard to tell either way. Watching the stream though, there were times where DesRow was saying some pretty insulting things to Jeff and others as well. And more than "you suck at sc2" kind of insulting. I would have thrown him out of my house if some of those things were said to me to be honest. I dont remember how the chip in was worded but if we resign ourselves from that fact, my understanding was that the chip in was to help cover the costs of the coaching week and possibly help with a trip to MLG once the initial costs were covered. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
The relevance is that both parties knew what they were getting into. Both knew about possible Advert revenue. Both knew about the donations possibility. An amount was agreed upon, and that agreement was fullfilled. Relevance is that instead of being a SINGLE sponsor, it was a group of individuals, each pitching in - each being their own little sponsorship of the event and players. A contract is a contract. Business is business. If the event was a flop, and MB came out in the red, is it fair for him to ask for Desrow to offer his services for less money after the fact? No, it isnt. A deal was made, and as an investor in the project with his own money, MB came out in the black and the event was profitable. Desrow made good money for a weeks worth of work, at no expense to himself. The deal was done in advance, and he was paid on that deal. On the flip side, it would be like a venue asking an organiser for a certain amount for a rental agreement, and then asking for more money when the event is a massive success. Now. If their agreement involved an even split of profits, or a contingency of some sort, then this would be a different story. But, given that desrow got a salary and all expenses paid flight and food, it makes logical sense based on FACT that there was no such a contingency in the coaching agreement. | ||
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Kadover
United States6 Posts
Here's the boiled down version (read: paraphrasing MB's rant until the vod of it comes out). -MB approached Desrow with the idea of coaching, he offered him $500, which was "more than [Desrow] was expecting" -MB paid for airfair (~$400) and food ($~80) -Coaching went alright, and Des was a good coach, and it was a good experience -Except for that (paraphrasing) Des is kind of obsessed with people better off than him -Desrow made lots of sexual jokes at MB's Fiance. Made a comment about people Gang-Banging her, and continued these comments after being asked to stop a few times -MB, after seeing how well the bootcamp was doing (as far as viewers and ads and what not) went, decided to get Desrow a gift, and bought him a "$140" microphone one morning before Desrow woke up. -Last day of the week, MB was really annoyed with Desrow, especially the Fiance comments. -Desrow got into something with LastShadow, called him names on stream, etc -MB didn't want the drama, so the three of them (MB, Desrow and LS) stayed up discussing what to do as apparantly LS was really upset and wanted to post to reddit/TL. -Everyone calmed down, Jeff deleted the entire 8 hours worth of content, both because he was bothered by the comments, and the LS drama. After this I can't recall MB's statements well enough to feel comfortable paraphrasing them. Essentially it went as Desrow said, he went around to various 'Big Names' and sort of tried to drag MBs name in the mud (this is what I got from it). Edit: Last statement MB made while I was typing this up (paraphrased) - Honestly if I had known that people were going to make such ridicuously large donations, I would have offered him more in the first place, or would have offered him more afterwards had the week not been so bad [in regards to the sexual jokes/drama]. | ||
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xjulz23x
United States16 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:18 pigmanbear wrote: Because he just registered, like so many others frantically joining TL right now to dump on desrow You couldn't be more wrong about anything and we'll leave it at that good sir. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On August 11 2012 15:18 ZeromuS wrote: Watching the stream though, there were times where DesRow was saying some pretty insulting things to Jeff and others as well. And more than "you suck at sc2" kind of insulting. I would have thrown him out of my house if some of those things were said to me to be honest. I dont remember how the chip in was worded but if we resign ourselves from that fact, my understanding was that the chip in was to help cover the costs of the coaching week and possibly help with a trip to MLG once the initial costs were covered. Just feels like the donation thingy shud have been a 50/50 split deal and w/e happens happens desrow asking for money after everything was over is obviously retarded though | ||
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