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On August 11 2012 11:35 KueKue wrote:
I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way)
He isnt a player. He is a media personality. *facepalm*
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On August 11 2012 10:18 Psychonian wrote:
Those hating about teams picking up players for popularity....
IdrA.
Nuff said.
Those saying that the Bouse is a bad player, I believe that if he truly works hard and plays a lot and keeps working for it, I really believe that he could get to Grandmasters and eventually be able to compete with other top North American players. Do I think he will be much better than, say, iNcontroL or maybe someone like HuK, I doubt it, but HuK and iNcontroL are both very valuable players if nothing else for their contributions to the community.
You do realize when EG picked up idra he was the best foreigner in both SC2 and BW and was the only foreigner actually able to compete with koreans at the time?
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On August 11 2012 11:35 KueKue wrote:
I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way)
Dude i agree with you 100% ... whats your paypal. When I get my paycheck im going to send you the full amount
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On August 11 2012 12:40 andy50 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:35 KueKue wrote:
I really don't get this...
Ms.Spyte (High masters Zerg player) , Nathanias (High masters Terran player) , XeroSC (14 Year Old GM Terran ) deserve this spot more than MaximusBlack. They're all more, imo, entertaining, less BM, and actually have knowledge in the game. They rarely cheese, explain how/why they lost, and over all just BETTER players.
___Just venting, but still...Yeesh. I sort of feel like this publicity type of sponsoring etc is going to lead to a ton of phone calls to Razer. (In a negative way) He isnt a player. He is a media personality. *facepalm*
Couldn't agree more KueKue & Andy. This brings all affiliated companies down a few levels in my book. They should put in tiny writing somewhere with an asterisk... *All invites will mostly be based on your popularity, not your skill... so if you are at progamer level of skill, you would still need to act like an idiot and have lots of people watch you for you to get in.
EDIT: I'm sure his "personality" is just what Quantic needs instead of more talented players... At least EG picked up Suppy. An actual talent.
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On August 11 2012 02:02 pStar wrote:
He will never be a good player. From looking at his play I wouldn't even put him at mid-master, he only 4gated until a few months ago.
Quite clearly a personality pickup and nothing to do with his play. best of luck to quantic anyway.
Yes excuse me if I don't take your point of view seriously. Doubt Quantic would waste money sending a personality to tournaments if they didn'tt believe he could bring results plus with his training at the Razor Academy he will more then likely only improve. So try being more optimistic man it doesn't pay to have such negative views.
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On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some.
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel.
After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel.
After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
$300 for "hush money"? Damn, that's cheap. I'm surprised he didn't just go 50/50 with you from the outset on the whole production; would've seemed like a decent and fair thing to do. It sounds like MaximusBlack took advantage of you not being so business-savvy about all of this, sadly this kind of stuff happens all the time. Live and learn, I guess.
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Uh wow. Obviously something happened between you guys but I don't think it's cool to trash him like that desrow.
He would have made some of that money streaming that week anyway.
And, he's more popular and thus in the stronger situation. You got more viewers after the event, yes?
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Just gonna throw in my 2 cents. I think companys will indeed make decisions that are right for them but as I see it right now StarCraft has a HUGE problem with cultivating new talent especially in North America, I am not sure about Europe or Korea. The Semi-Pro league is a good step but there are many GMs, High Masters, even Mid masters players with lots of time to invest into the game but no training partners (these are harder to find than you think, at least the ones with good mindset.)Nor, opportunities to market themselves. So yes I see where everyone's head scratching is coming from, but keep in mind I'm sure Quantic is looking at Maximus as an investment in content and community expansion.
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I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^
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On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^
? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point
He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it.
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On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it.
it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue.
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On August 11 2012 14:43 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it. it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue.
you wouldn't be top8 masters then
xenoSC is top gm and wins vs pros and he is recognized.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
Seems like he offered you a flat rate and the extra benefits and you accepted. The only mistake he made was letting you know the amounts of how much he made overall. That had nothing to do with you since you got paid what you agreed to.
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite.
In the context of the scenario you are describing, asking someone for more money later on is an awkward way of doing business, as it was not part of the original deal. Sure it would have been a cool thing for Maximus to do; but he is not obligated too. If you were happy enough to accept the original offer, then pressuring someone for more money implies your mind is geared towards improving your current financial state; as opposed to recognizing that there was a flaw in your original negotiations, and introspecting as to how you could avoid such an outcome by objectively improving this aspect of your life. It seemed like you used the opinions of others to gain the confidence to justify/actuate such a non-progressive internal desire. As you are describing, the deal you agreed to did not include a parameter which scaled based on the revenue of Maximus' stream. I feel like you should calm down; I don't know exactly how Maximus reacted to the situation because your description is the only context... Since you claim he was being aggressive I assume that spawned from a defensive reaction that someone might have after being done with a week-long project, and feeling like they had already facilitated their end of the deal. I don't really know either of you; but I hope everyone calms down.
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On August 11 2012 14:35 Scufo wrote:
Uh wow. Obviously something happened between you guys but I don't think it's cool to trash him like that desrow.
He would have made some of that money streaming that week anyway.
And, he's more popular and thus in the stronger situation. You got more viewers after the event, yes?
100% agree. Plus most of that money was donations so he couldnt have planned to get that much. If you had already agreed on a number it's not exactly like he was obligated to pay you more if he had problems with what you did. And I don't think the money amount is any of TLs business.
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On August 11 2012 14:45 Candide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:43 LgNKami wrote:On August 11 2012 14:42 Candide wrote:On August 11 2012 14:40 LgNKami wrote:
I'm jealous because im a top 8 masters terran player that has been trying to just get on a simple gaming team, not even a known one, and maximus gets on 2. TT. im not hating or nothing, I just hate that i cant get the same acknowledgement considering im black as well..
but anyways, gl yo and train hard. wish you the best ^^ ? top 8 masters is nothing special I don't see your point He gets acknowledged because hes a personality and that is it. it is when you're constantly playing vs pros and winning. but anyways, im not here to argue. you wouldn't be top8 masters then xenoSC is top gm and wins vs pros and he is recognized.
I never said im perfect, I lose games too..
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On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:
This is basicly what happened
Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift.
Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone.
Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that.
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wtf dude? You agreed to 500$ plus, then he gave you MORE with the mic that was not even asked for and then AFTER the fact you come back looking for more and more??
That's not how you do business dude. Jeff Paid you for your services. End of story,
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On August 11 2012 14:47 WhalesFromSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 14:16 desRow wrote:On August 11 2012 04:29 iNcontroL wrote:
what happened between him and desrow? He mentioned it in the reddit thread but I heard nothing of this.. all I knew was desrow flew in to coach him some. This is basicly what happened Maximus offered me to go over to his house for 7 days and coach him. It was a great opportunity/event to promote myself and promote himself. He offered me 500$ and paid airfare and food which was 500$. On top of that, he gave me a 70$ microphone as a gift. Maximus made around 850$ off ad revenue and 4000$ off donations minus 1070 for aifare/salary/microphone. Once I got back, I talked with a few really close friends who work in e-sports for notable organisations and asked them their opinion of the whole affair. Most of them were shocked/surprised that he wasn't giving me more than that. I asked Maximus a week later if he thought I deserved more than what he gave me. He started flipping out and being agressive and calling me out for things that never seemed to be an issue while I was over there. Most of the jokes I made were to entertain sort of like 2GD. He kept claiming that he lost potential revenue from his youtube channel when he already had pre-recorded content for every channel. After he flipped out, I realize this wasn't going anywhere. Until I heard that CSN wanted to hire him. Being a acquaintance of John Clark, I thought it was only fair to inform him of how Maximus was behind the scene. After CSN telling Maximus what I told them, he realize that this whole story could get out and that his persona would be compromised. He then agreed to pay an extra 300$ out of spite. In the context of the scenario you are describing, asking someone for more money later on is an awkward way of doing business, as it was not part of the original deal. Sure it would have been a cool thing for Maximus to do; but he is not obligated too. If you were happy enough to accept the original offer, then pressuring someone for more money implies your mind is geared towards improving your current financial state; as opposed to recognizing that there was a flaw in your original negotiations, and introspecting as to how you could avoid such an outcome by objectively improving this aspect of your life. It seemed like you used the opinions of others to gain the confidence to justify/actuate such a non-progressive internal desire. As you are describing, the deal you agreed to did not include a parameter which scaled based on the revenue of Maximus' stream. I feel like you should calm down; I don't know exactly how Maximus reacted to the situation because your description is the only context... Since you claim he was being aggressive I assume that spawned from a defensive reaction that someone might have after being done with a week-long project, and feeling like they had already facilitated their end of the deal. I don't really know either of you; but I hope everyone calms down.
It sounds more to me like desrow isn't that experienced a businessman and got swindled, and then clumsily tried to get a fair cut. Is MaximusBlack legally in the right? Of course, but it isn't very classy move by MB nonetheless.
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whoa i never realized any of this ever happened :/
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